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     Easy_rider |
I'm not sure if there's much call for this or not, but since I've owned a couple plus parts from a couple more I thought I'd start it. Send your info to S3_Owners@comcast.net and I'll incorporate it into the file. Send a pic with it and I'll find a place to post all of the pics together.
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| Phelan |
It has begun... | |||
| F_skinner |
bump, great idea... good luck | |||
| Jos51700 |
FWIW, I've been working on setting up an actual Buell Registry for the last year or so. I've been talking to the people that set up the registries for classic cars and discussing major concerns and benefits with them. It's actually tricky stuff! (I'm not discounting the efforts here at all, they are much appreciated!) | |||
| F_skinner |
It's actually tricky stuff! Yes it is, from my experiences with the MG/MGB and Mustang crowd, there is a lot more info than I would ever want to have. They are looking from the stand point of originality and how collectable it is. It is very important to document everything. While I can appreciate a well restored or original bike/car I like to ride/drive them too much. I guess that is why my 1973 and a half MGB is not worth much. I would be real interested to see what you are working on and more importantly how this can be incorporated. Frank | |||
| Easy_rider |
I'd be interested in seeing what you've found as well. I just saw a gap and thought I'd start something. I stole heavily from Frank's. Rearranged it a little, but started with the S2 list. I'm more than happy to steal what you've got! FWIW, my feelings won't be hurt in the least if you replaced mine. | |||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
Like I said in the other thread, I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but I'm happy to co-ordinate an X1/X1W list if enough owners are interested (I've had one PM already). If it helps I'm happy to do it in a way that fits into Buell Registry. It's possibly biting off more than I can chew, but while we're at it I could do an M2 list as well, unless someone else wants to take that on? (I've received help from plenty of Badwebbers, and the Buell community in general, since I've had my X1, so it'd be nice to give a little back and this seems like something I could do and look after  ) cheers, chili | |||
| Jos51700 |
Given the induced rarity by the chopper crowd, and the general increase in popularity of torque oriented street bikes and "oddball" bikes (What, people are tired of all riding gutless I-4's?), I think Buell's will continue to grow in popularity. I think the unique aspects of the older Buells (Funny color combos, bright colors, low build numbers, etc.) is going to slowly drive prices up. This can be seen prevalently in the musclecar market, where one-of-x-number cars are quite popular, just because it's the only known survivor that's white with a blue stripe or whatever. Some of the more prominent concerns in working on the registry have been: Operational procedure: It has to be strictly based on FACT. Actual "numbers" documentation needs to be present. In the age of convenience, people will be turned off by actually having to "mail" something providing proof. Also, having FACTS to correlate this information to is critical (and difficult to obtain). This is the BIG hold-up right now. Valuation: Obviously, your one-of-three S1W is kinda rare. How much is it really worth? How much did you pay for it? How much more would it be worth if you hadn't thrown the stock exhaust in the trash? Which leads to the next point, Buyer Protection: How many guys on here have bought a an S1, only to find out later that it's an S1W? Well, the converse of that is true. If, for example, it's widely known that an S1W is worth alot more than an S1, all those chopper shops with S1 frames lying in the back now have the potential to build S1W clones and make a little extra cash at YOUR expense! Providing a reasonable and accepted value system offers protection, and offering a way to research what you're really looking at versus what's advertised is important at keeping YOUR hard-earned coins in YOUR pocket. H-Dnet has been valuable in allowing dealers to look up VINS and such, but if you're looking at a bike from a "true value" perspective, it's nice to know if X1's ever actually did come with carburetors (which is strictly theoretical, but would increase the value of those few units by quite a bit if it were true). Obviously, lore has a lot to do with it. S1W "Black Lightning" is about like Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster, to me. Sure there are grainy photographs and "yes I saw one it pillaged my campsite and carried my wife into the woods" stories, (No, I'm NOT calling 1313 a liar, I want to VINDICATE his photos), but where exactly is the bike? Is it really a different model, or is just a custom paint set? What makes a different model? What does it mean if the paint set didn't come "from the factory"? Right now, there are two credible accounts of who that bike(s?) was built for, and where they went, with NO owners accounted for. Suppose you buy a custom-to-the-max X1, only to find some slob put an 883 motor in it and painted the heads black? You'd be pretty pissed, right? Well, what if that X1 was the one used in "Ghost Rider"? Suddenly you don't feel so gypped, and the idea of