| Author | Message | ||
     Andros |
Here is teh old thread: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/445978.html Does a new cluster fix this issue or what is the consensus, since the old thread ended up in a fist fight? Please someone state what will fix this issue. | ||
| Chevycummins |
Fixed mine so far. | ||
| Andros |
How? | ||
| Andros |
Anyone | ||
| Redscuell |
Sorry, Andros, I don't know the fix AND I'm having a problem with my fuel light. Given that there's no gauge, I'd be wanting the light to be reliable. I have what I believe to be the latest '12Z flash (Dec 08) and continue to have the light come on whenever it likes; this past time at 17 L, which is perfect (3 L reserve, total 21); but the time before that it came on at 14 L. 2 weeks ago the dealer treated the code as "historic" but the engine light / error code have continued to appear. | ||
| Dirty_john |
My 09 model year 1125R delivered in Nov 2008 had this issue last winter and performed tests in line with the diagnostics manual and provided a formal report which my local dealer sent to Buell UK,the bike had the latest flash and with the OEM IC cluster and still had this problem with very cold fuel in the winter, will need to wait until the next winter to see if the issue reappears, I hope it doesn't because minor issues like this over shadow what a great bike the 1125R is. Will also have to see if the IC condensation reoccurs and as yet I haven't got the clutch fluid weep (rev B cover). Since the IC cannot be reflashed I fail to see how reflashing the ECM assist. | ||
| Andros |
so all this talk about replacing the cluster if earlier than v6.1 will fix the issue is not true? | ||
| Chevycummins |
The last cluster I got seems to be working ok but it has not been that cold lately. | ||
| Andros |
Dirty john and redrescue what version cluster do you have? | ||
| Zac4mac |
Red - you're in "the dead of Winter" now right? Loretta has an 09 IC and she did it to me all last Winter, here. I went a month or two without seeing it, then last week it set again. Mostly I would see it when at or below freezing at start-up. The problem is that the ECM is looking for a voltage range from the fuel sensor - We get an Error(b1005) Code and fuel light when that voltage is outside that range - too cold. So far, I've just lived with it... Z | ||
| Andros |
Its summer here in Denmark and i still get this issue all the time! Dirty john and redrescue what version cluster do you have???? | ||
| Andros |
Question is > will 6.1 cluster fix the issue? | ||
| Ekruizenga |
Answer is NO, I have 6.1 and I still get it about once a month when I have a full tank or near full tank. The light will come on when I start the bike, throw the code, and it takes about 5 minutes before the light goes away. I don't think it is a cluster issue, but a sensor issue. | ||
| Dirty_john |
I have cluster type 6.1 from new and still had the low fuel/CEL issue, have to wait until this winter to see if there is still a problem | ||
| Xl1200r |
Last I knew this was a sensor issue, not a cluster. The cluster is only conveying the info it gets from the sensor. My '09 did this two or three times in the very beginning of the riding season - like others, it had to be real cold, and the light would go out after a couple minutes if it didn't really mean to come on. In the meantime, just use one of your trip meters as a fuel guage. Reset it everytime you gas up (this is a habbit of mine anyways, so it wasn't somthing new to do). If the light comes at 60 miles, it's a flase reading. If it comes on at 150 miles, you probably need gas - and it's a flase reading, you may as well just fill up anyways. | ||
| Redscuell |
I have an 09 with the accompanying cluster; indeed it's the 'dead of winter' here, but that means no lower than zero Celsius (32 F) at sea level, which is where I live/commute/work. I will say it didn't happen during the first months I owned it, which were summer and fall here (both quite warm). Yes, it's the b 1005 code I'm getting. Thanks for the comments, I never would've made the connection between temps and the light or the code. I don't much like having to rely on the trip meter, because that's what I relied on with my (now sold) 1983 Honda that had a broken fuel gauge, and I thought I'd get something better with a brand-new Yank bike! | ||
| Zac4mac |
If it's any consolation, Red, my fuel light has always come on with ~0.7 gal in the tank. I'm at 181 miles and no light yet. Most of this tank was run on the freeway at 80 mph. Z | ||
| Dirty_john |
its quite simple - the system should work, its what I paid for and if the CEL/LFL events occur again during the next winter then it will have to be sorted out under warranty, as will the IC condensation if that reoccurs - I sincerely hope it doesn't. My 09 1125R is the best bike I have owned in 35 years but I will not accept anything less than 100% correct operation, I inspect the clutch cover after every ride, I hope that doesn't become an issue as well. | ||
| Andros |
my dealer have no clue how to fix it. They say it doesnt give any error codes. can that be true? | ||
| Doerman |
The upgrade to V6.1 cluster fixes the battery drain in 08 models under the condition where the owner had cycled through diagnostic mode and exited without turning the ignition back on and off again. V6.1, to the best of my understanding, does not affect the incorrect operation of a LF. The IC only takes input from the sensor, which is the culprit in the erroneous LF indication. | ||
| Andros |
Is it the fuel sensor thats bad then? | ||
| Doerman |
There is a known problem with the fuel sensor that in cold ambient temperatures it may not produce enough voltage differential to give an accurate reading. That is a design flaw apparently and only occurs in sub freezing temperatures. That should not be the case in the summer time. So in your case the first suspect here is the sensor itself. | ||
| Ekruizenga |
Have to disagree about the sub freezing temps, Got this bike in May and it hasn't seen a day below 50 and I still get the error code about once a month. For the most recent error code, the temps were in the 80's. | ||
| Doerman |
You and Anders are in the same situation and might need a new sensor. Still does not alter the fact that there is a know limitation in the design for temps under freezing or thereabouts. My "facts" are from my memory of a thread from about 7 or 8 months ago. | ||
| Dirty_john |
yep apart from changing the sensor there is no fix,there may be a revised sensor to overcome the problem, the 2010 IC cannot be used on the pre 2010 models so we may be stuck with this. | ||
| Andros |
I'll try to get the sensor replaced, ASAP. Can someone give me the exact name of the part that needs replacing? | ||
| Ekruizenga |
I am extremely happy with how the bike is running right now, the sensor is intermitent and not that big of a deal as I use the trip counter anyway. Yes I do want my bike to be perfect, but: I would rather be riding rather than having my bike in the shop for a couple of weeks to have this taken care of, maybe this winter. | ||
| Dirty_john |
the fuel pump and sensor assembly is one unit, | ||
| Dirty_john |
which is also a pig to get to, if you have read the manual. | ||
| Andros |
Thank you all so much and yeah, i want my bike to be flawlessly perfect as well. Hell, that's why i dont ride Ducatis anymore. I'll post my results when my dealer gets a new pump. | ||
| Zac4mac |
Either the IC or the ECM has, in its program, a range of voltages from the sensor that are "in or out of spec". Below 40 *F, the sensor output is out of spec. I believe the spec is 800-1400 ohms, at 40 *F I measured 2200 ohms. In the Winter, I would get the b1005 error every time I started. The easiest solution would be in that program, extend the range to include readings from a colder thermistor. Harder to fix the problem with a new sensor. Zack | ||
| Dirty_john |
Zac4mac - exactly the same issue I had, with 2500 ohms with the air down at the same temperature as you have mentioned. |
