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     Mainstreamer |
".......... I'm going for a ride now." Hope you'er feeling better now! "Then why hang out on a forum dedicated to the riders that have made that connection and love the 1125?" Because I can...... Still looking for the buzz, but instead only seem to get the bull. | ||
| Madav8tr |
"Because I can...... Still looking for the buzz, but instead only seem to get the bull." Ahh, the joys of trolling an unmoderated forum ehh? | ||
| Dragstang |
well said BLACK. i agree whole heartedly. whenever anyone asks about my xb12r. i am sure to tell them how fun it is,but also that it has 31000 miles and i ride to different states on a regular basis. just to throw the reliability thing in there. i love my bike. i want an 1125 r,cr,st version! randy | ||
| Brapbrapbrap |
I don't think people hang here to dis Buell or owners in particular. No one is calling someone's daughters ugly. All this information is out in the public. I think I see people that want to see an American company, the last American Motorcycle company do well. I do think a lot of negative the OWNERS report here could have be avoided by simple enforcement of some quality standards. Why is bad to expect a bike delivered today to not have items that were fixed six months ago? This is not an open forum and the most vocal people are predominately dealers, BMC. Why else would someone be told that what in any other world would be a high OTD price of $11,400 on a 08 be ok? Non sponsors can not discuss stuff available on the open market. So we have only one hope in manufacturing and basically only one place to talk about them. Maybe some people including my self try to push for a better product. Why this is considered negative blows me away and in some ways is symbolic of why American Manufacturing is leaving and in another reminds me of how we got to Iraq with this picking sides with us or against us mentality. No mechanical items are not perfect, yes all manufactures have problems. But some more than others. Its just frustrating to see what was an incredible opportunity to get the worlds attention the new after cooled buell get slapped around. First mistake was pushing it out the door on a arbitrary time line the 25th anniversary. If this bike was released today for the 26th anniversary when they would not die for the riding journalist we would be looking at things a lot differently. Everyone makes mistakes. I think many though the 09 model would fix the missing puzzle peaces of the 08, its much the same bike with issues being addressed as they come up. So that may be a bit of the frustration of people saying hey lets go, lets get this thing going. Now we look to see what 2010 produces. The more changes the better to disassociate the newest model from the 08's where every review now being ridden still uses that as a reference point. I think Buell deserves better. I think we the loyal customers have to be the driving force. Product styles/changes/modes increase sales as we seen in 08. So why cant we talk about what we can do better for the next model. Wether you believe it or not I love my Buell, I love the handling over many more expensive bikes, I love my belt drive, I love V-twins. The 1125 did not offer anything new but it does offer a world class engine slid into as many of the old parts as they could. Naturally the focus is on the engine. The XB bikes are renowned for being the best at so many things all it needed was an engine many said. When the implementation of a Rotax engine was botched (see thread title) it opened the doors as there was not much else left to talk about. If every Buell owner was honest and gave feedback to Buell it would not have taken 2 years and 5 flashes to get the engine to run where it is now. You have to expect it, and ask for it. Shame on the testers that let the bikes ship running that way. Shame on the owners for polishing over it allowing Buell to continue. Imagine what they could have done with all that information early on. That is why its important to speak openly honestly and without fear of reprisal or banishment. I think most everyone here Loves Buell, some think the way to support it is buy what ever they offer and never say another word. Some think the best way is to tell the emperor he has no clothes so we can get to the next level. | ||
| Madav8tr |
