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Duggram
Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 09:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bought some Pazzo shorty levers. After they arrived I saw a post that said they cause the front brakes to apply when turning almost to the lock in one direction. I can picture the possible highside! Anybody know anything about this?

If I get time this week I'd like to mount them, but not if they really do cause a problem.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 09:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How exactly would that happen?

I wouldn't worry about it. MANY here have been using Pazzo levers without incident.
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Mainstreamer
Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Have used Pazzo's on several bikes, never an issue. Perhaps the incident you report was caused by misrouted brake line. Go for you'll like them...
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Zac4mac
Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When you mount them, make sure they don't hit the fairing at full turn.
You'll never have your bars near there at speed tho, or you'd hi-side anyway.

Zack
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Crowley
Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 10:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've Pazzo shorty levers on my 1125R and they're fine. No where near catching on anything
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Duggram
Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here's the post I was referring to. They were enough of a problem that the user went back to stock levers. But thanks to your posts this now sounds like an isolated case.
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Pariah
Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you look at some MotoGP bikes, they have the long levers... good enough for me! : )

(Message edited by pariah on June 09, 2009)
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Duggram
Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't need the leverage of the long levers. I use the race brake pads which have a lot of stop to em. I only use the fore finger for the brakes. I'm interested in the shorter levers so they will be protected by the handlebars if there's ever going to be another low-side in my future.
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Pariah
Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 02:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What about using extra long handlebar end sliders? Or maybe you've already got those... Dark Horse Moto has them in two different sizes (short and long)...
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Jdugger
Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 07:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That was my post you were remembering and linked.

The Pazzo levers DO touch the fairing mounts on the 1125r when the steering is in a full-lock left turn.

Clearly during normal riding this is not an issue. But, in the garage, in a parking lot, etc., if you get to full lock AND your brakes are well blead, you will engage them ever so slightly at full lock. And, it can cause you to low speed drop the bike.

I moved away from the pazzo levers though because I do need the leverage of the longer levers. The short levers mean you are grabbing the grips more inside, and I like to grab them from the ends where there's more leverage. And, in track day applications, you will wear your hands out grabbing those short levers.

I'll post up a picture of my front rotor... it's *purple*. I do some serious braking at my track. I run the EBC 4HH race pads and like them a lot.
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Duggram
Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 07:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jdugger, thank you for the post and heads up. I'm going to try to get mine mounted this week and see what I can do with them.
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Haus
Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 09:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got mine back from the dealer this week from the brake line recall and when you turned full left the brake lever hit the mounts and started to apply the brake, it was because they had loosened the throttle side and rotated the controls up. Once i loosened the two screws and rotated the whole assembly down a little they did not touch at all. Just something to look for.
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Crowley
Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 01:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jdugger, your statement is incorrect. You may have mounted YOUR levers so they touch the fairing, mine do not. I have at least one inch of clearance and the lever is mounted in a comfortable position.
See the photo for proof, I can easily fit my whole hand between the lever and fairing with the bars on FULL L/H lock.
I have shorties on my track bike too.



(Message edited by crowley on June 10, 2009)
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Jersey_thunder
Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

pazzo a hazard?...to freaking funny
we have them on the race bike ..sold a few of them..NEVER A PROBLEM

JT
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

NOT a problem. I have the Pazzo shorties.
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Duggram
Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 07:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks. I got em on and could not see any interference.
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Jdugger
Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 09:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

> Jdugger, your statement is incorrect. You may have mounted YOUR levers so they touch the fairing, mine do not.
> I have at least one inch of clearance and the lever is mounted in a comfortable position.

The issue is not the fairing, it's the fairing "frame" -- the magnesium bit the plastic mounts to.

And, the issue isn't the extend of the lever, it's the "apex" near where you adjust the levers position.

That "apex" will touch the fairing stay at full lock if you have your lever rotation adjusted to the stock position (just a few degrees downward from horizontal.)

As stated, it's absolutely only an issue at very low speeds, like pushing the bike around the garage. I nearly dumped my 1125r when I was doing just that once and rotated the steering the full lock which slightly actuated the front brake when the apex of the lever hit the fairing frame.

I moved away from the Pazzos not because of this -- clearly it was never an issue at normal riding speeds -- but because I came to prefer a sandard, full-length lever.
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Marcodesade
Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 09:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wanna sell the shorties?
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Jdugger
Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 09:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

> Wanna sell the shorties?

I'd been keeping them around as spares for when I threw the track bike down... but, sure, I guess I could sell them.

Let me go look at them and make sure there's noting cosmetic wrong with them I need to disclose to you.

Make an offer.
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Crowley
Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 05:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would check that there's nothing wrong with your levers. No part of mine come anywhere near touching the fairing mount or anything else for that matter - and they're rotated down from the stock position a few degrees for my comfort. Looking at them again, they would have to be rotated to a virtually unusable position in either direction for them to contact anything they shouldn't!
Send them back to Pazzo, they're obviously not fit for purpose. Levers contacting anything they shouldn't (even at low speeds) is not acceptable and would contravene 'Construction and Use' vehicle legislation in the UK.
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Marcodesade
Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 12:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jdugger: PM sent.
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