| Author | Message | ||
     Wolfridgerider |
The inside line.... YA THINK?  Flat track racing does come in handy....  I've done ^ that on the track.... Its usually followed by me pulling into the pit to clean out my undies... | ||
| Etennuly |
Like he said in the interview when one of the other riders mentioned the CC advantage Buell has: "there were four or five other Buells out there that you did beat!" The rider has so much to do with it! | ||
| Gunut75 |
It's the operator......not the machine! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I think I can see Jimmy's panties in a bunch in that picture. | ||
| Swordsman |
Doh! Grass stain on the knee slider, and skid marks on the undies!  ~SM | ||
| Nevrenuf |
they talk about cc's but how much hp do the 600 class bikes have in comparison to the 1125. | ||
| 20xb12s04 |
Wolf, you know where I can find some full size versions of those pics? | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Send me a PM | ||
| Reepicheep |
I've been thinking about that also Neil... I wish I had a high quality copy of the Daytona 200... It oughta be possible to go frame by frame for some of the coverage and pick out particular sections where the bikes are accelerating WOT starting at fairly low speed. From that, it oughta be possible to work backwards and get a "HP to Weight Ratio"... You could try and do it off the back straight, but aerodynamic drag would be a big confounding factor, I'm betting the 1125 is significantly more slippery then the 600's. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
Wolf, I have done that too!! But I don't get nearly the orifice failure as when the front tire slides!! | ||
| 20xb12s04 |
Wolf, PM sent  | ||
| M2statz |
OK. So those pictures have me hooked! I have to see more. I look at where his head is compared to his body and the bike and I am thinking "How does that work?" I looks freaky great fun and can my M2 do anything close to that with me on it? | ||
| 20xb12s04 |
It kinda reminds me of this...  | ||
| Rocketsprink |
I'd like to see the next few photos after the above one. I just don't see that ending well. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/getVote.jsp?pn=buell0321 There is a poll about the question of the HP difference and the place of the Buell in the current (and quite disappointing) new AMA/DMG (I really dislike DMG) psuedo roadracing series......I like the 1125, but if the Ducati 1098 can run with the big boys, then the 1125 can run with the big boys...shawn higbee rode the bike to a 15th place finish against the new supposed Superbike class....here is the link to that.... http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Mar/e/n090322b.htm It is a killer photo, not quite as cool as Ruben Xaus with the Ducati supermoto crossed up with one hand on the bars, in fact here is that one...  | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
I've found figures of around 127-130 hp for a Yamaha YZF-R6 with a wet weight of 414 lbs. Buell specs 375 lbs dry for it's 1125R but at 8 lbs/gallon times five gallons equals an additional 40 lbs, just in gas. HP is 146. So, basically, who the hell knows if it's an equal match for a 600. I havent found anyone who has yet to give me a definitive answer. | ||
| Froggy |
The race bikes have a lower dry weight than street bikes, as they have mag wheels, carbon fiber, no lights, etc. | ||
| Etennuly |
I tell ya what, I watched those guys run lap after lap, three abreast, trading the lead for the first twenty or so laps at Daytona. I saw parity that Nascar would be proud to have with their COT cars. Those bikes were equal. Those riders were equal. Stamina, pit stops, and luck are what determined the differences in their finish positions. | ||
| Glitch |
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| Spdkls |
its just like wsbk last year. there was all this talk because bayliss had a clear advantage at some tracks, but on others was overmatched by the i4's. also nobody questioned spies and mladin last year when they completely owned the ama. sometimes winning by 10+seconds over 3rd place. i believe i read in another thread that somebody did the math on cylinder chamber cc's on the 1125 vs the 600 and it came out pretty equal in the total size. like it was stated in another thread. if the buells start taking over the series, the ama will do something about it. those of you that are old enough remember when the audi's owned imsa in the 80's with they're awd system and were banned from racing eventually after failed attempts to slow them down(ie smaller width tires, lower rpms). this happens repeatedly in all forms of racing all the time. here's some other sports that had the same problem -tour de france(greg lemond criticized for using and aero bike for time trial. not used previously) -clap skate in long track speed skating almost not allowed in the olympics -the swim suits with speed lines -inlines skates for road racing in roller speed skating -big head drivers in golf -ferrari in f1 always ahead of the rest of the field in innovations see where i'm going with this new innovations are scary to the old ways. its always going to happen. give buell a couple of losses and it'll all go away!!! | ||
| Nevrenuf |
and it definitely looks like he has a greater lean angle than the guy behind him. | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
Thats a nice X you have there Jerry.  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
and it definitely looks like he has a greater lean angle than the guy behind him. That's youth and balls. | ||
| Ochoa0042 |
Oooohh he's drifting a bit on the 2nd pic -- yea buell has a cc advantage and way more power than any 600, plus its rich torque.. I dont see why the 1125 isnt doing better! Maybe if buell gets rid of their 'power wedge' (front fairing).. that thing is like opening up an umbrella; which works better to fight the wind? the umbrella closed or open? | ||
| Crackhead |
you have to think of the total aero package with the rider. it doesn't matter if the bike is super aero dynamic and the rider is sitting out in the wind causing drag. | ||
| Xb12mel |
Thanks Wolf... you're the man!  | ||
| Hootowl |
That fairing is what lets the Buell go faster with less power. Believe it or not, some pretty smart people designed that fairing with drag reduction in mind. Sharp and pointy only works at supersonic speeds. | ||
| Ebear |
Second Picture is mine.....more on "Racing"......and more coming up in a few days..... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The fairing also provides additional benefits. Because the rider is nestled behind the fairing in calm air, he/she is not having to fight the wind resistance and buffeting. This results in a rider less fatigued later in the race allowing the rider to concentrate better and perform at higher levels when other riders are beginning to fade. | ||
| Etennuly |
Ebear, you got pictures of the Gieco girls? I missed you at Daytona. You put one of Al's cards on my Uly near the pit Fan Zone entrance. |