" Some think the best way is to tell the emperor he has no clothes so we can get to the next level." Yeah, statements like that mean more when the person saying it has actually experienced the problems 1st hand. Castigating the owners of 1125R's that are happy with their purchase is absolutely ridiculous and preposterous. As is your asinine belief that Buell wouldn't upgrade their product without negative feedback from it's customers. That basically shows your ignorance of Buell and how they operate. Buells is the most proactive company I have ever dealt with in regards to customer service. Buell may have released the 1125 before working out some of the kinks associated with a new platform but they are taking care of those customers that have problems. The rest of us are simply out enjoying our bikes. | ||
| Socoken |
Brap, I agree with you to a certain extent. I like the idea of 08s sitting on the dealer floors completely updated, and I like the idea of what we have now as an 09 model being the one the press would have first had their hands on. However, I do not see the 08 1125 as an old model with a new motor. Aside from a few cosmetic pieces, the 1125 was pretty much ALL NEW. There is only so much a company can learn with a few prototypes, so maybe they just needed to push the new bike out and get real-world feedback and improvements. As such, they have done an amazing job of updating and taking care of the growing pains. Sure, there are some bad dealers out there. These dealers give bad info, take WAY too long to upgrade bikes, know too little about the model itself, and even try to charge for free updates. These dealers are giving BMC more of a bad rep than the bikes themselves. Maybe we dont need the bike to be perfect out of the box. It would be nice, for sure, but if all the dealers were on the up and up, it wouldnt seem anywhere near as bad as someone might interpret from reading this board. | ||
| Brapbrapbrap |
That is one important measurement, but if you want growth I'm pretty sure most business people care if the perception of their product leaves doubt in past customer/potential customers minds. Its silly to say a company don't care what the non owners think. WTF, thats why were here to become owners. It's more than just fixing things problems. Showing reluctance demonstrates a water table of customer expectations. Some dont care if its under warrantee, some don't have time to go back. Its also quite possible there is room for some design enhancements also to sell more bikes. I'm glad there are people content and satisfied with their 1125's, otherwise the party would be over. | ||
| Brapbrapbrap |
I agree with you Socoken , that would take things a LONG way!  | ||
| Pariah |
Its silly to say a company don't care what the non owners think. WTF, thats why were here to become owners. Sure, so why don't you write Erik Buell and let him know what you think? That's a much better proposition than posting annoying mindless drivel here... | ||
| Doerman |
Shame on the owners for polishing over it allowing Buell to continue. What the f** kind of statement is that?!? The danger is in the eloquence in your writing. It may be misinterpreted by some as truth. It is your version of the truth and the real experience of real owners differ from your writing. Differs drastically. What I react to here is your inference that owners - like myself - and others that bought the product late 07 and early 08 whitewashed the issues and looked the other way. That is just plain wrong. Go to the archives and look for yourself. Owners worked with Buell through the dealerships in this period and continue to do so to improve the product. It wasn't a sacrifice to be an early owner. It was a pleasure to watch and experience the rapid progression and be the benefactor of Buell's work. Any other hyperbole is armchair QB work on your part. I really think you need to throttle back on this board, Brapbrapbrap and stick to things where you have personal knowledge. You have amply proven that the 1125 is not in that category. | ||
| Pariah |
Here I'll help you: "Dear Erik, My name is Brap^3. I don't think you're aware, but your water-cooled bike, the 1125R/CR, isn't perfect. This annoys me, as I am a stalwart champion of all things American, and know exactly what it takes to fix this country (I am running for President in '12)... but, I digress. Yeah, so, like, your bike sucks man! How could you let this happen?! Man, I am pissed. I am so pissed!! Please fix and reduce the price substantially so I can afford one. Yours Truly, Brap." (Message edited by pariah on June 04, 2009) | ||
| Ds_tiger |
when is the last time the guy who started this thread chimed in?  | ||
| Ruprecht |