replacing the 883 fades a bit, as a movie-correct vehicle has more star-status than "It was in a movie, but I changed out the motor, frame, paint, wheels, and seat...." (If you disagree, think:"General Lee" or "Fast n' Furious" for a minute, and realize what the '69-'70 Charger has done in Pop Culture over the last 35-40 years) Another aspect of a registry is theft prosecution and reuniting: There's a motor on ebay, and you're thinking about resurrecting that S2 frame you rescued a few years ago... Wouldn't it be nice to find the original motor? With a proper registry, the choppers that will be swap-meet fodder in a few years can be tracked, and it becomes reasonably possible to re-unite frames, motors, and even owners. If YOUR bike got 'jacked, wouldn't it be nice to know that there are people actively looking at every motor and frame they come across, and checking those numbers? Even if you don't get your bike back, the guy that has YOUR motor for sale on ebay isn't going to disappear like smoke in the night, and you now have a possible recourse. Maybe you want YOUR first Buell back? Where'd it go? Oh, some guy in OHIO has it, and he's said it's OK to use the registry info to establish contact... Which brings up the BIGGEST concern in any registry: Safe handling of numbers With the rise in Identity Theft lately, you can see where this is going. Think about it, what's to stop a guy from walking up to your bike while you're grubbing on some burgers, and copying your VIN? What's gonna stop him from forging a bill of sale and filing that you sold him the bike, but now refuse to hand it over? Or worse, forging documentation and then stealing your bike after the paperwork is done (which in most states doesn't notify the seller that anything has happened). The DOR/DMV won't accept a Bill-o-sale in most states anymore, however there are a few states that still do, and that says nothing about exportation of stolen goods to less scrupulous countries where bribery goes a LONG way (like, Mexico?) ANY registry needs to be: Safe Responsible Trustworthy Secure Reliable Honest It's way too easy (it's happened before in car registries) for a registry owner to "hype up" a series of vehicles ("Oh man, have you seen the prices on 4-door Malibu's with 305's lately? They are HOT!!!") only to, surprise!, have one for sale. I'd like to hear any ideas on this. Obviously, it's formative, and per my personal philosophy, always evolutionary. It's time consuming, tricky, and not free, but I'm trying to bring it together. And when I say "I'm" I should really be saying "we're" because I have a couple of VERY CLOSE, VERY TRUSTED friends helping me. I don't know alot about it, but I do know how I'd want my bike, and my information to be treated in the hands of others, and that's how I'm regarding this. | |||
| Jos51700 |
BTW if you do have suggestions, please contact me via PM. You're welcome to post them here and discuss, but I have way too many irons in the fire to chase threads on the 'net (it's very time consuming). I've also thought of another point. Although I plan on doing this strictly non-profit, It's going to cost ME money (It already has). What would be a reasonable method of not going broke while performing these services? Again, PM me! Thanks John | |||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
Ok, I'll post some quick thoughts for everyone to see, and PM them to John as well. From what I understand there are currently lists for RR/RS/RSS, S2's and S3's, and there are a few people interested in maintaining these lists and expanding these to include more models (S1, X1 and M2, and beyond). For me, I'm happy to look after setting up a list for the X1 (and possibly M2) and keeping it maintained in a format compatible with the other lists. I agree that should include setting up procedures for verification of information. The registry for my car requires me to send a photo of my build-plate, maybe this would work for Buells? One thing I would like to see is making the lists international in nature. Buells have a following in countries all over the world, and it would also be interesting to find out the differences with bikes delivered to different countries. I agree that any register needs to be based on factual information only, however I’m not so sure about valuation having a place in a vehicle register. The register can provide a potential buyer with information on how unique a particular vehicle is, but I believe it is up to the buyer to decide how much that vehicle is worth to him or her. Values would also vary from country to country. On top of that is whether any valuation information in a register could be considered as financial advice and if there are any legal implications associated with that. I suppose the big question is where does this go beyond just lists and spreadsheets? I would think that it’s inevitable that there will be a Buell Registry website, and it sounds like John is looking at this already. Even if that sort of thing doesn’t happen for a while, I would guess that setting up the lists correctly now would make that project a lot easier in the future. Cheers, Chili | |||
| Easy_rider |
I haven't thought any beyond a spreadsheet at this point. If it's a tool for a true registry in the future, great. I have to admit that I'm not the person for that. For now, here's a list with a few additions, and a couple more columns inspired by the inputs.
