| Author | Message | ||
     Jaimec |
Sorry if this has been posted before... is it possible to get the Euro sidestand switch retrofitted to an American model? | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
? Does that kill the bike if the stand is down? | ||
| Jaimec |
If the bike is put into gear with the sidestand down then yes, that is it's purpose. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
probably would cost more than it's worth. If riding around with your kickstand down is that big of a problem, make a sticker that says "KICKSTAND" and put it on top of the triple clamp. | ||
| Teach |
Badlionsfan, the simplest solution is the best solution... | ||
| Fresnobuell |
The kickstand is designed to flip up right? | ||
| P_squared |
Yes, it is. And yes, it does. DAMHIK | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
As this has rattled around in my noggin, I remember seeing a field in the diag mode for "sidestand voltage" or something like that. I bet the switch is there, but it's a programming thing. Simple for the switch to tell the ECM what to do given a certain circumstance... R | ||
| Ccryder |
That's what that threaded mount is for down there by the side stand, Duh! Yep all that brain power that BMC used to make a side stand that will retract first time it scrapes, just put aside for a simple switch. ;+} | ||
| Jaimec |
I just thought of it this past weekend when my buddy and I swapped bikes (he has a Ducati 749S). Like most Euro bikes, the engine dies if he puts the side stand down with the bike in gear. It's actually the way he shuts his bike down. Obviously, it didn't work with the 1125R and he almost launched himself... Even though all of my BMWs and Yamahas have had the sidestand cutout (or some mechanism to guarantee you won't ride off with your sidestand) I still use the thumb switch to kill the engine. Guess it's ingrained from my MSF RiderCoach training. | ||
| Buellhusker |
My 1998 S1WL had a side stand switch to kill the bike if you put it in gear with the side stand down. And the side stand on that would not retract if it touched. | ||
| Gearhead571 |
Alway put your friends bike in neutral too after taking it for a test ride. My buddy almost put his v-rod into my garage door after letting another friend take it for a cruise. He should have used the clutch when starting the bike. My friend was coming off a Honda and left the rod in gear. FYI-Harley doesn't use a neutral safety switch. First thing they tell you when you buy one is always use the clutch when starting the bike. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Like most Euro bikes, the engine dies if he puts the side stand down with the bike in gear. It's actually the way he shuts his bike down. Obviously, it didn't work with the 1125R and he almost launched himself... Sounds like his bad habit caught up with him. I am glad the Buell doesn't have that sidestand switch. Seems needless to me, esp with the design of the sidestand to retract if it touches down | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
well i wish it had it on it, i rode around for about 100yrds. hearing a scraping noise to find out it was my dang kickstand, my didnt retract.. Jake | ||
| Zac4mac |
HDI - International(England, Europe) Y0800.1AMC switch, sidestand(w/ harness) <edit> ouch... Retail Price: $84.55 US parts - A06020.2CVB - bolt That would take care of the physical parts, might also need an EU flash to activate, maybe not. <edit> I have ridden with mine down a couple of times, I still hate sidestand switches. Z (Message edited by zac4mac on February 03, 2009) (Message edited by zac4mac on February 03, 2009) | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Side stand switch = one more part that could fail and leave you stranded. You might feel like a douche riding around with your kick stand down, but it beats loading your bike into a truck at a gas station due to a part that you put on failing. The electronics on bikes are already way too complicated and arguably fragile. Why set yourself up to make it worse? | ||
| Ccryder |
Back in the Tuber days we had many issues with the side stand switch. Many ended up being jumpered out due to failures. With some "spirited" riding it could even cause the engine to cut out (rather unerveing to grab a little air and find out that your engine cut out on a hard landing, how do you spell p-u-c-k-e-r?) I still praise Buell engineering on their current design. | ||
| Jaimec |
Badlionsfan: Sidestand switches aren't rocket science. Hell, Yamaha has had them since at least 1981 (my 1982 XJ550RJ had one). If they haven't been perfected by now what hope do we have for the rest of the bike??? I'd rather be embarrassed at the gas station having the engine stall when I put the bike in gear than wake up (if I'm LUCKY) in an ambulance somewhere. I've seen some UGLY accidents involving sidestands that did NOT retract when the rider made a quick swerve to the left on Hondas (which also had stands that were "supposed" to retract; they only worked correctly on gradual turns not HARD ones). I would THINK (I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV either) that Buell is setting themselves up for a potential lawsuit if a rider gets injured in the States because he STUPIDLY rode off with his sidestand down, and some sharp lawyer picks up on the fact that it would NEVER have happened in Europe... | ||
| Ccryder |
Hmm, I looked left and I looked right and this ain't Europe. Different laws, different places. I have left mine down and it pops up pretty quickly w/o vaulting you like some other stands will do. | ||
| Jaimec |
Doesn't matter. If the technology exists, then it can be argued that Buell was negligent in excluding it for their American customers. If you honestly don't believe this, then you haven't been paying attention to the courts over the last 20 years... | ||
| Fresnobuell |