I want to replace my SV1000 with another twin. I like the 1125 concept and read this forum almost daily. I want another V twin sportbike. After owning many Japanese motorcycles, I am accustomed to basically doing oil changes and tire replacement. The Japanese motorcycles rarely see the selling dealership after purchase because they are very reliable. To be fair Dave, the SV1000 was Suzuki's third model based on that engine platform. In order to reach the level of reliability and "refinement" that they achieved with the SV they had to make some compromises. They ditched their attempt at innovation (the rotary rear damper) and fixed the fueling issues by cutting it's balls off (less aggressive fueling and smaller port size). I'm in a similar boat to you, except that I have the original 1997 model TL1000S. I'd be very surprised if the 1125R (even the 2008 pre-flash) had rougher fueling and more issues than my TLS... even after the new ECU, ditching the rotary rear for an Ohlins unit and reinforcing the frame around the rear shock mount. To be honest I tried an SV1000 and found that, while it might be a little easier to live with, it was pretty much the TLS gone old and soft. Even with the issues I've faced with the TL (including a seized engine) I haven't had any regrets, and I rely on it for my daily transport. It's just that I'd like a little more... I think the 1125R fits the bill. | ||
| Dirty_john |
My 2006 XB12R was a great bike and on the strength of that bought an 09 1125R. Not many miles on the 1125R yet (under 1000) but it is a great bike, don't forget that BMW bikes had some terrible press over quality last year here in Europe and what about the frame recall/strengthening with the larger Suzukis? All complex machine designed and built by man has the possibility of errors in design and production - even such a well respected body an NASA has to design to a budget (space shuttle tiles anyone?). I have been riding bikes for 34 years and I can honestly say that both Buells I have owned make me want go out and ride. When you buy any motorbike it is like the start of a relationship with a new woman, treat either well and the rewards far outway the costs, ignore the needs of either and suffer. The perceived quality image of certain car/bike brands over here in the UK is laughed at. Enjoy the summer and join the real world | ||
| Id073897 |
My XB9 ('03) required parts and labor for app. $7000 (my own labor excluded) during the last four years to keep that "rock solid" crap running, starting with a oil pump gear failure at 10k and ending (so far) with a full blown engine overhaul at 25k last december, because of destroyed crankshaft bearings, apparently due to a hevaily misaligned crankshaft, which in sequence required almost all parts of the engine replaced. My XB12 ('04) is currently developing a knocking sound under load, which by the mileage (18k) will probably signify a pushrod big end failure, a commonly reported failure. The engine is stripped already and will be delivered to a trusted independend workshop in the next days. Both bikes were maintained at a certified Buell workshop and had a full service record, up to the first serious failure. Buell offered neither warranty nor good will, so all services turned out to be wasted money. Didn't prevent from failure at all. All they wanted was a repair order. It's just fair mentioning, that they are in good company, as this is exactly the same I experienced with other "l337" companies, e.g. BMW or Aprilia. The significant difference is, that my BMWs (had several from 1982 up to 2007) were limited to small failures, the Buells instead not. | ||
| Rfischer |
Tell us how the EFI fueling is on your BMW, eh...? No problems eh...? Runs like a champ, eh...? You are getting tiresome. | ||
| Id073897 |
Tell us how the EFI fueling is on your BMW, eh...? No problems eh...? Runs like a champ, eh...? Which controller type? BMS-K*, BMS-C*, MA2.4 or KMS-K16? You have to tell me before I can answer your question. I currently don't own any more bikes than the Buells. Had to sell them to be able to pay invoices for repairs. But if you are interested in it, I'm going to ask the new owner how the BMW does for him. Just drop me an e-mail, that I can put you on CC:. O, and you don't have to read my postings if they bore you. I really don't mind if you wouldn't. | ||
| Larryjohn |
I currently don't own any more bikes than the Buells. Had to sell them to be able to pay invoices for repairs. Why sell the good bikes to pay for and keep the "rock solid" crap running? Just curious. I know if I had something that was a piece of crap (your words not mine) I would dump it rather than pump money into it. I definitely would not get rid of the "better" bike. | ||
| Blazin_buell |
I can't believe this thread has gone on as long as it has. I was the the first one to have an engine die. I never posted a single negative thing about it. In fact I was so ecstatic about getting a new engine that I posted pics of the dissection and engine replacement. I was down a month and the majority of that time was just waiting on decisions and the engine to arrive. After a decade being a Bueller I wouldn't have traded my experiences for anything. | ||
