| Author | Message | ||
     Buell920 |
I will assume Better as in reference to past and not currently (by others). I wonder what they will do the transmission design? there is some serious need of refinement there. (not directed at Buell but rather the overall accepted design throughout the industry) (Message edited by buell920 on April 03, 2009) | ||
| Jaimec |
I think the problem with that design is that now the hot air will vent directly over your legs. You thought the bike was hot to ride BEFORE?? Not a problem for a racer in full leathers, but it'll be interesting for a normal person in traffic (even if he DOES ATGATT). | ||
| Davegess |
"The entire concept of "okay" and "like all the others" is unacceptable" I can ditto that from experience. Just OK will make people at Buell cring. The brake simply provides better braking and handling than conventional setups. Danny does not seem to be having any trouble with torsional loading of the front end and he is using the brakes harder than you ever would on the street. | ||
| Ekruizenga |
I like the look of the aftermarket pods, if they truely do drop CT by 20'(as advertised) it would probably be worth it, as everytime the outside temp gets anywhere around 80+ I have boiling fuel between my legs. Gentleman-Jon can you put those on a 25R? I woud love to see that | ||
| Crowley |
..........and yet the oil radiator is stuck in the optimum position for stone damage, turbulent air etc.  I built a stone guard for mine and it now has some impressive dents in it  | ||
| Xb984r |
"The brake simply provides better braking and handling than conventional setups" I've read alot of magazine articles that say the exact opposite. | ||
| Xb984r |
"If throwing a stone up from the front tire and holing the radiator is "okay", that's a great position to take. " Blake,is this a common occurrance? Funny I have never heard nor read any complaints that this is a common problem. (Message edited by xb984r on April 03, 2009) | ||
| Xb984r |
"Your repeated posts aimed at belittling Buell are becoming tiresome. Why are you here" Blake you are right, I probably don't belong here, I just can't be the Buell cheerleader you expect everyone to be. Don't worry my Buell will be payed off and sold and a 1125 does not interest me. No Buell no reason to be on here. | ||
| Davegess |
"I've read alot of magazine articles that say the exact opposite" I've talked to alot of professional fast guys who like it. I find that it works great the way I ride. Have you experienced problems? | ||
| Court |
Next time you are in a speeding automobile . . . . hold a legal pad out the window and position it (like the conventional radiators you subscribe to) at 90o to the direction of travel. See how it feels. Now reposition it 0o so that it's long axis is parallel to the wind. Shhhhhh . . . . you didn't hear it from me. That's not the reason Buell put the radiators in the right place, but it's a benefit. Go scramble up the C.V. of the average (Steve Anderson Platform Director at Buell who was a writer for years, with a high powered M.I.T. engineering degree that he used to help design this radiator doesn't count) magazine writer and then judge how much faith you want to put in what you read. I'm telling you . . . THINK for yourself. You simply can't rely on what the kids riding these 600's and the magazines tell you. | ||
| Jaimec |
Actually, everything I've read says the ZTL ISN'T better than what everyone else uses, it is JUST AS GOOD. However, it also allows the front wheel assembly to be SEVEN POUNDS lighter than a typical sportbike setup and THAT'S the reason Buell uses it. | ||
| Court |
Next time you are in a speeding automobile . . . . hold a legal pad out the window and position it (like the conventional radiators you subscribe to) at 90o to the direction of travel. See how it feels. Now reposition it 0o so that it's long axis is parallel to the wind. Shhhhhh . . . . you didn't hear it from me. That's not the reason Buell put the radiators in the right place, but it's a benefit. Go scramble up the C.V. of the average (Steve Anderson Platform Director at Buell who was a writer for years, with a high powered M.I.T. engineering degree that he used to help design this radiator doesn't count) magazine writer and then judge how much faith you want to put in what you read. I'm telling you . . . THINK for yourself. You simply can't rely on what the kids riding these 600's and the magazines tell you. | ||
| Dentguy |
Court You've been having some double posts lately. Everything OK ? Steve | ||
| Oddball |
That's Court's doppleganger. Either that or he's been practicing double-taps and carried the muscle memory onto his computing. | ||
| Madav8tr |
"Don't worry my Buell will be payed off and sold and a 1125 does not interest me. No Buell no reason to be on here." Then why, besides the obvious troll reason, would you even bother to be here in the 1st place? That said, Bye  | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
MMMmmmm...... DoubleTaps..... Rock on, Court! R | ||
| Brapbrapbrap |
Court Posted on Friday, April 03, 2009 - 05:20 pm: Next time you are in a speeding automobile . . . . hold a legal pad out the window and position it (like the conventional radiators you subscribe to) at 90o to the direction of travel. See how it feels. Now reposition it 0o so that it's long axis is parallel to the wind. Shhhhhh . . . . you didn't hear it from me. That's not the reason Buell put the radiators in the right place, but it's a benefit. That sounds like a good reason NOT to have them mounted on the sides. Less surface for the air to cool. The space/drag you just described is now being used by the engine in creating drag. If just 'OK' is never the standard at Buell the 1125R would have been released a year later then it was. OK, also seems to be the word,sentiment you see in most reviews of the Buell Braking system. No intent on being negative but it seems so many here want aftermarket items then tear them up when they are introduced. The cooling system referenced in this thread title is a Large aesthetic improvement that looks are far better than OK. } | ||
| Court |
>>>No intent on being negative but it seems so many here want aftermarket items then tear them up when they are introduced. On a motorcycle ? ? ? . . . take of stock parts and replace them? ? ? ? . . oh the horror. You are talking to a guy who spent over $15,000 on an S-1 that had never been started.  It's the nature of the beast. | ||
