| Author | Message | ||
     Fresnobuell |
Jon-- get you facts straight or a LITTLE research before you drop your 2 cents (admittedly you do little reading, so you must be ready to catch some heat.) The 1125RR will have Big Piston Fork with Racing internals, along with a trick rear shock with separate reservoir. It also has magnesium wheels and a much beefier ZTL2 front brake. COnsidering that the Buell DSB 1125r REPORTEDLY puts down 150 RWHP without cracking the cases, we can hope to expect a 1125RR with competitive power in the Superbike class. BTW, the Buell is limited to 1125cc due to the homolgation rules. You think people are up in arms now, just think if BMC bored this Superbike out to 1200cc. Maybe next year...! | ||
| Reepicheep |
The fact that they kept the bike to 1125 cc's suggests to me that they felt like 1200 would be "too risky" relative to future rule changes. I suspect they will be able to compete at 1125 just fine. The Helicon engine (the valve train in particular) is about as advanced as they get, and certainly superior to the inline four chain driven spring loaded DOHC's. Higbee seems to be doing very well amongst the privateers with a bike much inferior to the 1125RR. I'm looking forward to what a company / privateer partnership can do. Kudos to DMG and Buell for making me want to watch motorcycle racing again. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
And even the haters will be watching to root against the Buell...a little controversy usually helps ratings. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Fresnobuell Posted on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 07:45 pm: And even the haters will be watching to root against the Buell...a little controversy usually helps ratings. just like they used to say about Howard Stern. Fans listened to hear what he would do, people who hated him listened to hear what he'd do next. | ||
| Skntpig |
I can't wait. I love the new bike. You folks understand the term "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday" right. It's my guess that this isn't a cheater bike at all and that you will find something very similar on your dealer floor soon. Of course it will be minus the trick parts just like the Honda you buy is quite a bit different from the factory racers. Haters stop hating and save your money...go get you one in a few weeks. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Its way cool in person!! They wouldn't let my take any pic's.....bummer But it is SAAAAWEEET! | ||
| Dobieg2002 |
Wolf, How the h@ll did you see it? | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I walked into their garage at Mid Ohio... and said "Is that the new 1125RR" and they said "Why yes it is" and I said "Need someone to do some warm up laps for you?" and they said "Get in line" I can't believe they passed on the chance to have the rider of Wolf's Ridge, a COBRA Member, a Buell Owner and a Member of Badweb ride that there bike for them!?!? | ||
| Cyclonedon |
"Need someone to do some warm up laps for you?" and they said "Get in line" how long was the line? It might have been worth the wait!  | ||
| Blake |
>>>Right now the current 1125 puts out about 120 rwp. Huh? What is that, the lowest ever Superflow dyno (10 to 15% lower than Dynojet) result ever reported online? Might want to at least average that with the highest. | ||
| Blake |
So now we have folks crying foul because the new Buell prepared 1125RR superbike racing machine cannot be made street legal? Which is the case so as to avoid legal/EPA issues and to help ensure that the bikes end up on the track and actually racing as intended. If any of the big factory teams decided to produce and sell to the public their race prepped superbikes, they too would absolutely be obliged to refer to them as "race only", just like Buell has. The same is true for ANYONE who intends to sell racing machines in quantity to the public. It wouldn't matter if the bikes started life as electric scooters. If you sell them in a form that is not legal for street use, then they must be clarly identified as such. That some seem to view the issue from such an irrational and bwelderingly narrow point of view truly defies reason. | ||
| Bikejunky |
Blake +1 The hubbub about the RR designation is completely unfounded. I completely agree with If any of the big factory teams decided to produce and sell to the public their race prepped superbikes, they too would absolutely be obliged to refer to them as "race only", just like Buell has. The same is true for ANYONE who intends to sell racing machines in quantity to the public. It wouldn't matter if the bikes started life as electric scooters. If you sell them in a form that is not legal for street use, then they must be clarly identified as such. Buell is clearly trying to help the privateer racers be competitive in class that is dominated by riders with factory support. Nothing more, nothing less. Personally I applaud Buell's efforts to support racing! Now if there was just a place to race near enough for me to try it out. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
