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Phelan
| Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 11:25 am: |
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Just curious. I was thinking about taking some measurements and, if it'll fit, weld up a new battery tray to fit an Optima deep cycle battery in when I get mine down to the frame, or with a separate frame if I go that route. |
Texastechx1
| Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 11:45 am: |
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how big are the optimas? |
Phelan
| Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 11:52 am: |
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I haven't taken any exact measurements, I eyeballed them at autozone, and they look about 2" deeper, 1" inch wider, and maybe 1/2" taller than stock. I may have to get VERY creative to try and fit it in there, but the good thing is that since the bike is going to be completely rewired for the Delphi setup anyway, I don't have to worry about mounting all the fuses and stuff in the stock location. I may be able to cut out the wall behind the tray on the S2 frame and slide the battery sideways between the roght side of the frame and the oil tank, but I haven't looked at it too much. The main thing I'd like to do is find a version of the battery that doesn't have the top posts. |
Guell
| Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 11:57 am: |
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I would also take a look at odyssey batteries |
Phelan
| Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 12:14 pm: |
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Iforgot about them. I'll look into that as well... |
Buellistic
| Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 01:08 pm: |
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1st of all the OEM size battery is AOK !!! The straw that breaks the camels back is no mater how big a battery you install(dementions wise) if you do not take care of the battery it will be no more reliable or better ... When you are not riding, your battery should be kept on a trickle charger(BATTERY TENDER PLUS or better) which makes your battery last longer "AND" do not keep the battery in service until you get that last electron out of it and destroy the charging system ... Why would you want to put a bigger battery in if the charging system will not support it ??? |
Phelan
| Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 01:48 pm: |
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I have/use a battery tender, but that's not the point. I suppose most people haven't upgraded their charging systems, so for them there really wouldn't be a use of a bigger battery. This idea/plan is for a custom build on which the charging system will be upgrade to a 38amp system or better, depending on what I can find, so it could utilize a bigger system. The plan is that I wanna do a lot more year-round touring than I already do, and I want a cool bike to boot. I don't want to have to lug around on a 1000 lb Ultra like my dad does, and I love the S2s. I want to make a system that will run aux. lights, radio, my iPhone's GPS, digital gauges, and a full heated suit all at the same time travelling down the highway. |
Buellistic
| Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 01:56 pm: |
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Check out the XB12X/XT ULYSSES charging system as an up-grade which should "RETRO-FIT" ... |
Phelan
| Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 02:06 pm: |
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That's what I was thinking. Didn't the Ulysses have a 45amp system for a year or two? I've heard that the later models went to a 38. I wonder why the change? |
Buellistic
| Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 02:24 pm: |
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Rember this: There is a lot of parts(ie: charging system) that will "RETRO-FIT" to other platforms ... This means that a BIG TWIN "ALT." just might fit ??? Only a REAL PARTS MAN can tell you !!! |
Ducxl
| Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 02:31 pm: |
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I've been watching for these batteries. Can you believe these pictured are a direct replacement and the "Super" battery? |
Phelan
| Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 04:34 pm: |
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Greg, I just looked those batteries up on Speedzilla and they are amazing! I think I will go that route instead of modding my frame. Plus those'll save close to 20 lbs I bet. |
Scott_in_nh
| Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 05:08 pm: |
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I wish you had shared that before I bought a new HD battery last spring Greg! |
Firebolt020283
| Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 05:52 pm: |
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those little things are a motorcycle battery? Were do I get more info on these? I googled speedcell technologies and all i got was crap about cell phones. |
Phelan
| Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 06:13 pm: |
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Google speedcell batteries, some posts on Speedzilla should come up on the first page. The owner of Speedcell is a member and sponsor of speedzilla, and his business website is still under construction. |
Firebolt020283
| Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 06:31 pm: |
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wow those are really cool this maybe something to try in the future. |
Preybird1
| Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 12:24 pm: |
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We are running a huge battery on the ghost rider bike. But the trunk has been removed and modified to hold the battery under the seat. |
Buellfighter
| Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 11:34 am: |
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FINALLY, a possible alternative to the current (pun intended) lump of hugeness. I'll be watching this tread and if anyone here tries this new tech please let us know your thoughts. |
Ducxl
| Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 07:25 pm: |
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You can MAKE YOUR OWN motorcycle battery! The ones in the pictures above are made from "ABC cells". They're buying Dewalt battery packs and "Deconstructing" them to get the ABC cells cheaply to assemble the proper number and get 12 volts.high amps too,for that 13:1CR. Here's a link to the>click>> Danbury Riders forum<<where we discussed this last month >> (Message edited by ducxl on December 15, 2008) |
Eboos
| Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 08:02 pm: |
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LOL! Greg, if you search "speedzilla speedcell battery" on Yahoo, the first link that comes up has the preview of you saying quote:"WOWEY-WOWEY!!!! Cool thread topic!"
