| Author | Message | ||
     Ron_luning |
I decided I'd post this question here because maybe too many people would get all upset if I asked in the Ulysses page. I test rode an XB12X back in 2007 because I wanted a Buell (American!) to replace my do-it-all FZ1. I was completely put off the deal by the engine (vibration, small rev range, jet engine fans blowing). Now that Buell has the 1125 engine (I saw the post about the Cagiva), I would definitely reconsider a Uly with that engine. Ideally it would be 'tuned for torque', and maybe have 3 radiators for increased cooling during slow going. I'm curious to know if anyone else would actually buy a Ulysses 1125 if price remained reasonable....I think I would. | ||
| Tnxbrider |
Oh please please please!!!!!!! even if it was only 800cc please please please build it | ||
| Mikellyjo |
I agree with Tnxb...I would definitely add to the collection with a Rotax version of the Uly. But I think the bike and motor would be best served in a smaller cc not just de-tuned, for lack of better words. However...if you think the uly fans are jet engines, stand next to a 25r on a hot summer day after a long ride. Sounds like an F-18 powering up for a cat launch. And what a sweet sound it is. | ||
| Jaimec |
Mikellyjo has a point. The 1125R has not just ONE loud fan... it has TWO!! | ||
| Ron_luning |
I haven't had the opportunity to compare cooling fans on the air and liquid cooled bikes to each other yet. Maybe they are just as loud. One way to avoid that on a Uly model would be to make it a single cylinder. A thumper could work just fine as long as the rest of the bike was made significantly lighter to compensate for the lower power output. | ||
| Ratbuell |
One way to avoid that on a Uly model would be to make it a single cylinder Not much of an 1125 engine at that point then. I've posted it in another forum here (forget which forum, but the thread is "my next bike"). The Uly is one type of bike. The 1125 engine is totally at odds with that. Both are great products in their own rights, but mixing them together would *not* work, at least not in my book (and I own a Uly and have ridden MANY 1125s, both on the track and street). SOMEthing would have to be majorly revised - either the intended use of the Uly platform, or the complete powertrain. They just don't match up to each other. | ||
| Jaimec |
Ratbuell, I've pointed that out every time the subject comes up... but that doesn't stop the subject from coming up. Some people just have to fantasize about either putting a Porsche engine in a dump truck, or a tractor motor in a Formula 1 car... | ||
| Ratbuell |
I know, I know....and you'd think the head-shaped hole in the wall would remind me that I need to not post on it....  | ||
| F_skinner |
I do not think people want a 1125 Uly. I think they want a 1125 Sport Touring bike. In my uneducated opinion, it is the next logical bike. Good for everyone except me because I would have to trade the Uly in on one.  A Kawasaki Concours parked next to me at work today. I am very impressed with that bike and the BMW sport touring bike. ABS, adjustable windshield etc etc... | ||
| Two_buells |
yes, I want one. | ||
| Jammin_joules |
I think they want a 1125 Sport Touring bike. In my uneducated opinion, it is the next logical bike. Good for everyone except me because I would have to trade the Uly in on one. A Kawasaki Concours parked next to me at work today. I am very impressed with that bike and the BMW sport touring bike. ABS, adjustable windshield etc etc... .....................o~'o Give us a while Frank, you haven't even hit your 1,000 mile break in service yet. Maybe by the time you get some tire changes we'll have that 1125 tourer. ~jammer PS. then again, maybe not. | ||
| Loves_to_ride |
i would like to have an 1125 uly. i would think the next step would be to put the 1125 motor in the xt and then retune and regear the motor for the x model. 120-125 hp would be good, with more low end. maybe even change the wheel sizes for more virety of rubber. i currently have an '06 uly with about 22k on it and love it, but would like a little more hp. makes sense to me. | ||
| Dhalen32 |
I would be interested in an 1125 Ulysses or a sport touring variant. Dave | ||
| Jaimec |
Taller fairing and bars (but not by much) and hard bags are all that are needed to turn the 1125R into a dedicated sport tourer. With the seating position it currently has and a set of soft bags with a duffel across the top it'll already make a decent sport tourer as is. I just prefer hard, locking bags. If it had hard locking, removable bags that didn't leave a lot of ugly hardware behind when the bags are off... well... that'd be HEAVEN! | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
One question I have for the "1125 motor would suck in a Uly" crowd is, Why? Once you're up over like, what, 3000 RPM the new motor still pulls like a monster. You could even do a little creative tuning to the system that bumps the idle as you let out the clutch to give it even more bump right off idle to compensate for the heavier bike/load, but when you got it up on the road, you've got a serious WHEEEEEEEEEEE coming. I don't think that it would be problematic at all. My $.02 R | ||
