| Author | Message | ||
     Teach |
Here is the scenario. You do not own an 1125R, but are contemplating a purchase. You have a choice between an 09 and an 08. The 08 is discounted, so there is a potential for some serious savings. But, you have heard about the recalls and and the initial problems that have occurred in some of the bikes. What would it take for you to purchase an 08? (Anything is on the table, but I am looking for solutions that do not involve further discounting. Remember, discounting is already factored into this equation.) | ||
| Jaimec |
If you like black, then by all means by the 2008 and make sure the dealer takes care of ALL of the recalls and updates before he gives it to you. That's all. I don't like black bikes and was willing to pay more and wait till I could get one in the color I wanted. | ||
| Teach |
Jaimec Point well taken. Also,what do you think about an 08 with white bodywork? How do you think the 08 color scheme affected the sales of the bike?? I know it did in your case... | ||
| Eddie |
I own an 08 and it is a wonderful machine.. only problem is the rear turn signals.. they pop like popcorn | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Well I was in a similar situation when I bought mine. I knew the 2009 bikes were coming soon, and I was planing to wait on the white and blue 09. When I went to a dealer's website to check their Sunday hours so I could pick up some oil for my XB they had an ad for 08 1125r's for $9999 plus i also got that $675 bucks of free stuff Buell was doing at the time. Remembering that the bike I demo'd wasn't "that bad" at lower rpms and that Buell announced the third ecm flash would be out in the fall I went for it. For me the factors were, in order, price, knew a fix was on the way and was going thru a nasty break up at the time and wanted to make myself feel better. | ||
| Marshj |
teach- the 08 black and blue did not appeal to me either, white would be a selling point | ||
| Krassh |
How many '08's you guys have at the dealership? | ||
| Ekruizenga |
Teach are you asking about value adds when selling? if so maintenance included(all or just oil/inspections etc.), tires or tire coverage, new body work, accessories/upgrades, paying for insurance for a year, including HOG lifetime membership, prepaid gas cards, store discount for a set period of time 6months/1yr/2yrs, 30 day money back guarantee if not happy with bike, track day training class included with purchase. I don't work in the industry, so I don't feasability of these but here you go. | ||
| Eagle1 |
I like the black/blue frame- I really do. That said, black with the black frame would be far more easy to customize. I really want to get a translucent airbox cover, but the only colors that I think would work with the blue frame is Kick Ash, Amber, and MAYBE Hero Blue. If you went with the black frame you could very easily get the Cherry Bomb (is the the translucent one?) which I think would look freaking sweet. So yeah, for me, if I didn't mind the black/blue, I would totally take an '08 over an '09. Mine runs like a champ, and I think I'd trust the other guys that said the same. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
Depends on if you're a cheap ba$tard or not! I know I am... If you like black, it seems that the 08's after the 3rd flash are as good as an 09. I went with the CR (by definition an 09) but I was damn close, I mean DAMN close to pulling the trigger on an 08 R. R | ||
| Gschuette |
I was at Las Vegas Buell today and they had around 10 1125R's on the floor. All of them were 08's. I don't see how dealers can sit on those bikes for so long. There has to be some rockin' deals on 08s now. | ||
| Slypiranna |
Good question Teach...hmmmmm, Ok, so a new 08 11R at it's already discounted coin but still that isn't good enough to sign the papers... 1. All factory updates should be a given now, prior to delivery, including the slave cylinder/clutch cover leak issue. 2. A two year, matching the VIN's delivery warranty start period, discount program for that new owner to use for whatever product or service that said dealer could either acquire and/or sell outright/install for that customer. Only relevant to this VIN and non transferable. 3. Find a way to allow a customer to finance and afford a higher than amount at point of sale? Not really a prepaid credit plan but a flexible means of ADDING to the original HD finance plan when the VIN owner wishes to come in, buy more parts/services and roll out without doing nothing more but ADDING to his/her current finance plan? 1 yr time table to lock in the final $ amount? 4. An agreed (stock) trade in amount that is only applicable for the 12-14 month ownership period. 5. A new and unique customer/owner participation program. Bi monthly calls, emails, inside info, new products/services, ect...Check in with them in a new and unique way? Get them involved more so and use their feedback, along with forwarding to BMC/HD? Just a few quickie thoughts from a HD financed owner, still, happily making payments on a 2008 1125R. | ||