Who would have ever thought adding one little "R" to an 112R would cause so much controversy... | ||
| Americanmadexb |
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| Svh |
Poorly worded press release is what caused the controversy not the extra R Hope it does well this weekend | ||
| Smoke |
Blake, we are in agreement on this issue. if the race organization accepts and approves a bike for a racing class does that not mean that the bike is now legal for that class in that racing organization. 1125RR IS LEGAL FOR AMERICAN SUPERBIKE AS PER DMG!!! CASE CLOSED!! GOOD LUCK BUELL RACERS!! tim ps-i think DMG is going to welcome the other manufacturers to provide race only versions to all AMA race license holders based on the street bikes already homologated! | ||
| Fast1075 |
I would like to thank those who speak with the voice of reason.  The ones that don't get it...read a rulebook and look at the competetition's bikes..it's easy to see who are racers or have been racers...that is all. (Message edited by fast1075 on July 17, 2009) | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
So, what's so RR about this bike over an 1125? | ||
| Hexangler |
Chain drive! | ||
| Greenlantern |
It's got Moxie! | ||
| Greenlantern |
It CAN core a apple! | ||
| Hexangler |
And a full fairing, stock! | ||
| Hexangler |
I can split an apple with my bare hands! | ||
| Greenlantern |
But you can't believe it's not butter! | ||
| Bott |
the bodywork was produced by the folks who brought you the Sham-Wow | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Everyone is missing what the 1125rr has on the pods....... BOLD NEW GRAPHICS!!!! (Message edited by badlionsfan on July 17, 2009) | ||
| Hughlysses |
I knew they were cheating. The rules don't allow BNG!  | ||
| Liquorwhere |
>>>The debate rages on, and this time there is an email link to send in your comments, below is the article and some emails that were sent in and of course the link if you wish to chime in yourselves.... Buell 1125R: Your Opinion? by dean adams Thursday, July 16, 2009 The Buell 1125RR being accepted into the American Superbike class seems to be the hot-button issue of the week. We've asked DMG for comment on this, and also asked for assistance in finding any kind of "magic phrase" in the DMG AMA Roadrace rulebook that would make the 1125RR legal, after the verbiage and definitions clearly spelled out in the rule book seem to indicate it is illegal. We understand that SuperBikePlanet.com "is dead" to DMG now because of our postings. We asked the AMA's PR spokesperson Pete ter Horst for help in finding this magic phrase in the current rulebook. He was unable to comment. What is your opinion on this matter? Are we interpreting the rules incorrectly? Send us an e-mail and we'll publish your opinion. We'll publish as many as possible starting today and go throughout the Mid-Ohio weekend. Send your opinion on the Buell 1125RR being homologated in American Superbike here, and please include your name and city in the body of the e-mail. Email that we have received thus far indicates that details that we have missed in filing our Buell 1125RR stories are that Buell is an American manufacturer and is trying to "help out" privateers by making a bike that is race ready, and not as illegal as the Superbikes as ridden by Mat Mladin, Josh Hayes, Tommy Hayden and Ben Bostrom. Also, we've been informed in these e-mail messages that the Buell should be allowed to skirt the rules because Buell is an American manufacturer, employing over two hundred American workers. We'd just like to mention at this point that the literally thousands of people who work for American Honda, Yamaha US, American Suzuki and Kawasaki USA must have the most serious bitch of a commute in the history of commutes when they fly in from Japan every day. Reader mail: Of course it's within the rules. Just ask the people who make and police the rules. I'm sure this bike is really a road legal, easily obtained through your local dealer, production motorcycle, just like the Foggy Petronas was in World Superbike. Cheers Pat Jeal ***************** I read your story.....now the question is are you going to show your journalistic integrity by demanding an answer from AMA for being the hypocrites they appear to be. Terry Enzweiler (Editors note: DMG will not respond to our request for clarification. If they do we will publish it here.) *********** Is it me or does the actual displacement of the Buell 1125RR work out to 1.432215 liters? I think I calculated that right. DMG run racing gets stranger and stranger. Love the site, keep it going. Brian P. Honaker ****************** The 1125RR is homologated via the production 1125r model currently approved for BOTH DSB and Superbike. Do you bright sparks believe you can buy ANY of the bikes on the DSB or Superbike grid at your local dealer? The answer is NO. Those production bikes are made race worthy via special parts provided by the factory or aftermarket. