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Ruprecht
| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 02:36 pm: | 
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Haha... yeah that needs interpreting.
"but when Aprilia dumped Rotax and went in-house for engine design"
Interpretation...
"When Aprilia went bust and was bought out by the Piaggio group, who naturally chose to use the very solid technical abilities and experience of the Piaggio Engine Division in Pontedera."
"...it left Rotax without a customer for the "1125". That's where Buell jumped in and became the new customer, but with many design changes to "make it their own"."
Interpretation...
"Rather than use the experience gained from the Aprilia V60 engine in developing a new engine for Aprilia, Rotax applied it to the Buell Helicon engine. Despite the specific requirements of Buell in terms of power delivery and mass centralisation, the Helicon engine therefore gives a good idea of what the next generation of Rotax powered Aprilia's might have entailed."
(Message edited by ruprecht on March 09, 2009) |
Rfischer
| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 03:02 pm: |
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See the 'Anony' post above. All else is intellectual hand-waving. |
Clarkjw
| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 03:30 pm: |
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They sure as hell didn't get any FUEL INJECTION TIPS from Aprilia. I love that Anon posts, but seriously he gave a 5 word answer to the targeted injector question and takes the time to respond to this shiite. REALLY ANNOYING. |
Redbuelljunkie
| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 03:38 pm: |
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That's because in the Rotax Aprilia world the "1125" engine was the next RSV powerplant, but when Aprilia dumped Rotax and went in-house for engine design it left Rotax without a customer for the "1125". That's where Buell jumped in and became the new customer, but with many design changes to "make it their own". To many Aprilia fans, the "1125" is the child who was given up for adoption- and they like to follow it's progress in a curious "what could have been" sort of way.
All of the above is true... from others' perspective. Different forums, different opinions- that's why I posted this comment, and why I specifically used the wording "...in the Rotax Aprilia world...". I knew it would garner a response, and in doing so get the other side of the story. |
2kx1
| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 03:56 pm: |
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Rotax also canceled talks with Fischer a few years ago. |
M1combat
| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 08:34 pm: |
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"All of the above is true... from others' perspective."
Things are not true or false depending on ones point of view. They are either true or false. We're talking about facts here... not opinions.
It's obvious that Rotax didn't fire all their engineers and hire fresh ones for the Buell project, but it's also true that they weren't already building an engine for Aprilia that Buell just jumped into. They started with a clean sheet and used all of their experience to create the best one they could to Buell's specifications. |
Redbuelljunkie
| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 09:56 pm: |
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We're talking about facts here... not opinions.
The facts are... I can't say the Aprilia forum is wrong, nor can I say anonymous is right- I consider everything I read online to be opinion. I figure, as in most things in life, the truth is somewhere in the middle. |
Redbuelljunkie
| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 11:00 pm: |
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You can play he said she said if you want. But I'll take anonymous opinion over some Aprilia fanboy anyday
The flip side of that coin is how do you know there's not an "anonymous" from Aprilia on their forum... just sayin'.
I don't know the truth, and I don't expect to find it online, but my original premise was pointing out that there are many Aprilia fans who follow the progress of the 1125 very closely. I personally think that's kind of cool- the more people interested in Buell the better. |
Firemanjim
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 10, 2009 - 02:01 am: |
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Just an FYI regarding Dynojet dynos, they don't really measure hp, they calculate it from how fast the drum is accelerated. Not familiar with the Factory Pro, but our L&S dyno has a torque cell and measures actual torque and uses that to calculate HP, and it is about 10% lower than a DJ dyno, not 17%. And unless you are comparing runs on the same dyno on the same day by the same operator it does no good. |
Xl1200r
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 10, 2009 - 09:52 am: |
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And unless you are comparing runs on the same dyno on the same day by the same operator it does no good.
For as many times this has been said by MANY people, I still don't know why it isn't common knowledge yet. |
Mainstreamer
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 10, 2009 - 11:34 am: |
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"And unless you are comparing runs on the same dyno on the same day by the same operator it does no good."
+1 So true, the only truth is in the change in numbers, before and after a modification has been made to the bike. The relative values of the two runs are important, not the absolute numbers. |
Paint_shaker
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 10, 2009 - 02:07 pm: |
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Why does everything have to be some kinda conspiracy??
Buell provided Rotax with the specs and Rotax provided Buell with a motor built to those specs.
Why do we have to read anymore into to that?? |
Hogs
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 10, 2009 - 02:37 pm: |
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What Gets ME is IF these bikes 1125`s put out say 150 RWHP You guys would still be Complaining on Power here and there....
Just be HAPPY with what ya got...!
IF ya wanted more then buy a Damn JAP bike ...PERIOD...! |
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