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Oddball
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 06:02 am: | 
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1198 didn't run cause it has too much power I believe. I thought last year when they announced the classes there was a power cap in the 140's. If not it must be close cause I don't believe any with a higher rating were cleared to run. |
Ducxl
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 08:30 am: |
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So is Buell coming out with a new 2250r to
race in the Superbike class? |
Elvis
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 09:34 am: |
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1198 didn't run cause it has too much power I believe. I thought last year when they announced the classes there was a power cap in the 140's. If not it must be close cause I don't believe any with a higher rating were cleared to run.
This is a very important point that many people seem to be missing. The original plan was for a horsepower limited series. The Japanese teams didn't like that idea and convinced Edmonson to change to the current rules.
Buell had very little say and ( I assume ) supported the idea of the horsepower limit.
Now that these are the rules, should Buell remove themselves? And if Buell out-powers the competition under rules that the competition has pushed through, then the competition really has no right to complain, do they?
Buell is just playing by the rules and they are playing by rules that they didn't choose. |
Elvis
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 09:38 am: |
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Duc, Shawn Higbee is running Superbike, but he hasn't yet had time to develop a Superbike spec. bike.
Superbike allows many modifications that aren't allowed in Sportbike. With some technical expertise, it should be possible to get higher compression ratios and higher RPM engines for MUCH more power than stock.
But for now, Shawon is running a stock engine against highly modified competition. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 10:12 am: |
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Seems the AMA let Buell run at the same weight as the 600's.Buell was basically handed this race to them.
And the proof that the AMA allowed Buell to waive their own weight requirements? |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 10:12 am: |
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The R6 didn't look to be suffering too badly on those first 11 laps. Seemed to me, the rider riding best won the lap.
I do want a "CC" limited class... but not cubic centimeters, I want a "Credit Card" limited class. You get a $20,000 prepaid visa, start with nothing but mechanics tools (no machining), and run the season on one bike. When you run out of money for fixing the bike, you stop racing. That $20k has to fund the bike, all modifications, and all repairs. Bikes have to originally come randomly off a show room floor.
(Message edited by reepicheep on March 08, 2009) |
Elvis
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 10:45 am: |
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I would strongly support the DMG/AMA announcing that starting in 2011, Sportbike will be 850 cc for twins, 600 cc for inline 4's and 700 cc for triples.
And also re-confirm that also by 2011 they will use WSBK rules for Superbike.
That would give Buell 2 years to develop either an 845RR or an 1195RR . . . or both.
For now, they need the kind of rules break they are getting - not so we can brag that we have the fastest bikes on the planet (nobody bought a Buell for those bragging rights, did they?), but so Buell can begin to develop a real racing program. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 11:23 am: |
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Are we looking for street bikes we can race or race bikes we can ride?
Would a 850CC Twin spec'd for racing STILL be the street bike we'd want to own?
Dunno. I'd like an 850cc Buell for sure.
If you set a rule mark, everyone will aim JUST for that mark. |
Elvis
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 11:40 am: |
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I think a $9500 845R . . . alongside a limited production, full-fairing, chain drive 845RR with top shelf suspension, and 12,000 RPM for $17,000 would make two very interesting additions to the line.
Of course short-term, the 845's would be based on the 1125R platform similarly to the Duc 848 . . . but long term, a specially designed smaller, lighter 845 platform would be really exciting. |
Diablo1
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 12:17 pm: |
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And the proof that the AMA allowed Buell to waive their own weight requirements?}
Quoted from Cycle News:
Not only did the 1125R clock the fastest lap, it also had one of the fastest trap speeds. Eslick wasn't aware of the speed, but said of the Buell, "It's got big legs on it." It helps that the Buell 1125R's get a 20 pounds weight allowance not afforded to other V-twins.
(Message edited by Diablo1 on March 08, 2009) |
46champ
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 12:20 pm: |
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There are no horsepower limits at this time, but the selection of bikes are the same as when there was going to be limits. The 848 Duc was the bike of choice not a 1098. I've never heard a peep out of Ducati America after all they need to sell 848's also. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 01:04 pm: |
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I don't think an 850cc Helicon would be that much lighter then an 1125cc Helicon, and I am not sure why we as fans would want to force Buell to make smaller displacement versions. They built the 1125 because it was as big as they can pack in a nice compact frame... as much motor as they could get without compromising the chassis. Sounds like the right approach to me.
