| Author | Message | ||
     Bads1 |
Court, Can I go out on a limb here to say that Taylor Knapp may ride in Superbike next year with a Geico sponsorship in Superbike?? He's probably fastest Privateer out there right now in the class and hes doing it on a Gixxer at the present. Looking forward to seeing this. (Message edited by bads1 on July 15, 2009) | ||
| Svh |
There are many spots in the AMA/DMG rules where it is stated that the bike must be based on a street legal motorcycle. I am all for Buell racing but they are not doing themselves many favors by getting what seems preferential treatment. I hope it gets clarified and reworded to make it be a modified 1125R street bike not a whole different motorcycle. If they are taking 1125R's off the line and modding them then selling them that would clear the AMA rules but that has not been said. Even Suzuki did that when they switched to the 2009's they sold the old bikes with them being listed as race only and ready to go for AMA racing. I think because of the wording of the release that people are thinking Buell is getting a pass on the rules hopefully that gets cleared up soon. | ||
| Daves |
Go Buell Racing! | ||
| Hootowl |
"No, it doesnt but it does improve the power to weight ratio." True. However, the remark was made in the context of Danny using a stock engine, and not testing Superbike parts on his Daytona spec bike. My point was that non-engine parts do not affect the engine. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
I would imagine that AMA/DMG would love to promote a series, if you call what they do promotion, that features American bikes stacking up against the best in the world. I have always held the view that this bike should run with the big boys, period. However, the Motor company has a history of putting out "race ready" bikes that are not street legal, aka the Destroyer, and while it looked cool, sounded cool, I didn't see any at the dragstrip around here, and we have some pretty large events in these parts for that....I digress...the point being is that ALL of the bikes in Superbike are supposed to come from street legal machines that are converted, same as WSBK, if DMG allows it, they allow it, but it would further serve to piss off the other manufacturers so that they leave and start a series with MIC, so I applaud this, especially if a new American series with a proper promotion strategy is born that will welcome ALL manufacturers to participate in an equal footing, and not be some weak step child of NASCAR on two wheels, the idea sucks, and their series sucks, so go Buell, I hope they win. (Message edited by liquorwhere on July 15, 2009) | ||
| Fast1075 |
In order for the bike to be legal, it must be within the confines of the rules...the RR is within the confines of the rules. It is based on the R with modifications allowed by the rules...it has been scrutinized, eyeballed, and checked in every way possible...it would not be allowed otherwise... On the point of how much it costs...well..they are not trying build a cheap bike...they are trying to build a winning race bike...R&D and custom component parts runs are expensive... I'm glad BMC has stepped up to the plate to deliver a fully modern, potentially competitive superbike....and if the yamahonzukiducpriliaktmblahblah people can't hang with it...then THEY need to step up. And finally, not even related to this topic, but brought up by Liquorwhere..."destroyer"...there is a new unsold one at my local Harley dealership...they were a weak attempt by the mothership to capitalize on the fame brought forth by the NHRA "Harley" dragbikes..but poorly thought out, poorly executed and sorely underpowered imitation of a real dragbike. (Message edited by fast1075 on July 15, 2009) | ||
| Liquorwhere |
>>>More write ups on the news of the day..... Buell 1125RR & American Superbike Rule Book Seem At Odds by dean adams Wednesday, July 15, 2009 Anyone who knows me will tell you that I'm the first to admit that I don't know everything about racing. And that I am assuredly by no means the brightest bulb in the light fixture. That said, even my frozen solid Minnesota brain finds a slight disconnect between DMG/AMA Pro Racing's rule book, and the Buell 1125RR being legal for the American Superbike class. This from page ten (20 in the rulebook) of 59 in the AMA Pro Racing 2009 rules, under the heading of Homologation: American Superbike motorcycles must be street certified in the US and available through US retail dealers. Then, Buell PR on the Buell 1125RR: Buell Motorcycle Company today introduced the 1125RR, a race-use only motorcycle intended for competition in the AMA Pro Racing American Superbike class. This is from the version of the rulebook that I just downloaded in PDF form on the DMG/AMA Pro Racing web site. You can view a copy by clicking here. And, from the DMG AMA Pro Racing application form required to enter a bike in the American Superbike class: (download) AMA Pro American Superbike motorcycles must be street certified for use in the United States and be available at the time of competition from U.S. retail dealers. There must be sufficient quantity available such that any person wanting to buy one for racing purposes can do so in a timely fashion. ... Importation must be completed by June 1st of the current season. Also from that application: Also, it is requested, but not required, that each manufacturer has available one additional street version of the homologated model for display and marketing purposes at each event. And ...The motorcycle must be a 4-stroke production model with street-use certification in the United States. Ducati USA's PR man, John Canton, confirmed, for those wondering, that the Ducati 1098R, which is the base for Larry Pegram's Superbike, and is on DMG/AMA's list of approved motorcycles, is street legal from the factory and comes with, you know, headlights and stuff. >>> And the link.... http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jul/090715e.ht m | ||
| Liquorwhere |