| Jaimec |
You people never cease to amaze me. For YEARS the biggest topic of debate on the XB Board was how unbalanced the bikes looked with a giant scoop on the left, and a tiny, vestigial scoop on the right. The aftermarket produced symmetrical right side scoops (that engineers say do more harm than good) and that board is STILL littered with pro and con debates on the asymmetrical scoops. So Buell FINALLY makes a bike with two SYMMETRICAL scoops and STILL you people bitch and moan about it!! SHEESH!! I'm going riding... | ||
| Madav8tr |
"The cooling system referenced in this thread title is a Large aesthetic improvement that looks are far better than OK." It may be an improvement in your opinion but not everyone agrees. I think it looks stupid, regardless of how it's rotated and the benefits, 20 degree cooler operation etc, are simply manufacturer claims that have yet to be substantiated in real world riding. Then you have the other benefit that the pods provide when it comes to crash protection and the "aesthetic improvement" radiators become even less appealing to me. I find it amusing that people keep trying to turn the 1125 into something else. If you want exposed side mounted radiators then go buy the Benelli TnT, and if you want something with a front mount radiator they make those bikes as well and they are sold everyday. Most of us that actually own the 1125 seem to like the way it looks as it is. The guys bitching and moaning the most however don't even own the 1125 and according to at least one don't have the slightest desire to even purchase one. | ||
| Brapbrapbrap |
Most of us that actually own the 1125 seem to like the way it looks as it is. The guys bitching and moaning the most however don't even own the 1125 and according to at least one don't have the slightest desire to even purchase one.) I think many of us want a new Buell and thats why there are some desires for ;enhancements' | ||
| Thulsadoom |
For sheets and geegols can someone with skills photo shop those on the 1125R? Just curious. DOOM | ||
| Buell920 |
""The brake simply provides better braking and handling than conventional setups. Danny does not seem to be having any trouble with torsional loading of the front end and he is using the brakes harder than you ever would on the street."" yep! you are correct. I ride on the street with bumps, holes, and so on. | ||
| Anonymous |
The real strength of the ZTL system is on the road, where the huge difference in unsprung weight allows the wheel to follow surface irregularities better. For example, threshold braking on a bumpy downhill is way higher on a ZTL than conventional systems. And anywhere else where unsprung weight and steer axis inertia effects matter, it wins. Anyone who wants to argue that is simply ignorant of physics and vehicle dynamics. The ZTL wasn't developed to be a better brake, it was developed to be an equivalent brake with huge benefits in unsprung weight. It has taken us a little time to get the braking dialed in to world class racing levels, since no one else is doing what we are and we have to do it all. However, even the day the first 6-piston was launched it was already a very good brake system, but absolutely worlds ahead of anything else in unsprung weight. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Xb984r must be a dysfunctional person having to turn to the internet to get attention, negative attention, but attention nonetheless. Be gone loser. | ||
| Buell920 |
""where the huge difference in unsprung weight allows the wheel to follow surface irregularities better"" THIS IS TRUE. but there is still a pull. I have adapted quickly to it after moving from a M2 to the XB 3 years ago. Buell has broken new ground with this system and others, but customer feedback always help improve what has already been improved. | ||
| Xb984r |
"Xb984r must be a dysfunctional person having to turn to the internet to get attention, negative attention, but attention nonetheless. Be gone loser." Fresno, sorry your life is so bad you need to attach yourself to a bike and come on here to feel better about yourself. Funny, I said nothing negative about the pods I simply stated that Buell is not the first to put the radiators on the side and that other brands seem to not have a problem with where they place them. If being married 17 years, having three wonderful kids (one with a college scholarship already), a job I love and do very well and good friends I still have from high school makes me a loser, then I am happy to be a loser. You may want to get a life Fresno. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
......"but customer feedback always help improve what has already been improved." Get rid of the pods. They make the bike too wide... I would like to see a "Benelli Tornado" solution, radiator under the seat. Rumours are that Buell are already working on it. | ||
| Cringblast |
When the 1125 came out I went and looked at it many times. 1 time I came out of the dealership (had to leave or else I would gotten it) was getten on the XB to go home and a dude from the metric dealer next door came over to talk to me about the XB12R. OHHH, he was getten a XB in a few days. Told him I was looken at the 1125 and he said it looked "vomitus" WOW, ok. Not a word one hears very often. During the year went and looked at the 1125 more. 1st time I saw the 1125CR I bought it. SWEET ! To each their own !! C. | ||
| Oddball |
Vagelis46, In all fairness it looks like barely any extra width is used over the broadness of the frame. An inch or two maybe? http://www.motoservices.com/blog/wp-content/galler y/buell-xb-1125-cr/wallpaper_1125CR_17.jpg http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/2009-B uell-1125CR-5.jpg From the front it does give the appearance of significant girth by extending the thickest area downward. Too much "thunder thighs" for you I'd guess. Just hope that any under seat solution, if reality, doesn't give a worse case of too much junk in the trunk. A svelte rear has been a buell hallmark for quite some time. Setting aside any visual disagreements, a more worthy point of discussion would be the open pods and their outward venting vs stock. |