| Ron_luning |
And when you're below 3000 rpm (intersections/traffic/etc.), it wouldn't be like someone put a jackhammer in your ass. My teeth actually rattled when I took that test ride on a Uly! | ||
| Jaimec |
When you're below 3,000 rpm on the Helicon engine, it shudders a lot too... And right off idle, the old air-cooled mill pulls a LOT stronger than the helicon engine. It's just on top where the helicon comes into it's own. Dirt bikes don't NEED top end, they need bottom end grunt and that's what the air cooled engine has in SPADES. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
Don't get me wrong, I love the XB motor. I'd still have my Lightning if I had the room for 2. They would both be good, just different. What would be cool, and not too terribly difficult, (IMHO) would be to leave the XB line intact, and build a Uly-like variant of the 1125. There. Problem solved. R | ||
| Ccryder |
Did, did, did, I hear somebody mention a Sport Tourer?????? Whew, don't toy with me that way!!!! Oh yeah, I already have my Sport Tourer with the 1125 engine LOL. Just push me off to the side, unless you want some picts. Most everyone has seen my 1125rt, A.K.A. the only (hard) "1125 Buell Bagger" around ;+}. Time4Food Neil S. | ||
| Jaimec |
A Uly-like bike with an 1125 engine would be like those big, stupid SUVs that LOOK like they could go offroad, but would get stuck the instant you took it off pavement. Pure poseur material... | ||
| Bigblock |
Just detune the motor a bit, you could still get over 100 rwhp and get that thing to make some serious, smooth low end power, I would think... Stroke and de-cam it, something like that, smaller throttle bodies, too. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
How about a wide ratio kinda thing with 1st gear just silly low, and sixth in the same place? And the rest just spaced a little further? Just trying to think of a relatively cheap engineering solution. That is, if re-gearing the tranny would be cheap..... That would get the easy to modulate low end, and maintain the hwy speeds capability. I may get flamed for this, but I'm just asking cause I don't know. Be gentle. Compared to a "real" dirt bike, how capable off road is the Uly? (Message edited by carbonbigfoot on January 21, 2009) | ||
| Ron_luning |
The Uly is not any more dirt worthy when compared to a bike like a Honda CRF450X than a Ford Expedition is when compared to a tube framed V-8 Jeep. Just like an SUV that you'd find on a dealer lot, the Uly is not designed to go offroad. It can take you on roads that most street bikes would find difficult or impossible (like an SUV). I'm sure that some people have gotten into ludicrous offroad spots on their Ulysses, but it couldn't have been easy. Same in an SUV. I think that most "Adventure" bikes are more for the idea of what you could do than what you will actually do for the majority of owners. To say that a 1125 Uly would be hampered in offroad conditions could be a valid point if the 1125 engine/transmission/radiators were significantly heavier than the engine/transmission on the air cooled bikes. Does anyone know the specified weight of those parts? If the gain is less than 15 lbs., then it would easily be masked by the 500 lb wet weight of the Uly to begin with. (Message edited by ron_luning on January 21, 2009) | ||
| Loves_to_ride |
from my understanding the 1125 motor is significantly lighter than the 1203 ac motor. i've seen a range of #'s [30- 50#], but i don't know how accurate these are. anyway on the street only xt why is the 1125 considered too much motor? detune the motor slightly for more bottom end and different wheels and the x would be great for dirt roads and easy trails. the bmw gs isn't exactly a lightweight, and lots of them see the dirt. i think an 1125 uly x could be a better bike than the gs bimmer with these mods. 3 3 | ||
| Buellhusker |
To build a truly off road adventure bike there will have to be an increase in fuel capacity if you are going out in the boonies you need large capacity for fuel. This is a problem with the current Uly it could use a 2 to 3 gallon additional fuel capacity and a true 50 MPG would help. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Neil, you ain't got the only hard-bagged 1125 out there  | ||
| Ccryder |
Mark: Who else has hard bags? I've yet to see picts of the ones Teach is proposing. I wish I had the time to mfg more of my brackets since I have requests for them. Neil S. | ||
| Crackhead |
+1 for 1125 ST with longer travel suspension, hard bags, space for 2 grown adults to ride, full faring to block the wind, wide range gear box. Kind of like a modern verson if the S3T That would be the perfect addition to my stable. A Blast verson of the 1125 would be awsome. 563 dohc that can actualy rev and is water cooled would be an awsome comuter. | ||
| Chadhargis |
No!!! Don't detune the motor. Don't put dirt bike wheels on it. It's a sportbike for tall people, and should remain that way. | ||
| Rubberdown |
Chad, ever ride a late model Aprilia Tuono. I just bought one. Holy Shit! A full sized superbike with no fairing and motocross bars. A bull of bike. |
