| Author | Message | ||
     Adoogie3 |
I priced all the stuff today and was givin a 30% off coupon today by my dealer.So I am interested in using the coupon for the swap on my r.Is there anything that is needed special tool wise?Will the 09 cluster which is what i have on my 08 be screwed up by the 9% lower gearing.Like the gear indicator?just looking for some heads up here. | ||
| Sl33py |
what was it going to run before the 30% off? also can you do it w/o the swingarm or wont it work? | ||
| Xl1200r |
also can you do it w/o the swingarm or wont it work? How would you change the swingarm without changing the swingarm? | ||
| Adoogie3 |
ha ha  Xl1200r it was somewhere around 800 with tax for everything you need but with the 30% off its like 575 with tax maybe a buck or two off.175drive belt,140 rear sprocket,39.50idle pulley,424.00 swingarm. | ||
| Xl1200r |
That's not a bad price, really. What year is your R? Will the color match? | ||
| Froggy |
Drive Belt - 149T - G0500.1ATA $175.00 Rear Sprocket - 76T - G0400.1ATB $140.00 Bracket, Idler Pulley - G0603.1ATZT $39.50 K0003.1ATYCX SWINGARM, PHANTOM METALLIC, W/LABEL Retail Price:$424.00 | ||
| Olinxb12r |
I think sl33 meant, can't you change the sprocket without changing the swingarm? I'm sure there is an easier way to get lower gearing than changing the entire swingarm as well. | ||
| Froggy |
I don't know what the difference is, but the CR and R have 2 different part numbers for swing arms. I looked at both on a dealer floor, I couldn't eyeball a difference. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
3/10th of an inch longer wheelbase, or something like that. R | ||
| Boltrider |
Adoogie, jump right in and be the first  | ||
| Adoogie3 |
After christmas im thinking about it.Im laid off right now and waiting for a call back after new years.Steel industry is horrible right now.For god sakes everyone buy a car already.  | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
+1. I had some @sshole in my office the other day (I do F&I for a Ford store) that said he didn't want to even think about a warranty because he didn't know if Ford was going to be here in a few years. In fact, he was uncomfortable buying an American car, but his wife wanted it. I wanted to throw his ass out of my office. My buttons are pretty well push-proof, by virtue of what I do, but he got almost every one of em. BTW, Toyota posted it's first ever loss for a whole fiscal year... The bubble has burst for them. Sorry for the Hijack. Rant over!  R | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I am getting the itch to do this conversion. I have yet to use the top speed advantage of my R and a quicker 0-60 would be awesome. 1) Can this be done without changing the swingarm? Are we stuck with the black swingarm of the CR? 2) Are we looking at a '09 cluster as well to fix the speedo error? Are the clusters btw the R and CR different part numbers? | ||
| Krassh |
1) Yes Yes 2) I would think you would need the ECM flashed to CR load. Not sure if you would need the cluster updated. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Shoot. If we can stick with our R swingarm, it's gonna happen soon. My cluster should be one that is up for replacing, I wonder if I can finagle a way to get one that will work with the CR gearing.....that being said, I don't really know what to ask for in order to make that happen. | ||
| Slypiranna |
Fres, I'm doing this swap...all mechanical parts thus far, best price $622.80 and yes, it requires the swingarm if you don't wish to re-engineer the entire drive line. No word on if and/or how the correction will be available but if a total CR burn is downloaded, you must also upgrade the engine to 09 specs for it all to work properly...which is another thing I'm getting ready for!  ...ANONY already posted hints that this is doable with 08 components and C4bird 's bike is a perfect example. If you don't wish to go the engine and CR burn mod/route, this might work; http://www.speedohealer.com/eng/faq.htm This was recommended to me by a sharp 1125R [redacted] tuner on another Website's Forum. He is also a member here but I'll let him speak up if he wishes! Just didn't want to take credit for something that another has afforded. mm p.s. I hope this post isn't taken as me advertising here, as I'm only trying to help answer questions with helpful answers relevant to the topic. That is all. (Message edited by slypiranna on December 25, 2008) (Message edited by Blake on March 19, 2009) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Sly, Can you explain the negative ramifications of leaving the stock R swingarm? also when you say "upgrade to the '09 specs for all to work properly" you are specifically addressing the speedo concern, correct? Thanks and merry Christmas. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Obviously, the swingarm is the most costly piece of this equation, but I am also trying to avoid having a black swingarm and a blue frame. That would look bad, right? | ||
| Slypiranna |
