| Author | Message | ||
     Court |
Hahahahaha . . . I'm glad you didn't buy a Porsche, you'd REALLY have issues! | ||
| Lecanadysbcglobalnet |
It sounded like the guy writing the peice hit it on the head. It does need a dampener, it does make drive train noise noise, its twichy, and has low rpm fuel problems but for all it's very few short comings its still a great bike that for a few more bucks spent at the factory would be outstanding off the show room floor. I'd do it all over again and enjoy every minute of my R. Les | ||
| Boltrider |
Court you must be a Porsche junkie. | ||
| Court |
>>>>Court you must be a Porsche junkie. While that is true. . . . I'd never fault any company, car, guitar, bug spray or motorcycle, who is so committed to "Continuous Improvement" AND (drum roll here) has in place a flat enough organization to research, engineer and deploy changes as fast as Buell. Let me give you something to chew on . . . . if you ECM was lacking and you found out Buell has a better one but . . . not wanting to be batted about for deploying mid-year updates, decided to wait till the next years model to roll it out . . in this day and age ya'll'd squeal like pigs. How many times have I heard . . . . "well if Buell has a better solution why can't they share it with us?". The people at Buell who design and engineer the 1125R did something not a lot of folks in the industry do . . they spent their OWN money and bought them and ride the tar out of them. I've got a nifty photo of Erik leaving his driveway headed to the office in pouring rain . . . As a result of this they get, to augment a rather impressive ongoing R&D effort . . LOTS of info and are committed to sorting the good from the bad, packaging it, getting it past govt regulators (the biggest hurdle) and getting it to Buell owners as quickly as possible. BMW, be mindful, is still sorting out the EFI and sputtering FROM 1999! If you want a motorcycle that is improved only periodically and when the squealing is loud enough sell your Buell and buy one . . . there are plenty. | ||
| Sleeper_777 |
I have not had any problems with my 1125cr. I must be a fluke of nature. All Buells are quirky and so are the owners? After having multiple bikes of various manufacturers, I enjoy this one the most. It also brings out the most emotion in me. I love the Mr. Hyde persona it gives me after driving a Honda Civic to work all week. I do not care anymore what the magazines say. I have owned a Triumph, very good bike. I love the Buell 1125CR the most. As I said before and say again, this bike stirs my emotions the most and make me feel good when riding it. I don't need an article to tell me what to ride, I don't need a forum to tell me either. Go ride all the bikes you want and then decide what you feel best on. I have been on Buells since 2003's XB line and have seen the dedication of their employees. These people believe in what they build. That is more than I could ever have said for others I've owned inclusive to H/D, Honda, Triumph, Suzuki and Yamaha. Thanks to the Buell Co. for all your hard work. It is because of you I am a repeat customer. Ride safe and take care. | ||
| Boltrider |
Court, I love my Buell. I was just yanking your chain  | ||
| Id073897 |
I'd never fault any company, car, guitar, bug spray or motorcycle, who is so committed to "Continuous Improvement" AND (drum roll here) has in place a flat enough organization to research, engineer and deploy changes as fast as Buell. Graeat! If they all are so addicted to "Continuous Improvement", why don't they do it? Blahblahblah. Marketing bullshit. BMW, be mindful, is still sorting out the EFI and sputtering FROM 1999 But their engines don't die at 25k mls. ... (And they win every comparison test.) | ||
| Buellborn |
The people at Buell who design and engineer the 1125R did something not a lot of folks in the industry do . . they spent their OWN money and bought them and ride the tar out of them. Those over reaching generalization type comments take away credibility to things you say that may be factual. Don't sell yourself by saying how bad everyone else is. I'm pretty sure there are some Motorcycle freaks employed happily and productively in other companies too. In your world all the turn-lamps would work, all the clutch covers would not leak, etc. Nobody is perfect. We all love Buells here or we would not buy the product but truth and honesty is far more admirable than any snake oil sound bite. | ||
| Court |
>>>>In your world all the turn-lamps would work, all the clutch covers would not leak, etc. No they wouldn't. They'd crap out just like the steering pump on a new $70,000 car with less than 500 miles on it. I just don't spend a lot of time whining on the internet wasting valuable time. I go to the dealer, politely explain the problem, get it fixed and continue to enjoy myself. Works with Mercedes-Benz, Buell, Uniden phone and Gibson guitars. The internet has created a false sense of hope for folks who think they can circumvent old fashion "do what it takes" by going to the internet, "calling the attorney general", the tv stations and chest pounding. It breaks, you fix it. Life's short. | ||
