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Spiderman
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 08:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So I am renovating the family room right now, which is a ton of work. My dad got me the DeWalt combo kit about 3 years ago. Since then I never replaced the 6.5 inch circular saw blade, I only used it 15 to 20 times.

So I head up to the local big box home improvement store to get some new blades. Figured it was about time and why not I am going to be ripping a lot.

I put the new blade on, make the first cut and got about 2 inches and hey why the hell isn't it moving any more?!?!?

I pull the battery, pull back the guard and hey looky here no more teeth!

ALL THE CARBIDE TEETH WERE MISSING!

Yes every single carbide tooth had stripped off the blade.

I take a look at the package, 'Made in China'

WTF!! if I wanted some cheap Made in China tools I would have went to Harbor Freight and spent 5 bucks. Not spend the money to get OEM replacement OEM DeWalt parts!



BTW I did return it and did get my money back...
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 08:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Freud makes a good blade....

http://www.freudtools.com/
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Etennuly
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 08:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I ran into EXACTLY the same issue at NAPA last week buying a floor jack. I went to them for a quality tool(it says NAPA all over it, stickered up like a race car) then I get it to my shop and find the "Made specifically to NAPA standards in China". They of course had their cheaper use at home jacks, but this is one of their professional grade shop 3 1/2 ton jacks.

Damn.
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 09:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I would bet that the DeWalt tools themselves are made in China.

I have a cousin who works in Milwaukee Tools prototype center - and it was painful to hear about their future KNOWING that they HAD TO move much of their manufacturing to China.

NOBODY wants to pay for domestic manufacture. We are a CONSUMING culture, and NOT a PRODUCING culture any longer.
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I know someone that works at B&D HQ and the batteries are the most expensive component. I recall him telling me a 18 volt drill costs them like $12 to manufacturer.
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Spiderman
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 09:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I am sure they are now, I got mine 3 to 4 years ago, so I am unsure where they were made then. But I have never had a problem with them till now and that was just the blade.
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Benm2
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Its cause they took the lead out so no children could get lead poisoning from chewing on the carbide teeth
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I gotta go out to the shop - we have a dozen DeWalt systems here... be right back...
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 10:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Milwaukee Tools are owned by the Chinese.

B&D/DeWalt are still U.S. owned
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Kazz1949
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a DeWalt miter saw that was made in Mexico. (double compound slider their top of the line.)

Bob
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Nevrenuf
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

we have cut off our noses to spite our face when it comes to tools. nobody wanted quality tools so they started making them overseas. i had a 1/2" milwaukee combination regular/hammer drill with reverse that was bought back in early 88. and the thing worked great until about 4 yrs ago when it took a crap. when i tried to get it fixed, they wouldn't do it cause they said they didn't have the components to do it. got another one identical to it and started having problems within two days, took it back and got another one and had the same problem again. finally this one has held up(knock on wood)

now i do have an old rockwell hingejig setup for doors that is still in great shape because i don't let anyone else use it anymore. let one of the so called door guys at work use it one time and he almost screwed up one of the pins. very good example of american made goods. good luck on your project spidey. i'm in the same boat at home.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)



OOps wrong thread.

(Message edited by johnnylunchbox on March 02, 2009)
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just fer giggles - results of my shop survey just now:

18V DeWalt:
Battery Japan
Charger Thailand
Jigsaw Czech Republic
½ inch impact Mexico
Portable Vacuum China

24V Bosch:
Battery China
Charger China
Reciprocating Saw Mexico
Circular Saw Mexico
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Jimduncan69
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 01:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

what Mark "wolfridgerider" said! Freud makes really good blade. i run them in all of my saws.
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 02:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

Its cause they took the lead out so no children could get lead poisoning from chewing on the carbide teeth




No, these products aren't made for children so they still contain lead. In fact I bet all the extra lead they got laying around is being pumped into this : )
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Slowride
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 02:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I had a similar experience with a B&D 9 amp drill. I was cutting out pipe on a vstar with a 1inch circular hole bit and I burned up the drill. I had just purchased it for this work. I took it back and got another, well it did it again.

I did a quick search of all the tools and figured if I had to buy foreign I might as well by Hitachi....

Been with them ever since and it sliced through the pipe like butter.
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Skinstains
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 02:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I hope this thread opens some eyes. We as a country are in big trouble. Have been for a long time.
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Indybuell
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

+2 on the Freud.
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Bigblock
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 02:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just looked at angle grinders, Dewalt, ryobi, ridgid and even Makita, all made in China!

I didn't buy, I will try and find something used at a yard sale, I guess.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Porter Cable? I have a few of their things. Anybody know who made'm?
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 02:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Black & Decker bought Porter Cable in 05.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 03:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Glade I got my stuff before that happened.
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Milwaukee is owned by a company called TekTronics International, they're based out of Hong Kong and also own Ryobi.
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Frankfast
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 03:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a couple of old circular saws from the seventies. One a Rockwell and the other a Black and Decker. With a sharp blade they can cut trough 2" material like it was butter. They take an 8" blade and sound like jet engines when started. They're heavy but that's an advantage when cutting through hardwood. There's nothing like them made anymore.
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Crusty
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

And people wonder why the economy is down the toilet...
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Cyclonedon
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 04:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Rigid (once made in USA) is made in China, but Dewalt is an American company that most of it's products are made in Mexico. The batteries might be made in China though.

I have Dewalt tools but if I went out to purchase new tools today, I would buy Rigid because they have a lifetime warranty, even the batteries.
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Fast1075
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have come to expect tools to be imports...but what freaked me out bad was Saturday when I went to the Buell shop to get a replacement front isolator....the new one said MADE IN CHINA....now that kinda ticks me off at some level...but what the hey....if it lasts longer than the stocker and the replacement that it is replacing...I may be ok with it...(the stocker failed at 2500 miles and the replacement failed at 5300 miles)...

The new isolator cost nearly 3 times as much as the previous replacement...will it last at least 3 times as long????...otherwise, I will have to figure out how to install them with velcro or dzus fasteners or something....thats it!!! quick change front isolators....or since it's chinese...is that isorater??

(Message edited by fast1075 on March 02, 2009)
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Just_ziptab
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 06:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

OLD tools is where it's at in quality. You can find them on eBay and at household auctions. Look for clean ones that appear to be well taken care of. I have a radial arm saw and a planer made in the 50's. Cast iron, bullet proof.
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Nevrenuf
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 07:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

my porter cable builders saw is atleast 25 yrs old and this is the saw i still use for fine cutting. it hasn't had anything but a trim blade on it(usually freud) for over 20 yrs. that's why i got a worm drive for. b&d used to have the best worm drive out there, bar none.
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Leftcoastal
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 08:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yo - SPIDEY -

You didn't happen to install that blade backwards, by any chance, didja?

As a woodworking professional for about 30 years now, lets just say that I've managed to observe that happening, and it rips all the damn teeth off the blade, toot sweet.

Not that I would ever do such a dumb thing, of course, (NOT ME! - I'm WAY too smart - really!!) but when something like that happens on your $150 scoring blade on your sliding table panel saw, it will really harsh yer day.

Wish I could've blamed that on one of the woikers but I was alone that day - OOPS!

AL
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 08:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I hope this thread opens some eyes. We as a country are in big trouble. Have been for a long time.

All thats about to "change" though. With higher taxes and more regulation coupled with higher taxed energy large corporations that sent work away will be begging to come back and set up shop.
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 07:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

DeWalt is owned by Black and Decker
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Cruisin
Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

+1 on the heavy duty old tools...

I had to help a friend move...a piano and an old planer. I think the piano was easier, and probably lighter. That thing was solid!
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