| Tasmaniac |
Teach i would still buy the 08 simply because it is the anniversary model and years down the track if it is in good condition should hold a better resale value than the models that come after. That said i did not buy mine as an investment it is getting used properly as it was designed to be. Regards Brett | ||
| Buellborn |
I would add Full fairings installed. | ||
| Midknyte |
I own an 08 and it is a wonderful machine.. only problem is the rear turn signals.. they pop like popcorn Are the '09s _not_ doing this? | ||
| Dalton_gang |
I like the 08 option: 1st year production 25th anniversary SAVING MONEY The way I see it the only way you loose is if you don`t like black and blue | ||
| Pizzaboy |
if you buy an 08 right now, you will be paying closer to what the value of what it is after you drive it off the lot. i bought mine in may, and i owe about 3000 more right now than what i could buy an 08 for this moment. i am incredibly upside down. i am contemplating killing my current bike and then going to grab up an 08 and owe less after im all done! | ||
| Zac4mac |
PB - good point on getting an '08. I can't imagine waiting this long to own this amazing machine tho. $12-13k for an 09 or $8-9k for an 08... Get an 08 with a full set of white and red bodywork - Three bikes for less than the price of one... Z | ||
| Freight_dog |
Hi Teach. IMO, the deals on the 08's are great. There are a few other bikes I like, but the value of the '08 1125 right now is tough to beat. Unfortunately I am unable to purchase a bike at the moment due to timing. Two things might get me to buy an 1125 right now; better credit and selling my current bike at enough to at least come close to the principle on the loan. P.S See you at IMS. (Message edited by freight_dog on December 14, 2008) (Message edited by freight_dog on December 14, 2008) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Holy S***, you guys are debating paying $8-$9K for the 2008? Wow. | ||
| Slypiranna |
Kinda funny, isn't it Fresnobuell? My payoff is STILL above the buy in now and I put down $1300.00 in cash. FWIW, here is my Buyer's Order from a dealer in Florida, USA on Jan 20, 2008; Base price-$11,995.00 Freight-$255.00 Added Accessories Internal-$221.30 (Buell helmet and gloves at a discount!) FL Tire/Battery Fee-$3.50 Administrative Fee-$299.00 Total Retail Price-$12,773.80 Trade In-$0.00 Amount Taxable-$12,770.30 Sales Tax-$766.43 Discretionary Tax-$50.00 Tag,Title Fee-$90.00 Cash Balance Due-$13,680.23 Less Cash Deposits-$1,300.00 Final Balance Financed via HD Credit-$12,380.23 With GAP insurance, my payments are just under $250.00 per month. I elected to purchase in Florida as the local dealer here in my hometown of central Ohio quoted me a base price of $13,995.00 when I visited them back in December of 2007. Today, they still are sitting on that same bike I looked at, among other 08's. Go figure... The experience over the last 11 months tho, PRICELESS.  | ||
| Buellborn |
Enjoy your bikes as its normal they go down in price and go up in features over time. You first adapters are the true die-hards. As you say Slypiranna, your experience was priceless. To determine current values one measure is looking at completed auctions on eBay as that shows what really sold, and at how much. http://motors.completed.shop.ebay.com/items/Motorc ycles___1125r_W0QQLHQ5fCompleteZ1QQ_catrefZ1QQ_fln Z1QQ_trksidZp4506Q2ec0Q2em228?_trksid=p4506.c0.m22 8 Here is a Current Offering for people in the market. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Motorcycles___2008- Buell-1125R-761-MILES-FLAWLESS-LOW-RESERVE_W0QQite mZ170286744821QQddnZMotorcyclesQQddiZ2283QQcmdZVie wItemQQptZUS_motorcycles?hash=item170286744821&_tr ksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C65%3A12%7C 39%3A1%7C240%3A1318#ht_15805wt_960 Many keep telling Teach what a great deal it is compared to 12 months ago, but I think his question was how can he move more of them now to people that have not yet purchased. Differently a tougher market now. | ||