| Ponti1 |
But their engines don't die at 25k mls. ... Who's engines are dying at 25K miles? I haven't seen the thread with "I hit the 25K grenade point" as subject line and 400 (or even 4) people chiming in to confirm the same issue. Rather, I see quite a few people on here with 20-30K in just over a year's time, and no major issues. Reel it on in...Nobody is biting. | ||
| Court |
>>>>Who's engines are dying at 25K miles? No one's. Internet blathery. | ||
| Id073897 |
>>>>Who's engines are dying at 25K miles? No one's. "It's impossible to wake up somebody pretending to sleep." | ||
| Duggram |
It's also impossible to win an argument with an ignorant man. | ||
| Id073897 |
+1 | ||
| Duggram |
That's exactly what I mean. Some people just don't get it. They're so ignorant to the point they can't see that they are and therefore can't possibly comprehend reality. | ||
| Id073897 |
I know. Couldn't let go of such a versatile argument ... :-) | ||
| Xl1200r |
But their engines don't die at 25k mls. ... Talk to my neighbor. He bought a 2008 BMW K1200R new. He had it for a few months and eventually decided to just stop making the payments on it (not the best financial move, but that's how hard headed this guy is). Of course, the bank called him and told him they were going to reposses it. He was more than willing to give the up - he was very forthright in telling them that bike was located at the local BMW dealership, in pieces, as it has been for weeks and more than once because the transmission refused to operate correctly. They come from all corners of the earth. Some may accuse Court of cheerleading, but he's justified in my eyes. Buell has been good to me, and let's face it - you're not going to go to some small Honda dealer's open house and shake hands with the guy who started it all like I, and many others, have with Erik. | ||
| Pariah |
I see parallels between the 1125R/CR and another American high-performance bargain--- the Chevrolet Corvette Z06. In spite of a leaf spring suspension and a pushrod engine, the Corvette has repeatedly spanked Porsches and Ferraris in various forms of motorsport competition (national and international). Nevertheless, you will read reviews comparing the Z06 to the 911 GT3, and some folks just love the Porsche more, in spite of its inferior performance and 50% higher price tag. It's either snobbery or just plain Id(iocy). | ||
| Hooliagn |
And There it is ! The only reason someone would come to a forum of a product they don't like and stir up so much BS is ..........FEAR of the coming change. STOP feeding the Monkey Troll. | ||
| Court |
>>>Some may accuse Court of cheerleading Say it ain't so ? ? ? I'm not cheerleading. I'm old, tired and worn out and have the good fortune of being beholden to no one, Buell included, and call call them like I see them. I have the good fortune to be able to buy and ride anything I choose. Up until about a year ago I had 5 different brands of bikes. I've had a great, as have MOST owners, experience with Buell and simply have, I blame old age, an eroded threshold for folks who whine, complain and generally just grew up never having learned simple manners and decorum. I have a strange and unusual ability to help folks navigate problems with Buell and I, to the extent folks are honest and polite, help folks I like as well as some who I like less. I can handle a wide range of folks but poor manners . . . well, frankly at this point I just don't have to tolerate it and don't. Man have I gotten old.  | ||
| Id073897 |
I like riding my Buells, but I don't like if someone tries to take me for a fool. This marketing babble is nothing else than just slapping into the face of every customer (not only me) who had to pay for engine repairs due to a crappy production and no existing quality control. This starts with such tiny things as a variant thickness of primary cover gaskets, which in sequence leads to a blocking shifter lever. OEM, not third party product. Even if you label me the forum's a$$hole, I won't stop naming what's going wrong. It has been MY money to pay the repairs, not yours, not Mr. Cheeerleader's. | ||
| Hooliagn |
Court..... Without a doubt you are probably the most helpful member on this forum when it comes to peolpe with Buell related issues. By now you know that here on this thing called the interent people will be as rude as they wanna because there is little to no accountability. Keep doing what you are doing my friend. Me myself I like Porsche as well heck I drive a "German Muscle car" but in my soon to be old age I find myself looking at home(USA)for more bang for the buck. Been thinking about the New Camaro......:-) | ||
| Court |
