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Court
| | Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 06:17 pm: | 
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>>>>3 times too expensive IMO
Tim was subject to the same commercial reality that Buell was in trying to make 25 S3-T's . . . . at those numbers you simply can't achieve and economies of scale.
For a more complete example buy a Penske shock, Fender Clapton Antigua Strat or anything made in small numbers and you'll get the idea.
Tim was filling a market that just didn't quite exist. |
Capital_g
| | Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 06:30 pm: |
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Court- Are you saying there were only 25 S3T's made? Hope not, I just passed on buying my best friends '99 S3t with PM wheels for $2k. I was with him when he bought it, for almost $14k in 1999. When he sold the bike 2 months ago it had 13k miles with a fresh dealer rebuild, but I wanted something more sporty....... |
Court
| | Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 06:55 pm: |
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There were more than 25 made . . . . but not many more than 25 for CA and I was making an example of how price impacts things . . .for instance the tooling of the S3-T bags.
Let's say, as an example, that you spent $100,000 (very cheap - Dave G would know for certain) on tooling for the bags and then only sold 200 T models. CA was problematic since the numbers were so small.. I'd have to dig the excel spreadsheet out but I'll bet you'd be amazed at how few "T"'s were built.
(Message edited by court on February 01, 2009) |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 07:16 pm: |
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BUELLers:
Since you'll are talking about lowering the REAR END and the jest is one should also drop the FRONT END an equal amount ...
WELL, "i" only dropped my FRONT END 1 1/4 inches and left the REAR END alone ... |
Court
| | Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 08:45 pm: |
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It's my lucky night . . . . I was able to find, among 2700 Buell spreadsheets, the S3 build sheets.
I was wrong, but the numbers are still small.
- 384 1997 S3T
- 587 1998 S3T
- 20 1997 S3T to CAL
- 52 1998 S3T to CAL
Now bear in mind that includes all the test bikes, employee bikes (like my fabled black factory test bike), the media bikes, the Cruise America rental fleet and the movie and special bikes) You can see that it's still fairly small numbers.
ALSO be mindful that 1998 was the year of the "Have it your way" and not all the "T" models had bags . . you could order it any way you wanted.
My point about amortization remains valid however. |
Guell
| | Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 08:50 pm: |
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http://www.cjnetworks.com/~westtek/ShocBroc.htm
court is that the lowering link you were talking about? Is any of the west tek stuff still for sale like the headers? |
Court
| | Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 09:11 pm: |
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That's the one . . . I see the link is on the Capital-Journal networks. I don't think Tim is making this stuff anymore. |
Al_lighton
| | Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 09:41 am: |
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Court, I think 99 was the year of have it your way, no?
We haven't had one of Tim's lowering links, or anything else that he made, in stock for about 2.5 years now. For the reasons Court said. Tough to build anything for a reasonable price in onesy-twosy quantities.
Al |
Blecha
| | Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 09:52 am: |
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If I could develope a stationary link IE safer do you guy think there would be a market for it |
S2pengy
| | Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 01:35 pm: |
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Court
If you find that Westek lowering bracket be careful, If its one piece design it is OK ... I got an early one (I had pre ordered before manufacture from American Sportbike) just to get a phone call a week later from American Sportbike telling me don't use it please send it back.. It had been recalled due to breakage... |
V74
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 05:44 am: |
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i have a west tek lowering bracket,in real good condition if anyone wants it?i did intend to fit it to my 99 M2 along with a later short shock to raise the back end but just got a new ast shock instead,cant see the point of lowering a buell myself. |
Maxbuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 05:53 am: |
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V74 you got PM maxbuell |
V74
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 01:12 pm: |
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hi Maxbuell,
this is the wifes pc and she does all the pc e.mails so hang on for a reply,if you want it i am not sure how to get it to you or what its worth so give me time to sort things, |
Daddyhog
| | Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 09:25 pm: |
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I own an 2002 S3T. It is 1 of 2 or 3 I have ever seen. I have seen 2 or 3 S2T's. At least that's what I think they were. Does the factory have production numbers? |
98s3sns
| | Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 12:25 pm: |
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I have one of these to lower the bike, how did this one go over?
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V74
| | Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 01:17 pm: |
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maxbuell you got pm,v74 |
Maxbuell
| | Posted on Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 06:58 am: |
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98s3 I have never seen or heard of anything from White brothers to lower a tuber. I can't make out what is in that package. Any one know anything ? |
S2pengy
| | Posted on Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 09:21 am: |
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Its made for the orginal WP shock.. It is two pieces that go around the center shock shaft so the shock cannot compress all the way which in a sense lengthens the shock... Longer shock lowers bike... The problem is it went behind the red bumper pad on the shaft, which in turn just made the bumper work harder, wearing it out and it would just dry rout and fall off... |
Kdkerr2
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 11:14 am: |
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In order to lower a tuber Buell in the rear end it is necessary to fabricate a new bracket, rear shock absorber mounting [PN 47725-94YC [old nomenclature system]]. The eye must be physically moved rearward. This can be done by cutting away the U-shaped piece with the holes in it and rewelding it further to the rear but I would fabricate a new piece and weld it on. Since this is a highly stressed part it would be better to fabricate an entire new bracket but this would cost prohibitive for most Buellers unless they are machinists. I think a cold or hot rolled steel piece would suffice but it would be better to have it fabbed from chrome moly. I cannot advise on how far to move back the hole to get a desired drop in the rear end. There is a ratio, I am sure. Perhaps one of you with a CAD/CAM might be able to figure this out? Also one might hang the Buell from a tree with a come along and a rope and dismount the front shock bolt and to see how just how far the hole has to be moved to get the desired effect. Just food for thought. KK
(Message edited by kdkerr2 on February 09, 2009) |
Oldog
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 11:25 am: |
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Also one might hang the Buell from a tree with a come along and a rope
Check NateXl1200's (Nate Radio's) profile pic for how to do that.
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Hippyjoe
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 11:37 am: |
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Is the front shock mount for an M2L different from the standard? If so that would probably be easier to find than an old aftermarket piece.
There was a guy on here recently who was cutting/welding the shock mounts to lower the bike, he said it worked on his bike. He was trying to sell them on ebay. Dont know if it worked out.
Anybody try a long shock mount with a short shock? Or vice-versa? |