What about all the 1000's of XBs that don't have the sidestand switches? any lawsuits from that crowd? I agree one less part to fail. Although it would give us another subject to discuss here during the cold months--"Jumpering the sidestand switch." There are things safety related things that are important and worth fighting for. This isn't one of them. A sidestand switch reminds me alot of California legislature--inconvenience millions of people in an attempt stop the couple that f up. | ||
| Gearhead571 |
Suing BMC because you improperly operated your vehicle is as bad as suing McDonald's for burning yourself on "hot" coffee. If you can't operate a kickstand you probably shouldn't operate a motorcycle for your own safety. Guess its natures way of ridding us of the intellectually deficient. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
If you can't operate a kickstand you probably shouldn't operate a motorcycle for your own safety. Guess its natures way of ridding us of the intellectually deficient That thought crossed my mind too. Another way to look at it is a slow speed kickstand induced crash is better than a high speed operator error induced crash. Take it as a sign that maybe riding a motorcycle isn't for you. | ||
| Jaimec |
If the Euro XBs have sidestand cutout switches then yes, they have the same exposure in the American court system. Hey, I'm not saying I AGREE with all this, I'm just saying the potential is out there. I have a couple of lawyer friends who've made a LOT of money on the stupidity of the average American and a gullible jury. Argue and protest all you want, it's the way it is. I've always wondered how someone could sue for large sums of money because they slipped on a patch of ice. For crying out loud, common sense should tell you if it's cold out and there's snow and ice MAYBE you should watch where you're going?? It doesn't matter... people have signed away common sense and personal responsibility for short term financial gains all over this great country of ours. Back to the original topic: If the Euro switch were available at a reasonable price AND it was fairly easy to install I'd be a customer for one. That's all. Although I've been an MSF Instructor/RiderCoach since 1990 and always practice what I preach I am ALSO human and on occasion have forgotten to pick up the sidestand before putting the bike in gear. This was only exacerbated by my first two BMWs which automatically raised the sidestand for you (the K100 sidestand came up when you squeezed the clutch, and the R100RT had the infamous BMW spring-loaded sidestand). Thanks to those two bikes, I'd gotten out of the habit of kicking up the stand with my heel after I sat down because I didn't have to. Thankfully, both my Yamaha Venture Royale and K1200LT had the sidestand cutout that killed the engine if I was stupid enough to engage first gear with the sidestand down. For the most part, I've gotten back in the habit of lifting the stand after I swing the bike up into a vertical position but I do on occasion have lapses. | ||
| Court |
I have a box of "flippers" somewhere . . . I'll try to post a photo. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
So, could I sue Buell if I were to forget to put my feet down when I stop and fall over? I mean, it is the design on the bike (only two wheels) that caused it to fall, not me forgetting to put my feet down. Just playing devils advocate on the issue. | ||
| Zac4mac |
I was happy I didn't pay any more for a part I would remove on receipt. I had the sidestand switch strand me on the road on my XB9R... Until I found a Budweiser can and made a jumper. Z | ||
| Court |
Ahhhhhh . .. all I had to do was dig into the pockets of a couple of the Aerostich Roadcrafters for these fine memories . . I used to carry a "Sportster starter" as well. . .  | ||
| Ccryder |
Court how did you ever walk in that "Stitch" with all that hardware and foodstuffs weighing you down? Now I know why they added bags to the S2, Court needed more storage space! | ||
| Jaimec |
"Flippers?" | ||
| Court |
Neil: I got a laugh a while back . . . I found some of my files with all my test logs from 1997. I kept digging in the box and found the still road ready tank bag from my famed factory black S3T and got a kick out of digging through the stuff that, over a period of a couple years, I accumualted for road missions. I still laugh whenever I think of those bikes . . . the green S3T (#0001) was the one I exploded that yielded a lot of info about pistons in bikes going to Europe and it's also the one that . . . er, I tried to run on diesel fuel. The black bike reminded me of the night that Erik and I had to appear at some high falootin event at a ritzy Milwaukee hotel with some HD execs. We both left the factory an hour late, in light rain, and had a "spirited" 40 minute ride to the event. Everyone else was in suits and we were . . . well, ugly . . in damp t-shirts and blue jeans. When it was over, we walked outside to find a torential downfall. . . Erik, lamenting his 25 mile home, ask me "how far are you going?". As we launched . . . I yelled . . "New York City . . . see you in 3 days". It was the following day that the report came in of a black S3T with www.Buell.com emblazoned on the side transiting PA as "significant speeds". My explanation that I was in the "suit drying mode" after getting soaked while fueling in Altoona, didn't pass muster. I have this process whereby I deny it will rain, wait until I am totally drenched and then, and only then, stop and put rain gear on.  Note to self . . . if you are trying to hide on a bike don't put your web address on the side in 2" letters. Sure I'm an idiot . . . but at least I'm consistent. . . I've always been an idiot! | ||
| Pdccd |
Well, if anyone else was thinking of doing this, just put my switch on today, and it doesn't work. Install was a snap, as everything is there including cable routing, but it must need ECM input to be added to work. Just a heads up... |
