| Author | Message | ||
     Cyclone1 |
Yep, its a Torx, and I too remember it being the same size as seat belt bolts....LOL but I can't remember what size those are either...I'll just buy a set, if nothing else, hehe...Thanks for the effort peeps. This site rulz  Frank | ||
| Hootowl |
I reused my allen head bolts when I upgraded to the 01 isolators. I couldn't figure out a good reason to use the torx fasteners. They have a shorter head on them, but the allens don't hit the rubber anyway. Besides, I didn't relish the idea of trying to put 100 pounds of elbow grease on those torx heads. I'd probably end up drilling the damn things out. | ||
| Ccryder |
Hey Hootowl: Actually with a quality Torx driver, Torx fasteners are less likely to strip-out than the Allen head fasteners. Unfortunately there are many low grade Torx drivers out there that after 1-2 tightenings are ready for the scrap bin (trust me I have had to fight this war with my bean counters tooooo many times). The idea of the new bolts was to eliminate any chance of the bolt head compromising/ damaging the isolator. BTW: I have the original Torx bolts in my Derby cover and have had "0" problems (I also put never-seize on them from day "1"  . Speaking of crazy I'm in a fight with a EE over .02 ohms in a 10 ohm spec and he is not even using the same set up we are using. Takling about apples to oranges!. Neil S. | ||
| Jst |
I just had my isolators updated at the dealership and mine are the new style allen bolts. Is there an update to the update??? JT | ||
| Buellish |
Did anyone see the Moto Guzzi MGS/01,in the December Cycle World? Damn!That is one good looking motorcycle! Mike | ||
| S320002 |
"Why should the AMA even be involved in grass roots racing, isnt that what wera, ccs and fusa are for, i dont get this whole statement, i mean if you want world class racing, then you can not have grass roots racing, they are not compatable, ask pro riders about what the woorse part of daytona is, back markers who can screw up a race for a pro,..." Now there's an idea. Lets get rid of the "back markers". What this really means is get rid of the non-factory riders. Okay, lets see... six factories with one or two riders each. Maybe ten riders all together. Now the "A" riders get the really good stuff, the rest of them are just out there to carry the factory name around the track at a reasonable speed. Hey now that sounds like it would be fun to watch. Maybe by the end of the season we could have the field whittled down to five or six, what with injuries and all. We sure wouldn't want to have any of those privateer back markers out there learning anything or, god forbid, beating the factory guys! You know if we make building competitive bikes expensive enough maybe those pesky privateers will go away. Maybe the AMA could pick their own factories and riders and invoke "team rules" so the "pros" aren't so bothered by real world competition. Greg | ||
| Bomber |
there was a time when AMA had the entire spectrum of riders represented in their various classes . . . Class C racing was a noble experiment that failed not from organic causes, but from fiddling from the powers that were, I believe . . . . . money talking is nothing new in any pro racing organization . . . . perhaps the AMA should take a look at the SCCA for a view of how grassroots motorsports COULD be run . . . . . . | ||
| Grndskpr |
Again words are being taken out of context and words are being expressed in a way in which they were not intended, please let me clarify: What this really means is get rid of the non-factory riders. There are factory associated rides that are backed by the factory, yet are not TRUE factory teams aka erion honda, they are backed however are not teams like American honda and nickey haden, or how about Bruce transport, another small team, semi backed by honda yet not a true team, how about EMGO suzuki, not as backed as Yoshimura, so i doubt there would be a lack of competion, again look toward WSBK, there dosnt seem to be and lack of support at that level and if you think there is any grass in WSBK your dead wrong, transportation would kill a private guy Now the "A" riders get the really good stuff, the rest of them are just out there to carry the factory name around the track at a reasonable speed. Do you really think the a riders dont get the good stuff now, please Maybe by the end of the season we could have the field whittled down to five or six, what with injuries and all. Due to injuries in the past pro level teams have brought up other less experienced riders to cover for there lost rider, look at J. Zemke he got a 1 off ride on Erions RC 51 during one of the last races, this may actually help some of the younger riders We sure wouldn't want to have any of those privateer back markers out there learning anything or, god forbid, beating the factory guys! Name a non factory rider without looking at RRW, my bet is you could not most could not, not that this is a bad thing, but lets take it one step further, did you know that some times at some races the field is littered with 750 SS bikes, that moved up, they know there is no way they are going to win but want the exposure, is this really a fair way to race, potentially causeing a dangerous situation due to