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Zerba
| | Posted on Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 07:08 pm: | 
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whats the word on witch gives a better performance option? Anybody?? |
Buelltuner
| | Posted on Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 10:14 pm: |
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both are good. but the most recent popular vote is for the SPY. it has the ability of accessing some things that DL cannot. if the bike is properly tuned with either, the end result should be the same. |
Buelltuner
| | Posted on Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 10:22 pm: |
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i had direct-link on the brain, sorry.
Still if you are talking about the buell race ecm, that is the option from your dealer, i would recommend against it. it will only be a fixed map that you may still have to tune with some type of tuner, so you should just re-map the stock ecm. but if you are referring to the race license only, $850.00 variety, then ecm spy can still get you almost all the same tables and adjustments for a fraction of the cost. |
Stripedape
| | Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 10:06 pm: |
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i bought a buell lightning with a bad ecm so i bought a stock ecm and a spy cable does anyone have custom maps for this and a little direction on how to tune.im clueless and think with my computer skills i probuly should of bought the pre programed unit.rob in sacramento barely running and frustrated....................... |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 03:29 am: |
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I'm not sure if ecmspy works for tube frame Buells Stripedape. You should ask around
on the "old school" board for help. |
Kalali
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 12:56 pm: |
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It works just fine with the Tubers...
As for the ECMSPY tutorials, check the "other" Buell forum; Buelletinboard.com.
There is a long discussion on the ECMSPY and how to use it, etc. Just be prepared to read a lot of pages but it is worth the time, in my opinion. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 03:20 pm: |
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cool! good to know! |
Turk
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 07:36 pm: |
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Stripedape - if you don't have the ability to monitor lambda independently for both the front and rear cylinders while tuning, I guarantee that any map tuned using any software will not be as good as the Race ECM. |
Kalali
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 12:57 pm: |
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"...if you don't have the ability to monitor lambda independently for both the front and rear cylinders while tuning, I guarantee that any map tuned using any software will not be as good as the Race ECM..."
I tend to agree with this statement but even with a Race ECM it is nice to have the software like ECMSPY to perform "minor" tweaks, reset TPS, etc. $wise, its the best bang for the buck. Just my $.02. |
Al_lighton
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 01:04 pm: |
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You're not too far from Infineon Raceway. Terry and FMJ up at JTS Performance there can get you squared away. They know how to properly tune Buells and have all the right equipment to do it.
Terry (buelldynoguy) and Fireman Jim (firemanjim) are both here on the board, PM them, they can help.
Al
Al |
Xoptimizedrsx
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 07:57 pm: |
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setting yourself up to read both cyls is not hard or expensive.
just add a bung to the front. save the bucks and do a lot of reading.
i use on the bike the dual lc1 switched from front to rear. and a xd 16 digital guage. i switch to use for data logging holding bad fuel areas longer.
then at the shop we use the lc1 on the bike with a sniffer.
the combo gets you spot on on the dyno then the road time finalizes the afr through out the map.
there are a few ways to get the afr you need and keep the ecm from overriding the afr to stioch values of 14.7
just get the ecm step to accept the afr lower. then set it up to accept the true wideband data do the logs analize and its as simple as clicking buttons.
once the maps are made set the learns back to where you need them. the remove the lc1's and install a single unit in the collector.
set this one up for a offset of 14.2=14.7 closed loop. then scale everything from there on the NB line in the afr and voltage from 1 to .10 vlt.
its really simple.
ecmspy can kick but if you take time with it. learn the other maps page functions and back door codes. its awesome then.
fuel maps alone keep it at or on stoich values your limited to that. learn the other stuff with it you can unleash a whole new bike.
mike |
Bombardier
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 08:31 pm: |
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When you plug the front O2 in instead of the rear, what effect does that have on the rear cylinder?
Does the ecm make it run richer because it is cooler(the front)? |
Xoptimizedrsx
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 08:16 am: |
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your using the o2 to read the fuel and adjust to that cyl. the extra fuel is calculated from heat.
when you run the mlv it will adjust out flat and rich spots on the front.
then return to the rear and test there.
this creates the best maps for the bike.
mike |
Kalali
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 12:20 pm: |
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"...learn the other stuff with it you can unleash a whole new bike."
I don't want this comment come across as cynical because I am a true believer of the ECMSPY and thankful as what it has done for my bike. My bike ('00 X1), runs a whole hell of a lot better than when I got it over a year ago; it idles fine, pulls from idle to redline with great enthusiasm with no hiccups, etc. And it is mostly if not all because of the ECMSPY.
But having said that, I am really curious about how much better can it be if I went through all the great work that Mike and the other folks are doing to their bikes.
Is there any way to objectively assess the improvements? What makes one "feel" they have "unleashed a whole new bike"?
Like I said, no cynicism is intended, just want to know what I am missing.
Thanks in advance. |
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