| Author | Message | ||
     86129squids |
Anyone else disturbed about the "happening" of the septuplets- not to put down having kids, but I have problems with fertility treatment as a means to raising a family. (Adoption seems the right thing to do instead, if one cannot procreate.) I haven't heard whether these folks actually used them, but it seems likely. Civil discussion, pleeze- just interested in good ideas for raising up human beans... | ||
| Nevrenuf |
it a reality show waiting to happen. i agree with the adoption thing but when you have these quasi ultra moral people that are gonna pick these people apart for every little thing to make it impossible to adopt a child, then whats the sense in it when your just gonna have your heart broken. a guy who used to work with my wife was a foster parent until a little mishap about school happened(i think). but bottom line was the social worker made an issue that sit well with him cause it was totally stupid and he called it quits. now a half a dozen kids are going back into the system because of some douche canoe with some hollier than thou attitude. (sorry for the rant) (Message edited by nevrenuf on January 27, 2009) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
They already have John & Kate +8, 17 Kids and Counting, And I know there was another one being plathered about, not to mention the "Baby Story" That is exactly the kind of 'entertainment' TV that earned it a several rounds of buckshot. Swore off tv 1/1/09, I dont feel I have missed anything. it ceases being a miracle if you are doped on chemicals, robotically inseminated and bred like livestock. | ||
| 86129squids |
My sis lives in Little Rock AR. I think the breeder family is from thereabouts. When Turd Blossom got the rumors started about McCain having an illegitimate black baby, I knew we were fxckuked in the first shrub term. I've always admired them for adopting, and that was wrong to distort the truth. Blessed Be! those who care for the children. Let's raise up those who are here already. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Economically, fertility treatments are cheaper than adoption. Many who attempt fertility treatments fail to have children and utilize adoption as a second option. My neighbors worked for 7 years utilizing multiple fertility treatments and still couldn't conceive. They have since adopted two girls from China. Two friends of ours went through the same progression and adopted two boys from the Ukraine. I just left a BJJ class with four kids adopted from Romania after their adoptive mother was unable to conceive via fertility treatments. Most of the fertility treatments don't end in 6 kids. Clown car vagina is another story. My sister in law was unable to conceive and utilized fertility treatments. It resulted in twin boys. I can guarantee that 6 kids was NOT the intent. If you're gonna have 6 kids and have to pay to raise them, why not pimp them out to Discovery Channel to get them to help pick up the tab. I sure as hell would. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
I've seen a couple locals that couldn't conceive.....so they adopted. Next thing you know ,a couple of years later..... they got one of their own on the ground and another one in the oven........ | ||
| 86129squids |
+1 I was interested in the fact that there was a staff of 46 to evacuate the uterus. The Politics of Dancing The Economics of Activated Yeast in Procreative Pooting. Family Guy, rescue me!!! (Message edited by 86129squids on January 27, 2009) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Uncle is the best job in the world. Spoil em rotten, get them hyped up on motorcycles, caffiene and video games.... and RETURN em. | ||
| Swordsman |
"They have since adopted two girls from China. " I've always wondered why so many people adopt from outside the US. Aren't there plenty of kids already here that need parents? Not meaning to be rude, I'm genuinely curious why that's such a trend. ~SM | ||
| Hootowl |
It may be cheaper to adopt kids from outside the US, just guessing. I wouldn't worry about this family, they'll be on Oprah soon enough. All their diapers and formula will be paid for, and they'll all get full ride scholarships. It pays to be famous/infamous in this country. | ||
| Ducxl |
They have since adopted two girls from China To the OP,a great idea would be adopting from your own society.That way,the burden on your own state is lessened. Do we REALLY NEED to import Chinese adoptees? | ||
| Cruisin |
Two comments. First, it took my wife and I about 5 years to have our baby girl. Luckily we didn't have to do too much medication, but insurance did cover basic fertility treatment. One of the things we discussed when talking about the next step was multiples. It was a chance that the higher powered fertility medications increased significantly. But it was never the given with the intent to have that many kids. There is something special about having your own child, your flesh and blood. Second - as far as adopting kids in the US, there are two issues. Expenses are definitely a factor, but to the couple wanting to adopt, that often isn't an issue. Adoption records are rarely sealed and the birth parent can come back into the child's life, even going so far as to attempt to regain custody. It's a headache and a hassle that isn't always worth it, when there are other children also needing adoption. | ||