>>>I won't stop naming what's going wrong. Why would you? Ever seen a firm that, as aggressively as Buell, ACTIVELY solicits input from owners, media, racers and about anybody they can get to ride their bikes? >>>It has been MY money to pay the repairs, not yours, not Mr. Cheeerleader's. Who. . . entertain me here, do you think pays for the repairs on all my Buells I've owned over the last 20 years? . . the Easter Bunny? I beat the crap out of them, take them places they don't belong, get them fixed and continue riding them. >>>>Keep doing what you are doing my friend. I shall. It's the nice thing about having a few years on and being in a unique position of being pretty independent. My credentials are pretty firm and I'm in a unique position to be able to carry on some spirited dialogue with owners, factory folks and the Customer Service Team. I've found a group who works hard, does their level best, is genuinely interested in both owners and staying ahead of the curve and fully cognizant that there are times they stumble. One thing I've always dug about Buell is that folks TAKE RESPONSIBILITY rather than try to find someone to blame. I'd much rather get called to Erik's office for screwing something up (yes, it's happened and I have an impressive list of screw ups) than for failing to act. Buell is a very unique company. I do understand that folks really do have problems. I feel sorry for them when they shoot themselves in the foot by saber rattling, threatening, calling the dealer names all the time failing to accurately describe the problem and get it resolved. Buell, as many of you knows, has a record of going back and doing major things to bikes that are 8, 9 and 10 years out of warranty. Claims of "Buell doesn't care" not only don't stick, they are laughable. In the past I've taken folks who were skeptical to East Troy and given them tours, introduced them, and left them to visit with some of the Elves. Without exception they've come away impressed. I'm more a reporter than a cheerleader. I stand by my record and here in the sunset years of my life am unlikely to change . . . I just keep writing, reading, riding, playing music and laughing. You think after all these years I'd learn something. | ||
| Spike |
Amusing: In response to why the Buell didn't win:
In response to why the Buell is consider a toy:
So, the Buell is considered a toy because it doesn't win magazine tests. The Buell doesn't win magazine tests because it is considered a toy. Textbook example of circular reasoning. | ||
| Clarkjw |
Court, the FI/Targeted injectors can be fixed YESTERDAY. That is is not being proactive. I have called Buell. They give me the same BS non-answers. I am willing to pay, just make the fix available. I didn't buy a Porche. I don't give a fk about how shtty yours is. I bought a 1st year niche bike (after buying another one of their FULLY FUNCTIONAL products) from an American firm and shook Mr. Buell hand as he told me I'd how pleased I'd be to step up to the 1125r from my XB. HE'S 2 TARGETED INJECTORS AND A NEW ENGINE MAP AWAY. IS IT REALLY THAT HARD? Quit cheering until they start talking. | ||
| Id073897 |
Ever seen a firm that, as aggressively as Buell, ACTIVELY solicits Oh yes, the were soliciting so ACTIVELY that it took a decade to fix that constantly failing oil pump drive. I'm deeply impressed, how they care. Oops. My fault. I may not mention that, otherwise I do need to supply a list of failed oil pump gears ... singular events, NEVER happened to ANY Buell ... I beat the crap out of them, take them places they don't belong, I don't do, but have to fix them either. Not because of abuse, but because of parts that are badly designed or incorrectly made. I'm not blaming somebody else for my faults. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Say it ain't so ? ? ? Not I - I typically agree with your views regarding Buell as a company. But someone who got a bad experience from the start may not see it that way. Keep doing what you're doing - who knows, I may need it someday. | ||
| Buellborn |
Internet "Court" room justice Judge/Jury back room deals seems unprofessional. Even if I was beneficiary to such a deal I would feel bad for someone else that may have the same problem that received different treatment. Even if the person is upset and not polite, he paid the same money and expects certain things. I know I'm in the minority here as my employer/business associate is not reading what I write here my loyalty. I DO root for the little guy thats why I like my Buell, but sometimes the little guy is the customer. | ||
| Edgydrifter |
Thank you, Spike, for that succinct summary. That's exactly how I read it, too, and reason enough for me to ignore the troll going forward. | ||
| Rubberdown |
I just wrote a check for a brand new '07 Tuono with Leo Vince cans and a remap (plus the stock stuff) OTD for under $10k, delivered to my front door. It comes Friday. I can't wait to do my own test! |