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| F_skinner |
Roger, I noticed you have a CA or State field on your list. The reason I have that on the S2 list is not because of emissions but in order to keep track of the multiple numbers. For example; it is possible to have number 36 CA model and a 36 State model. I am not sure that is required for the S3 but I do not know for sure. Looks like it is coming along. I hope a moderator sees fit to have all the list in a separate area under Old School so they don't drop off into the achieves... Frank | |||
| Easy_rider |
Thanks, Frank. I wondered about the CA importance for S3 and thought that I had dropped it. Realized last night that I hadn't. If nothing comes of it I'll drop it in a few months. I'll eventually switch to 1 update a month after it trickles down. I wondered about how Blake would feel about a bunch of files taking up space. I may delete a few on my own as long as I'm only adding to the list. In the overall scheme of things, I think we're small potatoes compared to the pics on other threads. | |||
| Easy_rider |
Update
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| Joesbuell |
My mutant added 
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| Mm128 |
I think mine was added. Matt | |||
| Mm128 |
Nope.. crap... I suck at this. Matt. | |||
| Easy_rider |
Send updates to S3_Owners@comcast.net and I'll load them in. | |||
| F_skinner |
Bump! I do not want this thread to fall prey to the archives. | |||
| Easy_rider |
Bump. Things have been awfully slow, and I thought it would pick up over the holidays. Would it be inappropriate to scan the profiles and start sending pms to S3 owners? | |||
| Dave_02_1200 |
I think mine is in now. Dave | |||
| Easy_rider |
Dave and Numbnutz added. Send updates to S3_Owners@comcast.net
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| Easy_rider |
Bump. Doesn't seem to be too many S3s left! | |||
| Smoke |
will be sending info when i pick up my 98 next month. thanks for doing these lists all. tim | |||
| Twowheeldream |
I have a 97 s3.. its in rough shape but its a daily driver, hasnt been washed in 5 years unless you consider riding fast in the rain a wash.  I love my bike and would like to be added to the list. What info do you need? | |||
| Easy_rider |
Send Year Model, Body Color, Frame Color, Wheels, your Name, your BadWeb ID, VIN (last 4), Location, and any Add'l Notes to S3_Owners@comcast.net and I'll get you added. From your profile the bike looks pretty good without a wash! | |||
| Newbuellertoo |
Just sent you my info. (Forgot the picture though) Thanks | |||
| Roco |
Just sent you my info. http://buell.actifforum.com/discussions-ou-questio ns-a-propos-de-buell-f1/recensement-buell-s3-et-s3 t-t10075.htm?highlight=recensement+s3+et+s3t here is an adress in france and we try recence s3 and s3t ,i send the picture of mine it is my first post message ,sorry for my english like a spanish cow we say in france | |||
| Easy_rider |
Roco, No worries. Your English is much better than my French, je pense. MM128, S3_Owners@comcast.net
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| Woodnbow |
Sent you my info, Thanks, |
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