the fact you want to get more exposure, i think its really not a good thing to have a grid of 50 bikes, half of which dont stand a chance and can do more harm than good, i guess i dont belive in the bump up rule at a pro level Maybe the AMA could pick their own factories and riders and invoke "team rules" so the "pros" aren't so bothered by real world competition What real world comp., again i ask name a rider out side of the top 10, who has not won world GP in the past, without looking at RRW, unless you actually know some one i doubt you could pesky privateers There was only one in recent history that i can reacll off the top of my head, and he wasnt a privateer, he was sponsored by one of the largest animation houses in the US, it had to do with Turtles, could you name him, better yet what is he doing now??? Again i am not saying what the AMA did is right, just some times especially now they have to whats best for the short term, i think there is a place for everyone to race, and 750 ss is about as close to stock as your going to be able to afford, but why do we need to lower the bar to allow everyone to compete, i just dont think it does anybody justice, and makes for racing that is no better, AGAIN THIS IS MY OPINION, everyone is entitled, and as i am sure, they are all valid in one way or another | ||
| Grndskpr |
there was a time when AMA had the entire spectrum of riders represented in their various classes . . Wasnt this before the advent of wera and ccs, a true grass roots orginization, for amatures and pro's, i see no yellow backing plates in AMA, in other words, there are no amatures in AMA, wonder why??? | ||
| Bomber |
grounder . . . . . lots of amatuers in other than road racing . . . . wera, ccs, and the like came into being because of AMA's move away from grassroots roadracing . . . . . btw, you got mail | ||
| Racerx1 |
....that would be Dale Quarterly on a teenage mutant ninja Kawasaki ZX7RR who's doing some Nascar thing now in the north east. Some notable 'Privateer'race wins include, and this is highly arguable depending on your defintiton of privateer, Eddie Lawson on a one off Yamaha ride in 1993 at Daytona . Tom Kipp also won a world superbike race as a privateer on a wiseco yamaha OWO1 in 1991 at Mosports. Speaking as a 'pesky' privateer, AMA superbike class was attractive for supersport bikes because of the show $$$$$ which pays well (for a privateer) pretty far down the field), extra track time, and the fact that that depending on attrition, you could actually place top ten (Brian Livengood was actually top 5 this year for a while). Sometimes the privateer race is better than the 'pro' race. I distinctly remeber a superbike race with Aaron Yates, Ben Bostrom, and Nicky Hayden battling it out, as unknown privateers well down in the field. Bostrom was the only one on a true superbike (RC45). More power to them.... which leads us to this year and a new 1000cc 4 cylinder rule. I'm psyched about this, as now there will be privateers out there with 170hp 1000cc inline 4's (including a privateer named Doug Chandler). they may not be running right at the front in superbike, but the disparity between a true superbike and 750 supersport/superstock bike should be less. May even be some surprizing results.....I personally can't wait! | ||
| Bomber |
I can think of very few sports where the minor leagues are not way more entertaining than the majors (to borrow terminology from baseball) . . . motorcycle racing, as a whole, is NOT one of those sports | ||
| Grndskpr |
Dale Quarterly , was by far one of the coolest guys i ever got to meet, really down to earth at least to me and it was a shame he never got a true ride, which leads us to this year and a new 1000cc 4 cylinder rule. I'm psyched about this, as now there will be privateers out there with 170hp 1000cc inline 4's (including a privateer named Doug Chandler). I thought Doug got a ride, at least that was the rumor for a while, he did really well last year considering, again someone will pick him up i hope motorcycle racing, as a whole, is NOT one of those sports Again i disagree, i think at time i have had as much fun at a local event as i have had at a major one, and if i really think about it, i have at times had more fun at a local level than at an AMA event, but i am fond of people racing skinny tire air cooled hand shifted stuff(AHRMA), watching the pros is cool, but watching regular guys kicking and elbowing can be a riot, especially when your helping one or 2 out but thats me I think Racer is right next year is going to be great, but in reality Ben and Eric are going to run away with it, but it will be interesting too see what happens to Formula Extreme | ||
| Bomber |
I gotta stop using those double negative, I think we're in violent agreement | ||
| Grndskpr |
Sorry my bad Bomber, you are correct as usual, i guess i find it hard to read something that is writen as well as you do, but you are a pro so am i forgiven later Roger | ||
| Bads1 |
What about gobert he's rode alittle injured last year. | ||
| Grndskpr |
And now he has a ride with Ducati, blue by you(SP?) i think, sound familiar to any of the buell race fans, Roger | ||
| Gtagrip |
The latest isolator kit that I bought about 2 months ago came with Torx bolts, but I can't remember the size. | ||
