| Author | Message | ||
     Boney95 |
I was at a funeral yesterday and one of the Marines doing the military ceremony for the deceased Marine was a Sgt with 4 service strips (16 yrs) on his Dress Blue sleeves. How in the hell is that possible? Ok I figured he may have gotten busted down, but more than twice? I know in the infantry, promotion is or was a bit harder to come by than other MOS's, but what the hell. If the dude did get busted down more than once would they even let him reenlist? Christ, there was a Staff Sgt there with only one service strip! I've never seen that before. My Plt Sgt only made Gunny after 16+ years in and he was a pretty sh!t hot Marine. Any thoughts or possible scenarios. | ||
| Eboos |
He could have been prior service with a gap in service periods or he could have been prior service/other service. | ||
| Barker |
I work with a E-4 that has been in for 18 years. He stays an E-4 so he can keep his mos/slot. He really likes his job. I also work with a CW2 giving up his commission and flight slot to become a E4 (his rank before his commission). That guy I don't understand. Lotta weird stuff out there. (Message edited by barker on February 27, 2009) | ||
| Boney95 |
The service gap could be possible. But you only loose one rank upon reenlisting. I would have thought they wouldn't even let someone stay at a particular rank without promotion, never would have thought that was possible. Figured once your score met the promotion requirement you automatically got promoted, but you can decline it hey. That guy is missing out on a lot of money! | ||
| Wardan123 |
Promotions come slow in the reserves as well. Maybe he spent some time there. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
on one ship that i was on, we had an engineman that was an e-4 after like 17yrs and on another ship we had who at that time was the youngest person to make chief during peace time who was also on the presidential yacht back in the day. talking about being AJ squared away. you never know what had happened and just the fact that he is still in, it didn't change his opinion of the service apparently. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I'd say he got busted for something..... You're not a "real" Marine until your page 11 has some dirt on it.... LOL... Remind me to tell what starting a riot gets ya.... LOL | ||
| Lovedabueller |
I knew a guy in the reserves. e-5 army. he got GIVEN 2LT Rank just for being the best NCO. in the company. and they needed to fill a slot. CRAZY... and TRUE. | ||
| Hammer71 |
Many factors here. Cutting score? (is that still used) maybe if he accepts promotion he has to leave his post and go to a different area of 8th and I (if he is attached to them) To some people the importance of the job they do means more than the stripes on their sleeves or the dollars in their bank account. I applaud him for doing one of the hardest jobs in the military. Semper Fi | ||
| Brinnutz |
Majority of the people that do the funeral ceremonies are Reservists. There are different High Year Tenure times for Reservists than Active Duty. EDIT: Mark, ain't it the Page 13? (Message edited by brinnutz on February 27, 2009) | ||
| Hammer71 |
Whatever page it is Ive got a few things LOL maybe it's page 11 to 13 | ||
| Patrickmitchell |
10 to 1 he is a reservist, PME could not be complete, could be lots of things... 99% of funeral details are filled by reservists. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Breach of the peace.... Drunk and disorderly.... Inciting a riot.... Conduct unbecoming... It was a good night in Trieste, Italy.... that didn't end well... LOL.. Breach of the peace is the only thing that stuck. It cost me 2 weeks of restriction w/extra duty and 2 weeks pay. The pay was waived as long as I kept my nose clean for 6 months. The funny thing was.... we just happened to be at sea.... for a month! The extra duty just gave me something to do.... I wasn't the one letting fireworks off in the berthing area... I didn't stab the guy that got stabbed... I didn't hit anyone.... I just showed up.... drunk... so what if I/we dragged a few sleeping Marines out of their bunks for a dog pile or 2.... It was all good until some douche bag went running up to the officer of the day in his skivvies, screaming that the Amtrac platoon was have a brawl in the forward berthing area..... then the shit hit the fan | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Mark, ain't it the Page 13? Maybe things have changed... or my memory is fading... its been almost 20 year since I got out... damn I'm getting old! But, I remember them saying/threatning a page 11 entry for any wrong doing. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
c. No adverse page 11 entries in the last 2 years Had to do some web searching to find that. It was on the screening form to become a MP Instructor. | ||
| Ducbsa |
During WW2, my Dad went to OCS and was promoted to Captain during his accrued leave at the end of the war. Didn't like his old job at the steel mill and went back in as a 33 YO private. During the Korean War, they made him a Lt again. | ||
| Hardcorps |
I know in the Navy reserve you can retire as a E5. I thought in the Marine Corps they still had a higher tenure of 13 years. When I was in the Marine Corps reserves 2003 they kicked out one of my Sgts for higher tenure. Navy Reserve has higher signing bonus and better job choices where I live, but their promotions are super easy all the way to E5, after that it becomes difficult like the Corps. Anyone in Kuwait? I will be coming over sometime in the next 2months, for a 9month deployment. | ||