| Xl1200r |
BMWs - minor failures only? HA! My neighbor had a 2007-or-so K-bike. One of the 163hp whatevers. Anyways, the thing was in the shop SO much (and during this time was currently in it, in pieces because it coudln't hold a tranny together), and there's no lemon law for bikes here, he just stopped paying on it. The bank called to repo it, and he gladly told them it was at the dealer in boxes. It's finally out of his life after the bank looked to collect, and he had his lawyer send a letter looking for money from THEM. They apparently just dropped it. Brap - I think I know what you're problem is. Your thought process isn't neccesarily wrong, but you seem to have this need to feel validated by posting your thoughts in EVERY GOD DAMNED SINGLE THREAD. We all get it - you're not find of the bike right now. Now move on. Oh, and comments like this: This is not an open forum and the most vocal people are predominately dealers, BMC. only reinforce how much BS you're spewing out. | ||
| Rfischer |
and Gunther clearly has an ax to grind. I think BMC put his pee-pee in a wringer over something. | ||
| Spectrum |
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| Id073897 |
Why sell the good bikes to pay for and keep the "rock solid" crap running? a) I like riding the Buell. b) I got much more money for the other bike than I would have got for the Buell. c) I was mistaken in the assumption that having it serviced by a registered Buell workshop would prevent me from those failures that occured later. d) I had to pay the invoices. What should I do with a bike currently standing in a workshop in your oppinion? | ||
| Black |
Id073897, I have a question for you. When I read your earlier post, I got the impression that you had had a catastrophic loss of lube oil casualty, and some shop just changed out the oil pump and sent you on your way vice opening and inspecting that engine, like they should have done. Is that what happened? Just wondering. | ||
| Id073897 |
My neighbor had a 2007-or-so K-bike. One of the 163hp whatevers. Anyways, the thing was in the shop SO much (and during this time was currently in it, in pieces because it coudln't hold a tranny together) Sorry to hear about your neighbours problems with his bike. He must indeed be a total moron to buy such a crappy bike. Especially after you warned him not to do so. (You did, didn't you?) He should have better bought MY Buells. How pleasant life would have been then! Premium quality and outstanding customer support. Just as I described. (Is it that you wanted to tell me?) I also apologize calling your neighbor an idiot. It is not my intent. | ||
| Brapbrapbrap |
xl1200 Brap - I think I know what you're problem is. Your thought process isn't neccesarily wrong, but you seem to have this need to feel validated by posting your thoughts in EVERY GOD DAMNED SINGLE THREAD. We all get it - you're not find of the bike right now. Now move on. Not even close there are probably 10 threads going on RIGHT NOW with roubled owners I'm not in any of those threads. Check this thread title and reread whats going on. One thread I read today where a guy has been without his bike for 5 weeks. Your not even close to getting reality or the point. You hate me so facts dont matter. | ||
| Spectrum |
Brap - I don't think any of us hate you. If I meet you face to face we would probably get a long fine and I'd certainly offer to buy you a beer. I think we are just getting tired of the repetitive same old opinions that you seem to post over and over. Just rearranging the words a little. | ||
| Brapbrapbrap |
Fair enough, Spectrum I'll try not to be so repetitive. I do get passionate and I do look forward to what the future has for Buell. | ||
| Ds_tiger |
I do get passionate and I do look forward to what the future has for Buell.  mee TOOOO!! | ||
| Blake |
Jon, Drawing conclusion based on one lone data point (your friend's bike) would not usually be considered statistically valid. There are plenty of 1125R/CR owners with similarly exceptional experiences wrt the reliability of their preferred machines. Brap-troll: This forum is not for you. Your incessant naysaying is harming this Buell enthusiasts' forum. You've been advised of this by highly valued members of our little community here, yet react indignantly with yet more trolling. Please find the integrity to voluntarily take your leave of this forum (BadWeB). The choice is up to you. (Message edited by Blake on June 07, 2009) |
