| Author | Message | ||
     Endoman33 |
I have worked for the same dealer for almost 8 years. As long as I have worked for them we have carried both HD's and Buell's. For the first 4 years I worked in parts. The last 3and half in bike sales. Something I can not figure out is how dose HD, who owns Buell, sell their "race parts" under the name screaming eagle and just use a crossed flag logo to tell customers they will void your warranty. Nothing is said about EPA issuses. Now Buell who is owned by HD can not sell their "race parts" to the general public. the only people who can get them must have Race License by an approved list of racing organizations. Here is what I would like to know is how HD's Race tunner/or a single stage one,two,or three calibration can be bought for use on any HD bike out there in the public if a customer wants. Now me as a customer who would like to improve performance is not allowed because I don't have an approved race license. The 1125r has so much potential its a diservice to the customer not to be able to tune it. And yes I know about the California laws suit with power commander. I want a legatimate answer to this, not the usual HD non answer. Thanks, in advance for the info | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
Just my $0.02, but here's the difference. Harley's just look too cute when they're trying to go fast... Buell's actually are fast, and there is a limit as to what they can get away with WRT making them even faster. Seriously, tho, it probably has something to do with emissions. Air cooled v-twins are pretty clean, so they may have more latitude. For now. R R | ||
| Anakist |
Could it be that Harley "Performance parts" basically just make them louder? With no real increase in performance? James | ||
| Pizzaboy |
im going to go ahead and agree with the two above answers to your question. hopping up a harley bagger is a lot different than hopping up a 1125. throwing 2500 worth of "race parts" at your harley will only make your ears bleed, your eyes blinded at chrome overload and your butt more comfortable. throwing 2500 worth of "race parts" at your 1125 will make your knees tremble and your heart pound through your chest when you whack the throttle open. your performance potential of the aircooled v-twins doesnt match up in the same league as the rotax | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
My friend at work spent God knows how much on his sportster; SE exhaust, intake, ignition, and FI, basically everything you could bolt on. They even dyno tuned it to the whopping tune of 75hp, "the most the dyno guy had ever seen out of a sportser". | ||
| Jaimec |
I love the term "Harley Race Parts." Like the last time I saw a CVO Ultra lining up on the grid at a World Superbike event... | ||
| Zac4mac |
We've got one(FLHX) on display that ran 130 or 140 at Bonneville. They do well in drag races. XR750 dominated dirt ovals in the "old days". Harleys race. | ||
| P_squared |
Harleys race. That's a true statement. Could it be that 1 of the differences is that Harley sells 'race' parts, while buell sells RACE parts? Could it also be that Harely isn't worried about EPA troubles at this point with their 'race' parts, whereas Buell, a separate company under the HD umbrella, has seen the writing on the wall with RACE parts on the streets (e.g. PC in CA)? As for buying the Buell race parts, with the exception of the ECM & muffler, I'm pretty sure you can get the rest of it without a race license. I'm sure somone will correct me if I'm wrong. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
Harelys race, Buells win!! LOL Sorry... couldn't resist! And I am a Harley guy. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Don't forget EPA limits decibel levels in exhausts too- if it ain't stock it's against federal law. When they start enforcing these laws H-D dealers are going to be in a world of pain. Buell is ahead of the game. | ||
| Zac4mac |
We had a dyno shoot-out a couple of years ago. I took my Firebolt and Shovelhead in and played too. A VERY hopped up Dyna was there with NOX and a huge downdraft Dell'Orto. The button said "If you want to see Jesus, push this button" Z | ||
| Slaughter |
I believe the SE stuff all MUST MEET 50-state regulations - EPA and DOT. CA penalties are heavy but HD doesn't make "48-state" SE parts. | ||
| Guell |
I know the screaming eagle slip ons are just a tad bit louder. Mostly for people who want to have screaming eagle "race" parts on their bike. I know screaming eagle heads are just xb heads that have been decked for a little bit more compression. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Quit raggin' on HDs racing. They do, have since 1903, and have a good track record. Buell rave parts are just that - RACE parts. Screamin' Eagle aren't really race parts, and things have gotten MUCH milder in the last few years. In 2004 I got a set of screamin' eagle II pipes for my sportster that were pretty loud and definately illegal. The SE pipes you can buy now aren't anywhere near as loud, as harley has chosen to make sure they meet EPA rules in order to keep attention away from the mother ship. If the EPA has beef with loud Harley's, HD can tell them to go look at the aftermarket as they've been 'clean' for years now. That's the difference. | ||
| 1_mike |
God I love this... People quoting things that are missing...just a little info. NOX...what the hell is that? IF...you are referring to its chemical name... It's N20. The 2 should be just a little lower on the line..it means two. Sorry..just one of those days... Mike | ||
| Zac4mac |
It's hard, no, impossible to do super/sub script with an iPhone. I know a little about chemistry too. Z | ||
| Froggy |
The lower 2 is easy from my Windows phone... | ||
| Zac4mac |
I'm glad for you and your Windoze phone. I'll avoid confusion next time and just say Nitrous. Jeeeez | ||
| Marcodesade |
Having ridden Softails - both with and without SE Stage 1 kits - during my several warranty repairs over these past 6 months  I can tell you this: SE is somewhat faster, and a little louder, but not much. They do have something of a deeper note. The poster on the wall of the service department (yes, I have had plenty of time to read it) says they are street legal. | ||
| Gregtonn |
"NOX...what the hell is that? ...It's N20." Also known as Nitrous Oxide- or NOX. G | ||
| Slaughter |
NOX also refers to the nitrogen-compound POLLUTANTS that come off as by-products of combustion: oxides of nitrogen. Often written as NOx. There are about 6 different nitrogen compounds that come out the tailpipe. This is what is referred to as "photochemical SMOG" when reacted into the atmosphere. Those of us who use nasty chemies have to read this stuff. Laughing gas is just one. Nitric oxide (NO), nitrogen(II) oxide Nitrogen dioxide (NO2), nitrogen(IV) oxide Nitrous oxide (N2O), nitrogen (I) oxide Dinitrogen trioxide (N2O3), nitrogen(II,IV) oxide Dinitrogen tetroxide (N2O4), nitrogen(IV) oxide Dinitrogen pentoxide (N2O5), nitrogen(V) oxide | ||
| Gregtonn |
Personally if I were going to inject a nitrogen compound into a racing engine it would be CH3NO2 (Nitromethane) with a touch of CH5OH (ethanol) or CH3OH (methanol). If you ever get a chance to watch Nitro Harleys racing do it. It's a Hoot! G |