| Ratyson |
I figure that if someone wants to use fertility drugs to see if that will help them conceive a child, then that is their business. Folks who are unable to conceive go through tremendous grief. Always wondering why... was it something that they did?.. Was it something their spouse did?? If fertility treatments make conception possible for them... I'm all for it. But in many cases, it does not. And in some cases, it results in multiple births. I think the cases of high number "multis" is pretty darn low compared to the single births. I also know that a lot of folks feel that they NEED to have a child who is their own flesh and blood. So they don't see adoption as a viable option. I for one feel that blood does not make a family... but love does. My wife and I adopted a beautiful little girl this past year. We got licensed as foster parents, and adopted her through the foster care system. We have never been more happy. My wife is unable to have children due to having cancer back in 2000. Adoption locally -vs- foreign: Adoption is not about "buying Amurican", it is about giving a child a loving home. There are children all over the globe that need a loving home. It shouldn't matter where they come from. The fact of the matter is, when a child is adopted, regardless of their location, they are on the road to a better life. Foreign adoption, in most cases, is quite a bit more expensive that local (domestic) adoption. However, with Foreign adoption, you are pretty much guaranteed to get your "wishes". i.e. girl or boy, age group, health status. Also, you can pretty much bet on a specific time frame in which you will have a child. Foreign adoption usually runs around $20K With domestic adoption, it is pretty much a crap shoot. It can be a VERY long wait to get the child that you want, or it may never happen at all. You have to be very open to what you are willing to accept as far as race, gender, age, mental/physical condition are concerned if you want to have a child placed with you (relatively) quickly. Domestic adoption, through a placement agency usually runs from $10k to $20k depending on the circumstances. My wife and I had to pay about $800 (eight hundred dollars) for attorney fees to finalize our adoption through foster care. Adoption records are rarely sealed and the birth parent can come back into the child's life, even going so far as to attempt to regain custody Actually, birth parents can only come into the child's life if the adoptive parents are in agreement to this (until the child is at the age of consent, then it becomes the child's decision). And the birth parents cannot, under any circumstances, have the legal adoption reversed once it is complete. The only thing the birth parents can do is to appeal the termination of parental rights (TPR) hearing, which occurs prior to the adoption hearing. Once the TPR is done, and the appeal period has passed (usually 2 weeks) there is nothing the birth parents can do to reverse the decision.} (Message edited by ratyson on January 28, 2009) | ||
| M2statz |
Ratyson, well said and well done!! | ||
| Crackhead |
I think that fertility treatments for those with genetic issues only weakens the pool for future generations. how long before all of the human race will need fertility treatment? Now i think that if you need fertility treatment due to out side factors, such as damage due to auto accidents, falling on a fence post, ect. Then that is acceptable from a genetic stand point. | ||
| Edgydrifter |
Sure, Crackhead. And while we're at it, let's just round up and sterilize anyone with poor eyesight, diabetes or a family history of cancer or heart disease. Hell, let's neuter dim-witted and ugly people, too. We don't want the infirm contaminating the gene pool, after all. It's for the collective good. | ||
| Greenlantern |
Sure, Crackhead. And while we're at it, let's just round up and sterilize anyone with poor eyesight, diabetes or a family history of cancer or heart disease. Hell, let's neuter dim-witted and ugly people, too. We don't want the infirm contaminating the gene pool, after all. It's for the collective good. WHOA THERE ! I may not be perfect but I do ride a motorcycle. Oh yeah, That genetic quip was not really well thought out , now was it? | ||
| Edgydrifter |
I understand where Crackhead is coming from and I agree to a certain degree. I think if you harbor serious genetic anomalies that could gravely affect your potential offspring, you need to consider that very carefully when deciding to have kids of your own stock. In such a case, maybe adoption is a better choice morally. That being said, I think it's a personal decision between you and your mate. Nobody else--not the government, certainly, not your church, not your insurance company--should be making that decision for you. As soon as you institutionalize the process, you court eugenics. We've seen how well that worked in the past... To be fair, Crackhead wasn't arguing that we should set up concentration camps. I was just extending the principle behind his argument to an extreme. | ||