| Oddball |
Boy that tag relocation on the auction bike would go over well in FL these days. Nothing to add myself. Future is too uncertain at the moment to seriously consider big expenditures. Maybe in the spring. | ||
| Bobup |
and to think a year ago some dealers were marking up the price by $1K | ||
| Teach |
Thanks for all the great input, everyone. Yes, I am trying to find ways to move these bikes and make them more "sellable". Our sales manager has often commented that lowering prices will not always increase sales. Think about that a few minutes before forming an opinion. From a business standpoint, we would like to move all of our bikes and we are trying to find paths that will put riders on 1125's and find out what a great bike they are. People will gain more confidence with the 08's as the factory has done a really great job with the recalls and sorting out the bikes problems. Think about it, those of us that had issues, now have this really great bike and it is an anniversary model. One of a kind.... Again, thanks to all, we are looking at some of the suggestions to see if they can be implemented.. jim | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Teach, is this "leftover" situation the same as, or different from Buell sales in the past? Are there similar numbers of '08 XB's (also Anniversary models) still waiting to be sold? I'm wondering if this is 1125 specific, or just economy-related. | ||
| Teach |
Redbuelljunkie This is a really good question. I think there are a higher percentage of 1125R's compared to the XB platform that are unsold. (speaking for our dealership) Just a hunch on my part, but could it be it the fact that it is a first year model, plus the somewhat less than enthusiastic reviews from the press? Or is it something we are not doing correctly? Getting feedback on BWB is so important to us....thanks. | ||
| Buellborn |
Speaking only for myself Teach, as a Buell customer what has kept me from making the leap was when I first seen the new bike it's looks made me think it may have been rushed to market or assembled with minimal thought. The big heavy front looked over powering for the smaller Firebolt Tail. The lines did not seem to match at all. During that brief hesitation on my part allowed the first reviews time to hit and the seemingly obvious running issues in my mind fortified the thought that the 2008 was not ready for release. I have no fear of the 2009 but now have economic fears. For me personally no matter what people say here I personally would not consider an 08 model until it hits the $6,000 ish price range due to the time it takes back and forth to the dealer. I do consider even the small things such as taillights a safety issue and don't have the time to keep returning to the dealer between regular service intervals. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
For me personally no matter what people say here I personally would not consider an 08 model until it hits the $6,000 ish price range due to the time it takes back and forth to the dealer. OMG. Did I really just read that? All the recalls will have been done on the '08, so why exactly would you have to go "back and forth to the dealer?" Are you REALLY stating that the 2009 is worth DOUBLE the 2008? $6,000 vs. $12,000. Suggestion: Test ride a 2009 then take a drive to Fresno and I'll let you take a spin on my 2008. Afterward you can tell me if you notice one bit of difference. | ||
| Bobup |
Teach...think on this.... Dealerships that still have '08 inventory at this point have themselves partly to "blame". They have over estimated what their "future" sales would be and now have leftovers. This is true with ANY BRAND of car or motorcycle....it is all a guessing game. So what do auto dealers do?....they cut prices to sell em....even if it means NO PROFIT.....on that particular sale profit has already been made on earlier sales, so this just gets spread out thinner per vehicle unit PLUS....part of the profit taking occurs in the financing....there is a reason HD has its own financing.....more money for HD the only sales that really "hurt" the dealers, are the ones at model year end with a customer who pays CASH |