And finally, not even related to this topic, but brought up by Liquorwhere..."destroyer"...there is a new unsold one at my local Harley dealership...they were a weak attempt by the mothership to capitalize on the fame brought forth by the NHRA "Harley" dragbikes..but poorly thought out, poorly executed and sorely underpowered imitation of a real dragbike. I would beg to differ on it being unrelated, similar to the XBRR, and although I still think the XBRR was a pretty cool bike, it wasn't street legal either, the point being that HD, the parent company, IMHO is unable to square the idea in their heads of having a really fast bike, properly geared, and available to the general public...and these are examples, I believe it has to do with warranty and liability....but I am sure there is much more to it...like the 1:1 5 or 6 speed transmissions in their products, no true overdrives..why is that?????I am quite sure there are more than just me that would like their X1 or XB to have a proper 6 speed, and I don't mean some aftermarket $3500 system, one from the factory..geared properly to make the higher speeds or highway riding a bit nicer....that is why I brought it up because it is relevant to this release....if Aprilia can put out a bike over 200 HP and govern it to 186 as all manufacturer's do, then what is the problem?? The 1125R can be tuned for performance yes..but a stock GSXR can deliver much more performance as is....why does the parent company put up the barriers?? Why keep it below what it is truly capable of and then make one that is truly a sweet bike and not make it street legal?? It is maddening....I am sure there are good reasons, but I couldn't think of any off the top of my head...I am sure Court knows...we must all remember to remind him to tell us sometime..... And looking at the picture that bike is sweet...so let it be legal to ride on the street...I don't get that part.... (Message edited by liquorwhere on July 15, 2009) (Message edited by liquorwhere on July 15, 2009) | ||
| Teddagreek |
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| M1combat |
"That exhaust placement reminds me of a Yamaha R6." I don't even know where to start with that... | ||
| Oddsc |
The logo is SWEET! I expect well see much more of it in a few weeks. Work of the new ad firm? | ||
| Bads1 |
Liquorwhere, Do you think Suzuki has parts on there race teams....Yosh Jordan and National Guard that any team riding a GSXR can have??? Well they can't. Jordans team just this year started getting more of the goodies. As far as Buell is concerned. They are producing a bike with in house parts that anyone can buy to compete at Superbike level at basically bargain price. Unlike owning a Suzuki you can't just go have special aftermarket engine internal's to build the motor to still not compete with the factory Suzuki teams. Buell gave you a bike that can. Its race only because it can't be put on the street meaning no doubt no VIN. If it had VIN someone could register it,put it on the street and Buell would be producing a bike that is not EPA legal. There doing the same thing just in another fashion. They have done nothing wrong here. | ||
| Danny_h__jesternut |
CHEATER BIKE.  And I thought DMG/AMA was silly before? This is  Cheaters! | ||
| Bads1 |
Cool another guy thats doesn't know what they are talking about.lol | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Please enlighten us to how that's a "Cheater" bike? | ||
| Ezblast |
"That exhaust placement reminds me of a Yamaha R6." M1 - allow me - They copied Buell - sheash - you must be new - lol EZ | ||
| Boltrider |
The Buell will win, people will be pissed, and I will enjoy it! | ||
| Dobieg2002 |
Remember Buell hasn't announced 2010 models Maybe a street legal version to meet the homologation requirements (Message edited by dobieg2002 on July 15, 2009) | ||
| Danny_h__jesternut |
You can sugar coat it. justify if any way you wish. Factory assembled race only,not street leagle, vs street leagle store bought superstock inlines. rules is rules Cheaters. | ||
| Hughlysses |
I'm sure it's not leagle. WTF is "leagle"? | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
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| Aeholton |
I don't have a problem with factory assembled race bikes in the Superbike class. However, folks are kidding themselves if they think Mladin's dominance is in anyway threatened. We won't see other manufacturers winning on a consistent basis until he is gone. | ||
| Bott |
is it like this? or abbreviation for a Large eagle? LoL  | ||
| Bads1 |
Danny sorry but the Jordan team and Factory Suzuki team are running parts only they have and no one else. Thats why Matt was running a 2008 model last years bike for the first 4 races. They were Ironing his bike as well as Haydens bikes out. While other privateers were running GSXR 1000's. Buell is offering to racers what Erion Honda which is close to factory as get's,and Suzuki.... to all racers not just there own racers. Its not cheating its in my book cool as hell. | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no racer, but Buell are just packaging this a different way. If you buy an 1125RR it is pretty much ready to race, as is? If you buy, for example, a Ducati 1098R, you still have some work required for race preparation? Ie emove road legal stuff like lights etc, change exhaust, all stuff which makes it no longer road legal. Kudos to Buell for stepping up to the plate. Hopefully we might see some in other Superbike championships, maybe even world superbike championship SBK. | ||
| Bads1 |
Yeah you can buy the 1098R from Duc. They call it the factory race bike. But it know way is like the WSB teams spec bikes in which it suppose to be mimicking. | ||
| Larryjohn |
Is it me or does the front rotor on that thing look a beefier than the stock 1125r (which is understandable) | ||
| Boltrider |
Is it me or does the front rotor on that thing look a beefier than the stock 1125r Yes the press release mentioned this | ||
| Glitch |
Anyone got a race license, I want that front fender. | ||
| Larryjohn |
Thanks, I'm a bit slow sometimes |