| No_rice |
see, now im the guy who thinks the world is over populated anyway and there should be some kind of paramiters on having children. most wont agree with me but i dont expect them to. why should someone be able to have so many damn kids. when they cant pay the bill, who does? everyone else. plus there are MANY MANY damn people who should never be allowed to procreate. things like if your kids get taken away because you are an unfit parent, child molester, blah blah blah i could go on for awhile, or some such thing. why are you still allowed to keep popping them out one after another. makes no damn sense. i have one 9 yr old daughter and i took steps to hopefully make sure thats the only one i ever have. love her to death but there is no reason for more. my gf has an 8 yr old son. she doesnt want anymore either. works good for both of us | ||
| 12x9sl |
+1 Ratyson. I don't have any kids yet, but do understand the feelings going into either decision. I have a brother and sister-in-law that have one child and because of some natural problem with one of them is unable to have more kids. Their problem is they can't afford to adopt or pursue fertility procedures. I also have a cousin and his wife that signed up for domestic adoption, got lucky and after 1 month of being on the list, got twin african-american girls from Georgia. Myself, if we can't have kids, I'm leaning towards adoption for reasons others have expressed-if these kids need someone to look up to and watch over them, why not me? I have tremendous respect for foster parents and the sometimes heartbreak they must see/go through. | ||
| 86129squids |
I had a GF once who mad a good argument for adding birth control to our water supply, just like chlorine and fluoride. Those who wanted to conceive would need to show to a judge that they were committed to the task at hand, could provide for 18 years, etc etc. Her career path was always in childcare- private/pay for service and then later she worked for the state Head Start program. I always admired and respected her views on the subject. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Family is not the sacred cow everybody pretends. My childhood is exactly why I will NEVER have kids. Society will continue, especially with the multible science-fiction media breeding hoopla, my family blood line ends with me. I am disgruntled about anyone that has kids just to have them thinking that it will get them more dole from the Federal teet of public assistance or military benefits (yes they do base your pay on the number of kids you have) On foreign adoption, I have translated for dozens of families that are adopting from the Russian Federation, my warning is that there is a REASON that the kids are in state run orphanages to begin with. In fifteen years, I have seen it work twice with a happy ending. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Slick, There are a much higher probability of getting a child with aspergers/autism/mental retardation, etc. from the Ukraine, Romania, etc. Both of the boys adopted by our friends had aspergers. One was a surprise. The second was not. Chinese girls are the safest bet in foreign adoption. | ||
| Ratyson |
I had a GF once who mad a good argument for adding birth control to our water supply, just like chlorine and fluoride. Those who wanted to conceive would need to show to a judge that they were committed to the task at hand, could provide for 18 years, etc etc. Yikes.. that is a scary proposition. Hmmm.. government adding drugs/whatever substances to the water supply to control the populace. Very scary indeed.} | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
High School girls have been growing bigger boobs for years from all the chicken hormones. | ||
| Edgydrifter |
And all the rBST/rBGH in dairy products, too! | ||
| Cityxslicker |
And the line that got cut... 'I am a afraid its scientific medical experiments for the lot of you' | ||
| Danger_dave |
I just had to raise an eyebrow and my ol' girl was ready to pop. Our kids are 11 months apart. I think IVF is good - it's just like fixing bad plumbing at the holiday house. | ||
| Swordsman |
"plus there are MANY MANY damn people who should never be allowed to procreate. things like if your kids get taken away because you are an unfit parent, child molester, blah blah blah i could go on for awhile, or some such thing. why are you still allowed to keep popping them out one after another. makes no damn sense. " Amen to that, brother. My sister worked for DFCS, and now for a company that does contract cases for DFCS. 90% of those idiots deserve to be sterilized. ~SM | ||
| Nevrenuf |
+2 on no rice with the "shouldn't be allowed to procreate". my sister inlaw has two kids. between the two they have i think, 4 each and neither one is fit to be a parent from the get go. but they kept on popping them out. my sister inlaw will be 53 this year and i wouldn't i wouldn't doupt for one minute that she will be a great grand mother within 2 years. ignorance breeds ignorance. and i'm not saying it was her fault but her childrens fathers fault. my wife's brother has put up with a lot of crap from them two and they just crapped on him every chance they had. |