| Jssport |
IMHO, there hasn't been a real World class race series in America since they changed from F1 to Superbikes. A real race bike has nothing whatsoever to do with a street bike. Once again, just my opinion | ||
| Ncbueller |
FWIT Torque driver for most American Seat Belt installations is a Number 50. Some also utilize a Number 55. Ride Safe | ||
| Bomber |
grounder . . no bad at all . . . .communication is primarily the responsibility of the transmitter, I think . . . . . . shame on me, shame | ||
| Jeffb |
 Brian asked me to post this. Jeff | ||
| Grndskpr |
IMHO, there hasn't been a real World class race series in America since they changed from F1 to Superbikes. A real race bike has nothing whatsoever to do with a street bike. Except 2 wheels and an engine  Maybe if we are luck, that track down south will hold a gp event, that would be cool as hell | ||
| Jeffb |
 Brian asked me to post this. He would like to see a few Buell guys there!! Jones New World Sports 2496 Hwy. 14 East Richland Center, WI 608-647-4131. Thanks Jeff | ||
| Cyclone1 |
The hunt for "the world's BIGGEST" Torx driver is over...took a lucky guess (for once) and it is a T60 for those who like to remember a wealth of useless information, hehe. Thanks to those who tried... Frank | ||
| Blake |
Congratulations Brian.  Grndskpr/Roger, I was not making up a scenario. I was abbreviating what I understood from Erik's letter to RRW and adding some commentary. Maybe you should read Erik's Letter again. Why the heck do you think he was so upset and took the time to tell it all to RRW? And to be crystal clear here, neither I nor Mr. Buell are upset with the AMA board. We are upset with the management of AMA Pro Racing, a totally different group of individuals from the generic AMA Board of Directors. And yes, it seems to me that AMA Pro Racing did ask Buell to sponsor Pro Thunder. They informed Buell that the series had lost its sponsorship and would be cancelled if another could not be found. And please explain to me how difficult it is for a racing organization to run with a positive cash flow. The CMRA runs eleven race weekends every year on four different tracks in the Eastern Texas/Oklahoma region. They charge racers a nominal fee for track access and race entries and a yearly membership fee of $100. They employ office personnel, a race director, an instructor, and other pertinent raceday personnel; they pay corner workers when required and take care of all the track logistics, air fence, safety equipment, ambulance services, and such. They even shelled out $60K this year to resurface a significant portion of one of the tracks they use. They run two full days of racing on eleven weekends along with a preseason weekend of practice and racing schools. They run over twenty sprint classes and also an endurance series. So why the hell can't AMA Pro Racing with it's massive sponsorship, significant television contracts, and significant gate find a way to make ends meet? Please explain to me why you believe they suffer such a tough financial plight? They should be rolling in money! Your inference and conjecture have no place in this discussion. Let's stick to the facts please. | ||
| Firemanjim |
Mighty bold to be posting that here after all their secret squirrel stuff at Bonneville.And don't give me any of that you must have been mistaken stuff.I was there and witnessed all the antics firsthand.I am certainly not taking away from his accomplishments--just the way they went about it. | ||
| Fssnoc2501 |
In regards to the AMA, I paid my dues the this "fine organisation" for several years. This was when I was racing flattrack and scrambles in the mid to late 70's. What I never figured out is what they, (The AMA), did for me. I never benefitted from them in any way. They are supposed to be the AMERICAN MOTORCYCLE ASSOCIATION. What do they do for the AMERICAN motorcyclist? They are more like CART, or Formula One. Please educate me, as to why I should care what the GREAT AMA does. The real part of racing is what happens in remote garages across America and around the world. Not in corporate board rooms, despite what the AMA and other organizations think or state. Ray | ||
| Dantheman |
just for the reference you can get bigger than 60 for torx. new VW cylinder heads are held on by like size 75 or something rediculous | ||
| Swon |
Fssnoc2501 brings up a good point. What is it that the AMA does for us American motorcycle riders? A friend and fellow motorcyclist asked me awhile back about joining the AMA. I asked him the same question. There are enough people and organizations out there trying to get my money. Why give it to these guys? If you have any information as to what they do, please post it so some of us would know more about them. All I see are adds, telling me to join. Don't tell me they fight for the rights of motorcyclist...that's BULL! As a motorcyclist I have less rights than the cagers out there trying to kill me. Afterall, it's probably my fault because I ride a bike. If they were fighting for my rights, they'd help to prosecute these dangerous people that run over motorcyclists. If they are doing that, they're not very effective and I still wouldn't give them any money. swon |