That being said, I'm ridding the "little" XB motor, not by necessity, but by preference. It was the one I wanted. So I am all for another motor, but I don't think it should be built on a racing platform, it should be a street platform.
And I'm clearly crazy, as I am not even sure I want a water cooled motor. My KLR-250 had serious cooling and head gasket problems at 10k miles. The little air cooled Buell just keeps running and is at 30k miles. I'm not sold on water cooling for motorcycles just yet. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 01:11 pm: |
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Interesting Diablo1.
Thank you. |
Jmr1283
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 01:53 pm: |
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i dont have speed and my internet is really slow rate now. does any one have the daytona race they could email me? |
Chadhargis
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 05:15 pm: |
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According to the specs of the bikes before the race, the Buell's minimum weight was the same as the other twins. |
Elvis
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 05:30 pm: |
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Is it possible Danny has it confused? Shawn Higbee posted on his blog: "Reaching the minimum weight of 385 is fairly easy to achieve for the 1125R in race trim. In my opinion the 1125R will be competitive against the 600’s, even with the weight advantage the rules give them. Obviously we will know more after Daytona."
So it seems they either made the change and never mentioned it to Shawn - which would be unfortunate since 20 lbs could have made the difference between a podium and 5th place - or Danny was a little confused about the specifics (unlike Shawn, Danny probably has "people" to worry about those details).
(Message edited by elvis on March 08, 2009) |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 09:47 pm: |
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Don't know but it would seem odd to lay down the rules and then just throw them out on a whim.
I know they'd like to have Buell be a contender, but I'd have thought that were they to blow off the weight requirement that ALL the other contenders would be screaming bloody murder. |
Chadhargis
| | Posted on Sunday, March 15, 2009 - 01:27 pm: |
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They would have if Buell had won. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Sunday, March 15, 2009 - 03:47 pm: |
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Wouldn't you say, then, that had Buell ended up 1,2,3 on the podium that they would continue to add weight until parity was attained?
Higbee was only able to move up to 5th and he ain't no slouch of a rider. Seems to me that whether they were required to meet weight or not that the Buells weren't just blowing the competition away. |
Dentguy
| | Posted on Sunday, March 15, 2009 - 04:09 pm: |
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With all the rules controversy talk going on, I thought I would post this.
Watched some NHRA Pro Stock Bike earlier.
Sounds like there is a lot of controversy going on with the rules and Harley.
Don't have all the info as I only caught a piece of it, but it sounded like Harley came to the NHRA and got some developments approved some time back and nobody else (other competitors) was told about it. Obviously the non Harley teams don't think it's fair since the Harley/Buells have been dominating. Can't blame them.
Like I said, I don't know all the details so take that for what it's worth. |
Usmoto
| | Posted on Monday, March 16, 2009 - 06:01 am: |
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I've gone to AMAProRacing.com and checked out the rules for Daytona Sportbike. As long as Buell is within the guidelines than kickin' the sh%^ out of everybody else shouldn't matter.
AMA came up with a set of rules and Buell fits into those guidelines so that's pretty much the end of the story. If the AMA decides something isn't fair, I guess they rehash the rules. The other manu's agreed to race under these rules so if they have heartburn they can only blame themselves. As long as they're winning you probably won't hear a peep.
The days of the Jap teams ruling the roost are coming to an end. Don't get me wrong, I have owned a number of Jap bikes even have an old Honda chopper at present that I built last year. I'm just a very big Buell fan and want to see them succeed.
Let the best bike win. Hopefully it's Buell. Personally I hope Buell kicks the livin' sh$% out of them and sends them home in a box. |
Ebear
| | Posted on Monday, March 16, 2009 - 10:39 am: |
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To Dentguy......
I heard this story also yesterday , that Harley AND SUZUKI both announced that they would be coming out with 4 valve heads....this was approved by NHRA. HD beat them to the punch....Suzuki is still in Developement.It was never a secret , just that HD for once decided not to put out a release touting it , therefor everyone thought they were hiding it. |
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