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Froggy
| Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 06:09 pm: |
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I ordered the speedcell battery, I haven't gotten it yet but I will be posting about it. |
Natexlh1000
| Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 07:13 pm: |
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That's really cool! Got any specs on the tiny thing? What chemistry is it? |
Froggy
| Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 08:50 pm: |
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Lithium-ion polymer I am not sure if mine is a custom unit, I was email the guy back and forth about my bike and electrical addons, I want to make sure I don't starve my bike with power at idle. |
Natexlh1000
| Posted on Friday, December 19, 2008 - 07:56 am: |
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Is the charging system compatible with that chemistry? Li-ION battery chargers are complicated things compared to chargers for lead acid. |
Phelan
| Posted on Friday, December 19, 2008 - 12:09 pm: |
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From my understanding, it is not Li-Ion, but something different that us much more stable. |
Froggy
| Posted on Friday, December 19, 2008 - 01:56 pm: |
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My bad, I miss read his email:
quote:Thank you for all the details on the accessories your running. Frank the best way to calculate total draw & load is to consider that all accessories are being powered at the same time. This allows to me to calculate plenty of reserve. Considering these parameters my math shows that your total draw is 30 amps, with your stator's normal output @ 3K rpm being 40.08 Amps. Your current battery is a 14S producing 230 CCA.... all the XB's I have encountered need between 170-190 Amps for starting.... . This is a significant discharge. A negative feature of Lead Acid batteries is that a high discharge will reduce their total capacity by more than 50%. So w/ all of your power needs & the high amp draw at start up, your stator is playing catch up to recharge the battery all the while running your accessories. All of this combined will result in low voltage which is a batteries worst enemy. Make sense? One of the features of my battery packs is the utilization of LiFEPO4 ( Lithium Ferrous ) cells. Besides having a very high power to weight ratio (1.8 Amps / gram) their most significant feature is a very HIGH discharge rate w/ little to no degradation in capacity. So Frank now you know a little more about what is going on inside your motorcycle & a little bit more about my battery packs. Due to your high power needs I am going to recommend my 6.9Ah battery which delivers a total of 360 amps for 10 seconds & 210 amps continuous @ 11.8V This will more than cover any of your power needs & will reduce your weigh by 7lbs. Pricing for this battery is: $350.00
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Mmmi_grad
| Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2008 - 08:55 pm: |
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I AM WAITING for someone to do a write up on how to migrate this into our bikes. i think I know how its done but would rather hear back from Trac95ker on how his friend advises it to be done and hopefully hear about his success on getting one installed this winter. TIA Batteries are important I hope more people get interested in this subject and we can get this done! |
Beachbuell
| Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2008 - 10:00 pm: |
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These factory AGM sealed batteries are the best on the market. |
Oldog
| Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2008 - 10:42 pm: |
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I wonder how well these will handle the heat? by the header, |
Phelan
| Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 12:01 am: |
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The speedcell batteries are only good for 120*, but he said he's working on a model to handle 140*. Regardless, as small as they are, it would be just as easy to mount it under the tail or in the cubby under the seat and not care about the temperature. |
Froggy
| Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 12:13 am: |
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Mine has been delayed 3 days in a row now due to weather! I am going nuts waiting! |