You'd have a pretty loose belt with the 08 swingarm. The CR is longer to make up for the belt and gearing difference while maintaining the geometry involved. I found the swingarm online for 339.20 + shipping, not out of line IMO. If you don't like black, paint it! I hated the blue of 08...so I painted it!  Not a big job for what you'll gain. The 09 program has completely different fuel and spark maps. I'm going for the injectors as there is enough proof in to call it a worthy improvement. ANONY posted headers too but C4bird 's bike is already proof of this not being mandatory again, IMO. Unless there is a way to just burn the ecu for speedo correction...which has not been said doable, YET, I don't see how else to utilize the CR mapping on an 08. | ||
| Xbswede |
Can you explain the negative ramifications of leaving the stock R swingarm? A belt that skips, breaks cogs and and possibly snaps do to poor fitment/tension due to the use of CR Rear pulley. (Message edited by xbswede on December 25, 2008) | ||
| Xbswede |
Fresnbuell- The Speedohealer is very popular amongst the I4 crowd. This is a common upgrade since almost all change gearing for better of line and mid range acceleration. This is a good tool since its not designed for just one specific gearing. It can be set for which ever gearing you are running which makes it ideal for chain guys who may want to try different sprockets. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I wouldn't mind painting the frame black, however it's more work than I care to do...didn't you paint while your bike was torn apart? So how is the idler pulley bracket different btn the R and CR? SOrry for all the irritating questions, but I am just trying to understand! | ||
| Slypiranna |
Fres, What about just painting the new swingarm blue instead of taking the entire bike apart to paint the frame black?...but yes, to answer your question, I stripped mine for this purpose. Geometry relevant to the gearing swap and the arc in which it must travel is why the parts are different. Like I said, unless you want to re-engineer what would be at best, difficult, stick with all that Buell has already perfected. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Ideas on cost of painting the swingarm to match? And, yes I am now convinced a new swingarm is in order. Sly, when do you think you will get your mod done? Or has anyone done it yet? Just looking for real world feedback or the infamous seat of the pants feeling. The Buell literature claims 0-60 in 2.5 seconds for the CR. That's matches the very best (and beats the vast majority) 0-60 times of any production bike. | ||
| Slypiranna |
Based on all the other stuff I'm doing, one month max and I WILL have this mod done. An 8-9% steeper final drive will be a very noticeable difference! I look forward to it! Instead of taking anyone's word for something only you can understand, why don't you just go test ride a CR? | ||
| Jmr1283 |
im thinkin for us street riders this swap would be a must before any kind of engine mod. (well besides easy's exhaust.) i rode my friend grsxer before he changed the rear sprocket and after the swap and im pretty sure it wasnt really significant something like the cr swap(nothin in the stunting realm) and it made that bike soooo much better. now take the 1125 with the great tq low in the rpm range and u have a bike on ur hands. really exciting stuff. | ||
| Xbswede |
I would agree. Gearing change is the best bang for your buck on a street bike. Now for a track bike (with long straights) you might have to go the other way along with engine upgrades to handle the taller gearing. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
The top speed of the CR is 152, I believe. How many straights call for 160+ mph? Yeah, the CR gearing will work for most of us under all conditions. | ||
| Xbswede |
Yes it will work for most. However the track I have access to where I live see 160-170 mph on the front straight by the 1 liter IL4's. When I ran my XB I got passed by just about everyone on the front straights. Half way down the straight I would be topped out at 130 mph and then I would get stuck behind everyone in the turns. Then pass them on the back half and enjoy a couple turns. I cant wait until this summer and run the 1125R on the track. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Wow. How long is the straight? | ||
| Xbswede |
Around 0.6 miles (Message edited by xbswede on December 25, 2008) | ||
| Sl33py |
thought i'd see if anyone has done the swap yet - any issues? ECM? Speed shown vs. actual? GL! rob | ||
| Adoogie3 |
I would think that the stock r map would work fine with the cr gearing change.the only thing that concerns me is my gear indicator would be thrown off,and the R is rpm limited where the cr is gear limited .so that makes me think that when my bike cuts out at 160 at 9500 rpm 8% off that would be 147 with cr swap and r computer. I think it would be slower than the cr top speed152 mph. But better acceleration!!The R is a richer tune than the cr as I was told by a buell tech.the cr is a leaner tune due to the gearing being easier.So the R tune would be faster accelerating due to being richer than a cr tune .But like I say the top speed would be effected due to the R being Rpm limited unlike the cr gear limited. Just some things to think about people. |