| Bhillberg |
Yes you still have to make e6 to stay in past 12 years. I don't know this guys deal but you can get extended at some times. In my unit we had it go both ways one Sgt was kicked out for not making staff and the other was given an extension (for deployment) Cutting scores wouldn't have anything to do with it other than if it took him forever to get there. Remember as a Sgt it is your fitrep and the zone that gets you to staff. One possibility could be that his MOS was shut down for Staff's. In 2004 the infantry shut down all Cpl promotions for about 6 months. This is while we were at war on two fronts. They said there were too many Cpls (in reserves) So yeah if he has some akward MOS that is filled with Staff's then his might have gotten closed for promotion for quite a while in which case I don't see them kicking him out. | ||
| Chippy |
I thought it was 20 for e6 before they gave you the ok' boot. I take my hat off to anyone that goes beyond their initial enlistment. Not for this guy... | ||
| Cityxslicker |
enlist early, do your tour, get out, miss the academy slot, go to college, get called back in, apply for OCS, get medded out, back in for the latest war, switch services, do a tour, follow the bonus to another service and take an early out when they want you to change MOS's ... Thats how it happened to me. You want to make rank fast, join the Navy, I was E-5 before I could drink. | ||
| Bhillberg |
I thought it was 20 for e6 before they gave you the ok' boot. Nope, you gotta make Staff Sgt if you want to stay in past twelve. I think you have to make Cpl by 4 or so if you want to stay in. It makes sense when you think about it, don't want a bunch of 20 year Lance Coolies running around.... gotta drum out the shit bags at some point. Not that this Sgt was a shit bag. | ||
| Chippy |
I stand corrected. Maybe said dude's a px hero, who knows? | ||
| Southern Marine |
Most likely Reserves. With the way things are today, he could have received a waiver to stay in. | ||
| Eboos |
Correct. When I was promoted to SSgt after 7 years, there were many Sgt's with 12 that were on their way out that were pretty pissed off at me. Too freakin bad shitbirds. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
Reservists may get service stripes on a different schedule than this, but I know their time in service clock counts either 1/3 or 1/4 as fast as Active Duty. That way you can't do 20 years worth of weekends then retire with the same benefits as 20 years Active Duty service. An E-4 in the Navy can only stay in for 8 years, but high year tenure may be different for the Marines. Waivers are always an exception as well. "You want to make rank fast, join the Navy, I was E-5 before I could drink." Oh so true.. for anyone who can take tests the Navy is the place to be. No boards until you're up for E-7, and even with the new formulas for calculating your final advancement score it seems like test scores are still the deciding factor. I made E-4 my first time up with no award points, and less than 9 months of time in rate. Missed E-5 by 4 points last September with the same 0 award points and very low time in rate. (It's hard to get award points when you're in the Navy but have never seen a ship) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
(It's hard to get award points when you're in the Navy but have never seen a ship) Ah chest salad. When you are sailing U.S.S. Bldg you rarely get it, All the stuff I had was the service medals and longevity medals. Sucks seeing an E-2 coming off his first cruise with a row and a half. "Haze Grey and Away".... Not for my NECs | ||
| Bhillberg |
Reservists get service stripes after 4 years just like active. Yes the formula for retirement is different because it wouldn't be fair to give us a full retirement and impossible to do a full 20 years worth of weekends. When activated though you get however long you were activated towards retirement. It could easily end up at the end of doing 20 in the reserves as having say 5 years worth of active retirement (if activated 5 times, also remember boot and your initial schooling is active time) and 15 years on the reserve, lesser % of retirement. I know that including boot, school of infantry, a little over a month in Israel and my deployment out of my first 3 years in the reserves I had about 2 to 2.5 years of active time. Some guys volunteer to go to other units to re activate quicker but mine will deploy after about 3 years of "home time" | ||
| Bills3t |
I believe it has a lot to do with your mos and where you are pulling duty.Thirty years ago when president Carter put a freeze on promotions there was a lot of us cpls and lcpls filling ssgt and sgt billets at Pearl Harbor, then I was with 2nd btn /8th marines on a the IWO JIMA seemed like everyone was a cpl. And it is true your are not a marine till you have stood tall in front of the capt. kinda goes with the first recruiting station being a bar. SEMPER FI | ||
| Teddagreek |
It so depends on your MOS... If you have a very full and small MOS it can take you much longer because there are only so many slots.. When I was in I saw a bunch of guys retire at 20 as staff Sargent's... I admit a few of those guys didn't play the game. | ||
| Bhillberg |
It so depends on your MOS... And if you are admin.... keeping track of your OWN records somehow you are a Sgt by the third year!! Seems to work that way at least. |
