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Limitedx1
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

how did a population thread go to a child thread..........ever think about advancements in medicine......people are living longer than they ever used to, and people who should be gone are plugged into a wall sucking more of your social security money and creating traffic on highways!
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Birth control? no prob, put your boots on, you know it makes sense!

That's what p****d me off with Popeman. He said to the effect that condoms were helping the spread of AIDS & shouldn't be distributed free to 3rd world nations.

Just the thought that I might become a dad again at my age is enough to reduce my libido!
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Danger_dave
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 11:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My pal (best man at his wedding) the Hippie became a dad today. Mum and baby doing well. Jasper.

Interesting times. Hippie is three years younger than me - and I have grandchildren at school.

I have been celebrating at his house, along with an accomplished racer and a motorcycle salesman = 4 of us.

We talked kids for 5 minutes, Music & Film 1 hour and motorbikes for 4 hours.

He's getting the band back together.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Those who believe there are "too many people" have never been to the midwest.
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Can we take all the excess people from China and India and put them in the mid west? Still dosen't solve the issue of overpopulating the planet and overstraining the ecosystem.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This theory comes up constantly. It simply isn't true. We heard it in the 70's (Froggy, you won't remember the 70's : D). We were going to run out of food by 1995.

We didn't.

We became more efficient. We became more effective. We adapted.

The good news is that if things get really bad, our population will "self correct".

We are about due for a billion person max extinction event (war, famine, pestilence, plague, holocaust).
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Didn't they say in the 70s you would never need a more than 640k of memory? : D

That mass extinction can't come fast enough!
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 01:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

They also said that we were heading into the next ice age in the 70's. : |

When the end comes, I'm eating the vegetarians first.

The are low in fat and easy to kill.
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Cowtown
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wish I remember where I read this, but it stated you could take the world’s population, group them in 4s, place them in modest size homes, on modest size lots and they would fit in the state of Texas. The only problem I have with this statement is, why Texas! Place them in zero lot condos and put them in California. Welcome to Texas, now git.
Seriously, God said “be fruitful and multiply” he didn’t give any targets or time frames.
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Davefla
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

P.J. O'Rourke, in "All The Trouble In The World," calculated that all six billion of us would fit into an area the size of Yugoslavia, give or take a couple of hundred thousand park rangers keeping track of the rest, if the population density of Manhattan was the target. He also compared standards of living in Bangladesh and Fremont, California - locations which then had identical population densities, but were obviously far different.

Call me a skiffy nut but we're doomed anyway if we don't get a chunk of humanity living someplace off this rock, sometime soon.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Earth isn't as fragile as some might have us think.

Space isn't a friendly as some might hope.


We are a very long way from being able to warp away at factor 4. When we get "there", there might not be much to see.
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Doughnut
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 03:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Earth isn't as fragile as some might have us think.

That is my worry. . . that the Earth's immune system will kick in and get rid of us.
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Elsinore74
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Earth's Immune System? How about Ebola, Bovine Spongiform Encephelopathy, and AIDS? Not to mention Cancer, Influenza, and all the usual suspects.

Cockroaches get a lot of credit, but as a species, humans have a decent survival record.
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Doughnut
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Earth's Immune System? How about Ebola, Bovine Spongiform Encephelopathy, and AIDS? Not to mention Cancer, Influenza, and all the usual suspects.

Kinda what I mean, plus all the natural disasters and what ever else may be tossed at us.
We really are little more then a parasite. We no longer add anything to the "circle of life" or have any real interactions with the rest of nature outside of what we force.

(Damn, when did I go all hippie and shit?)
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 03:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I hope to be ring side when the big rock from space hits us in 2012.


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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 03:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"There are too many people" is another alarmist statement meant to create foment that generates government grants, donations, and occupations to those unable to create any real benefit to society.
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Elsinore74
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Dead may have said it best:

I may be going to hell in a bucket, babe
But at least I'm enjoying the ride, at least Ill enjoy the ride.
Ride, ride, ride
At least Ill enjoy the ride.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 03:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The military was actually quite supportive of it, you just have to lay it out.
ie Hell 6 of your leading Petty Officers all just knocked up a x girl from x country and are having their wages garnished for x amount

The LT was all too happy to do the snip
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Old_man
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 03:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The are low in fat and easy to kill.
I don't know if that's true.

Killer Kowalski was a vegetarian.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Elsinore74
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 03:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ya know, in the movie "Swamp Thing," I believe the monster hooked up with a vegetarian chick and it ended OK for him. But I digress...
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Didn't they say in the 70s you would never need a more than 640k of memory?"

That was the 80's. I believe in the 70's it was "No one needs a computer at their home".
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Doughnut
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 04:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That was the 80's. I believe in the 70's it was "No one needs a computer at their home".

I would have NO love life then.
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Old_man
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 04:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The picture reminds me how quickly we can destroy the meaning of words.
I was listening to some old music.
The Gaylords, Ronnie Cook and the Gaylads.
the lyrics that used the word gay.
Totally different now.
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Doughnut
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 04:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sorry.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 04:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Back in my day, people were gay but not "gay", and we walked up hill both ways to school carrying a bucket of milk to the factory."
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Old_man
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 04:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

we walked up hill both ways to school
Here in Pittsburgh that was true, of couse, we also walked downhill both ways.
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Stingaroo
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

this was a conversation piece in one of my History classes back at IUP a few years ago. What I brought up was War. Casualties on both sides, civilian casualties, the toll is enormous. Not saying its a bad thing more people are not dying these days, just an observation I had brought up awhile back.
just look at the 1900's
-Japanese-Russo War,
-WW1 where a whole generation in France was almost extinct
-WW2
-Korea
-Vietnam
-Gulf War
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Doughnut
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 05:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

And the numbers?
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Stingaroo
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This opened up a big can of worms in that class. First thing I thought about was how many people died during all the wars I have read about in the past. These are not just numbers, but a breathing, living human had existed for every digit.

I did a google search and did not break it down to exact numbers.

Japanese Russo, 89,000 Russian, 71,000 Japanese
WW1 37 million casualties, 16 million dead.
WW2 73 Million dead. Link for break down http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_2_casualtie s

Korea- "US sources state that the number of American Korean area deaths were 36,94. These sources state that Chinese deaths ranged from 100,000 to 1,500,000; most estimates are in the 400,000 range. The North Korean battle dead estimates were 214,000 to 520,000; the most common estimates were in the 500,000 range. South Korean civilian estimated deaths were in the 245,000 to 415,000 dead. Total civilian deaths were in the 1,500,000 to 3,000,000 range with most estimates in the 2,000,000 range"

Vietnam
North 1,100,000 soldiers, 2,000,000 civilians Dead
South 1,200,000 approx. Dead
US 58,209.

Gulf War
379 Coalition forces
Varies from 30,000-200,000 Iraqis Killed.

OIF-OEF, still fighting.
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