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 1125RR AND ANY OF THE OTHER BIKES ON THE GRID IS THAT BUELL MOTOR COMPANY IS DOING THE INSTALLATION OF THE TRICK RACE PARTS INSTEAD OF HANDING THEM ALL IN THE BOX TO THE RACE TEAM(S). ALSO, THE BIKE IS LEGAL PER THE AMA SUPERBIKE RULES AND BASED ON THE PRODUCTION 1125R--WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM NOW? A much bigger problem is the factory Japanese teams STILL holding the unobtanium parts for the factory teams. Why don't you focus on that REAL problem? At least Buell has the balls and foresight to provide a level playing field for ALL privateers that want to play. Lastly, your website is a pathetic joke. It should be called super_squid_planet.com as that seems to be the ignorant type that are drawn to it. Why don't you take a look at roadracingworld.com to see a real, professional road racing news website? horvathh@sbcglobal.net *********************** To whom it may concern: In looking at the site for Superbikeplanet today, after being referred to it by a friend of mine, I immediately realized why I had never visited this site before. In short, 3 links show an incredible lack of intellectual honesty & journalistic integrity. I am referring of course to these: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/getVote.jsp?pn=uni0 716 http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jul/090715e.ht m http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jul/090715d.ht m Do the editor(s)/owner(s) of this site truly believe an American company employing ~200 people, of which 9 people constitute the Race department have the wherewithal to "break the rules" as is attempting to be portrayed? To anyone with half a brain and two (2) working eyes, it would appear that Buell is offering a race prepared 1125R, that will only be sold to licensed racers. The designation being given to this machine is 1125RR. It appears to be a normal 1125R that has had all of the Buell Race equipment already fitted. Any licensed racer can purchase the machine. Please explain to me how this is any different than someone attempting to purchase a 1098RF08? Both are factory prepared race bikes. Both do not meet EPA standards. Both are based off of street legal production models. Shouldn't the real "fury" attempting to be placed against Buell & DMG be levelled against Corse/HRC/Yosh/Graves? Stop to think for a minute that Buell is willing to sell their RACE ONLY equipment to ANY racer who wants to buy it. I'd be interested to hear what Michael Jordan would think of that arrangement in regards to Suzuki. There has been no change to throttles (61mm dual downdraft). There has been no change to bore (4.055"). There has been no change to stroke (2.658"). So please tell me what the difference is between this Helicon motor vs. an 1125R Helicon motor that violates the AMA/DMG Superbike rules? I submit there are none. This is at best faux outrage over a company that is trying to level the playing field for all racers. I would think a site that is purportedly attemtping to educate & advocate on behalf of riders & racers would "get it". It appears I was woefully mistaken. Please rest assured I will neither visit, support nor recommend Superbikeplanet.com to any riders/racers I converse with. Regards, Phil Lee Editor's reply: Larry Pegram does not race a Ducati 1098F08 in American Superbike and nor do I believe that it is homologated for the class. Pegram races Ducati 1098R models, which are homologated, with F08 parts he presumably obtained and installed. Also, earlier in the season, Pegram was racing motorcycles which featured VIN or EPA tags on the frame, indicating to me that they start life as Ducati streetbikes. The AMA/DMG rule book plainly states that motorcycles in American Superbike must be street legal. ************** I think you should write a serious editorial about what DMG and the Buell entry are doing to American 2 wheel racing. I would love to see it and I am sure the readers would too. It is unreal that Buell can enter a prototype race machine they don't sell to the public. If they want to play those games go enter MotoGP and fail. If Harley Davidson, I mean Buell can't compete with the rest of the world then f**k them. Rant over, please write it! Matthew Elkins ******************* For starters, congratulations on finally getting your senator sat in the US Congress. Now you got two, just like the rest of us. :-) And secondly, WTF with DMG and Buell. They ain't even trying to make it look fair. Since I've been back in the midwest, it really pains me not to go to Mid-Ohio which (just like Road America) was a race I went to each year. But there is no way in hell I'm gonna be giving one thin dime to these guys. And just as an aside, it would be cheaper for a privateer to buy a stock Suzuki GSXR-1000 (you know, the bike that's WINNING the Superbike races) and taking off the street gear and doing the DMG legal mods to it, than spending $39,999.00 on a Harley Davidson wrapped in Buell clothing. I am still convinced that DMG thinks their actions are going to draw the NASCAR crowd, but it just ain't