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Scubarc51
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

anyone know of any dampers available for the 1125cr yet, i was wondering about the GPR Damper
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1125rz
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 05:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

trry calling gpr 6119-661-0101.just put one on my 1125r.
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1125rz
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

fat fingers 619-661-0101
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Al_lighton
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 06:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We have them in stock. http://www.americansportbike.com/shoponline/ccp0-p rodshow/9248.html

yea, that's a firebolt picture..but the only difference is the metric M6 vs 1/4-20 screw.

Al
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07xb12ss
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 06:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

dont the handlebars prevent from using this damper?
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Scubarc51
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 06:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hope it fits, Just ordered it!
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Scubarc51
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 07:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i seen it on a website in the uk there it was available on the 1125cr
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Al_lighton
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 07:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My Bad, I read the 1125R in the second posters text, not 1125CR in the first post above.

DOH!! Sorry for the confusion.

There will almost surely be one for it, more like the Lightning version, but the fact that the bar clamp is also the instrument mount complicates it somewhat.

Stay tuned....

Al
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Marcodesade
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 07:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Al, I hate to threadjack, but can you discuss the merits of the radial models like GPR vs. the strut-style? I see the latter advertised all over the place for around $100 (sometimes less). What makes the GPR worth 5x as much?
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Al_lighton
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 07:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just got off the phone with GPR, they are looking at it, but they don't have the approach determined yet. If they did it just like the lightning mount, it would be a BIG block of billet that it would be machined out of, would be much more expensive.

Al
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Scubarc51
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guess not order was canceled GPR doesnt make one yet for the 1125CR Damn!
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Edmbueller
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 07:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Installing my GPR tomorrow - thanks again Al!
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Al_lighton
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

First, any linear damper kit you'll find for $100 is probably worth what you pay for it. I don't think you'll find a quality kit for that price. A quality damper alone is worth more than that, and the mounting kits are usually comprised of several billet parts.

I've had both. Both work. There are plenty of go fast big bucks race bikes with either type. I think the biggest advantages to the rotary design is placement. The thing is right where you want it to be, it is far easier to adjust it, and to see what setting its on, when it is right in front of you. SOME linear dampers are in a similar position, but on more bikes than not, this usually isn't the case.

My guess is that linear dampers are easier to make, and it's probably easier to make good reliable seals in them. Not unlike it is easier to make a reliable piston ring than it is to make a wankel rotor seal. So there is probably a cost advantage to the linear approach.

Due to the way they attach to the frame and the forks, there is probably more variability to the resistance to rotational movement over the full range of motion with a linear damper vs a rotary damper. This is because the moment arm changes somewhat over the full travel distance with many linear damper designs (or more precisely, the attachment/engagement designs for the damper itself). That isn't the case with a rotary damper that always has its pivot axis concentric with the steering stem axis.. That said, given the total distance that the bars are moved when in motion at any speed probably makes this disadvantage somewhat moot. At speeds that dampers are really useful, the amount of actual bar motion for turn initiation is pretty small, so the change in that moment arm is also correspondingly small.

Ohlins makes the Scotts rotary dampers, and they also make fine linear dampers. I suspec that they'd stop making one type or the other if there was a clear cut advantage. Other companies make one type or the other, I'm not aware of other companies making both types.
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Scubarc51
Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anyone know of what company's offer steering dampers for the 1125CR yet?

Where, price, ?

Thanks
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Ccryder
Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Steve:

Give Al at American Sport Bike a call. He has his finger on the pulse of the aftermarket Buell goodies. When it happens, American Sport Bike will be right there (probably even doing some of the proto testing).
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Thurstonbuell
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 08:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

QUESTION :

I soon will be receiving my GPR stabilizer and was wondering if any of you have experience in installing the GPR on an 1125 ???

Is it terribly difficult to do ?


Does it require the a complete disassembly of the steering column stem ?

Anyone who might be able to give me the general install procedure would Greatly be appreciated !!!
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Al_lighton
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 09:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's actually quite easy, with one exception. You'll need a BIG socket, and it can't have a thick wall. My 36mm impact socket worked, but I had to take about .010" off all the way around for it to clear the mount walls. I think it's actually an SAE size, but 36mm was pretty darned close.
Other than that, it's pretty trivial to install.
Al
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Thurstonbuell
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Al,

What exactly am I doing with this 36mm ?
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Blackdog
Posted on Monday, April 06, 2009 - 12:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What exactly am I doing with this 36mm ?

It's for a lock nut that secures the stabilizer base to the top of the forks. I used the standard equivelent of 36MM but I can't remember what that was.
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1time17
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 07:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

anyone found a damper for the 1125cr yet, really would like to have one even if i have to order from uk whats the web site??
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Xtreme6669
Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lets keep this thread updated!! We need a CR damper!
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Nattyx1
Posted on Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 06:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm with xtreme6669.

Erik Buell Racing doesn't have one ... who does?
I think all we need is some sort of fixed arm that can bolt to ... somewhere.
Like maybe one of the radiator hangers? or front engine mount?

Will someone with some engineering chops please chime in? There are a bazillion readily available dampers with enough throw to put in place here... there are readily available collars to secure said damper to the fork leg. All we need is the "third element" and a place to screw it down. So the way I'm thinking, it's not a "kit" per se, but a part that needs to be made (or acquired - repurposed from something else] and a couple other parts (like 2/3 of the Erik Buell Racing setup?).

Thoughts?

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Thecowboyblack
Posted on Friday, June 04, 2010 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

friendly little......


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