gonna happen. NASCAR is popular because parents can bring their kids to it and everyone can yell and cheer the good old boys, and that's fine. But there ain't no way in hell that large numbers of parents are going to bring their kids to motorcycle roadracing. Because the majority of parents, unlike you and me, don't want their kids ever to ride street motorcycles. I think some feel different about dirt bikes. But roadracing is never going to have the draw of NASCAR. And in trying to do that, DMG has completely alienated the true motorcycle roadracing fans. There will never be that many of us, but without us, DMG/AMA has nothing. It's a shame that by the time they finally realize this, it will probably be too late. -Tim Carroll ps. You think Buell supplied DMG/AMA with these part before June 18 2009, which is also require by the rules?  Being that the motorcycle's existence was just announced today, I tend to doubt it. Sample Parts and Information The following items must be supplied to AMA Pro Racing by the manufacturer / distributor for technical identification purposes. The manufacturer / distributor is required to make all efforts possible to deliver the parts and information to the AMA Pro Racing office no later than 30 days prior to the first event that the new model will compete in. If the parts and in-formation have not been delivered to the AMA Pro Racing office by the first event that the new model will compete in, the motorcycle used in competition may be impounded until they are available. 1. Fuel injection throttle body (complete, for at least one cylinder) 2. Crankcase 3. Crankshaft 4. Piston 5. Connecting rod 6. Transmission (Gears and shafts) 7. Cylinder head (Front and rear for V-twin or V-4) 8. Intake and exhaust cam (Multi cylinder only) 9. Set of valves for one cylinder (Multi cylinder only) 10. Main frame One complete motorcycle with production VIN can be substituted in place of the above parts. 11. Fully dimensioned drawings (same as FIM) with production tolerances for the following: Main frame Throttle body Crankcase Crankshaft Cylinder head Camshafts Fuel tank Fairing and bodywork ******************* I've been visiting your site for years. Some of your content I enjoy some I don't. My question is: why does your recent post headings about the buell eligibility have maybe a hint of an acid tone? And possibly want to stir up conjecture? Granted there are some problems with the rules, noted. Maybe just stating the facts would be sufficient. Just reporting it. What I am getting at: it's an amercian motorcycle manufacture. Employing people in the u.s. There's amercians building those bikes. Not someone in another country. Right now in this country peoples jobs are being eliminated everyday to someone in another country. Our economy is a mess and it's hurting the average honest working man. This is just constructive criticism. Please don't take it as an attack. Or trying to bash you, I'll still visit your site everyday. Maybe I read too much into what's written. Ben Fox foxperformanceengines.com **************** I have to disagree with you regarding the legality of the 1125rr. To me this is the equivalent of the S1 from Kawasaki ( yeah I know my long teeth are showing ), which was also not technically street legal but was built from a street legal base by the factory. I have not read the rules it is possible that ready made superbikes are not allowed, but I don't see how that would work. Regarding calling the machine a Gatling gun at a fist fight. All I can really say is that so far the -R has shown itself to be astoundingly feeble in the gibberish class it runs in. If I was running in superbike I would not be concerned. Eric Buell seems to be following in the footsteps of "all" the other "revolutionary" roadracing designs throughout history. Failure. The only exception I can think of would be the brilliant Britten. Motor cycle racing seems to be constrained to evolution. Edward H. Gray *************** The Buell will get smoked. Did Erik the B invest heavily in DMG stock or something? His "American" bike with Austrian motor, Japanese suspension etc. will not do well in "American" Superbike. Why not just bring back the the HD Twins class? That way those sh*tboxes can race together and feel competitive. If I ran Yamaha, Suzuki etc racing programs, I'd say, "see ya", this series is a joke. Mark Crosby ****************** ENDS http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jul/090716read ermail.htm | ||
| P_squared |
I'm "published" now.  I already responded back to the "Editor's reply" as well. I'm breathlessly waiting for them to tell me exactly where I can go into a showroom and buy an EXACT copy of Mladin's/Bostrom's/Hodgson's/Peggram's bikes and ride it legally on the road. For some reason, I don't think I'll get a response.  | ||
| Spike |
Can you cite the section of the 2009 AMA Superbike rules that states they must sell the exact bike with modified parts to the public for street use? These threads would be a lot more productive if we could cut back on the red herrings. |
