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Ebear
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 10:12 am: | 
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Physically impossible to not have SOME sort of lag , however with a bike you can get that turbo real close to the intake and suffer a spool up time thats minimal.
We are thinking on retrieving a very unique bike when were there...but still making plans. Musicians stay up all night and sleep during the day. We may be able to sneak out without them knowing!
Hows that girl you got hidden back there?????....:-)... ....! |
Denisea
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 11:08 am: |
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Hey Ebear! Hidden? Naw, just watching the snow flurries and being ever so glad I insisted on ditching the oil tank heat system the place came with to the upgrade heat pump - it's frickin cold out there!
thinking on retrieving a very unique bike when were there...but still making plans
yeh? keep us posted. where bouts in this part of the hood will you be? Would say, email but you never look at your email. 
If we don't catch you, have a safe trip, best wishes to your sister!
D |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 12:35 pm: |
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The turbo lag on my Saab is far less noticeable then the "power lag" that results from the fact that you have to wait for high RPM's for high power from a motor anyway. The turbo lag feel just like that, you whack open the throttle, and get a steady strong power curve building up as the car winds out and pulls harder and harder. I was looking for an annoying lag, and still havent found it. It feels just like my inline four on the old yamaha used to feel.
The other nice perk is that when I was pulling a trailer with two bikes over mountains... nothing happened. It just worked like it always worked. Can't say the same about the KLR-250... during a few parts of the Cherohola, the poor little thing was suffering from a pretty serious case of altitude sickness. I can't imagine how weak it would have been on Pikes Peak...
I probably would have been pushing the poor thing. |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, November 28, 2008 - 10:06 am: |
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For the performance difference, I would think that both overhead cam, water cooling, and 4x200cc pistons should have a *huge* performance capability advantage over a 2x500cc pistons that are pushrod and air cooled. Much more then a 20% displacement advantage would give.
"i think the significant displacement disadvantage yet significant power advantage between the VFR and your XB is pretty remarkable, i.e. 200+ cc's less, 20+ hp more?"
Come on guys. Have you not been listening for the past ten years? Still stuck on displacement as THE gauge for comparing engine performance? Shame on both of you.
Engine redline? (Engine Power = Torque * Engine Speed)
Number of valves per cylinder? (Engine Power increases with increased intake track efficiency. More intake vales = more efficient intake tract.
Saab 3T. Nice. Use the sport setting, say goodbuy to the lag. |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, November 28, 2008 - 10:13 am: |
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In short, what I'm trying to say is that there is nothing incredible or amazing or impressive about an engine with four times as many intake valves, and a 50% higher rev limit making 30% more peak HP.
It's just two different approaches to engine and power delivery. Taken to the extremes, we have 16,000 rpm turbine-like 600cc engines that fall flat on their face until the revs climb above 6,000 rpm and then the venerable H-D big twins, that will fly apart if revved over 6,000 rpm but pull like a freight train from 1,500 rpm.
BTW, which one (engine, not bike) is more fuel efficient? No contest. Go green. Go H-D/Buell. |
Jerry_haughton
| | Posted on Friday, November 28, 2008 - 10:14 am: |
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shame on me? for having an upbeat discussion with my friends about motorcycles??
wow. |
Jerry_haughton
| | Posted on Friday, November 28, 2008 - 10:20 am: |
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i've ridden both bikes/engines in question (have you?), and in my opinion the performance of the VFR is indeed impressive.
mileage? 45 mpg was common, 50 was attainable (as was high 30's with liberal use of the whip).
the VFR has garnered more accolades over the years than perhaps any other street bike ever made.
i put a lot of miles on one, and i understand why this is so.
nice bike, is all, and certainly is a worthy target to shoot for, especially in terms of overall build quality, if you happen to be in the business of building high-performance street bikes.
comprende?
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Jb2
| | Posted on Friday, November 28, 2008 - 10:30 am: |
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+1 Ferris
Of all the bikes I've owned there are only two I'd own again... the S2 and the VFR. Hands-down the VFR was a more refined piece but lacked the personality and supreme good looks of the S2. Tough choice. Gas mileage was about the same. A/M product availability about the same. Wow factor at the throttle gives a slight edge to the Viffer and looks factor gives a bigger advantage to the S2. All in all, both are great bikes.
JB2 |
Firemanjim
| | Posted on Friday, November 28, 2008 - 11:57 am: |
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Aw, what do you two know, anyway, darn old farts--one is on a Road King?? and the other a Victory--
Face it, some people just like to argue, I am liking pretty much all motorcycles, they are all fun, all have 2 wheels and a motor, what's not to like. Kinda like arguing what sort of women we like best.
Have a happy holidays folks, I am headed to my brother's place near Angels Camp for a weekend of dirtbiking, shooting, and beer with my girlfriend!!! |
Jerry_haughton
| | Posted on Friday, November 28, 2008 - 12:31 pm: |
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no arguing here, so far anyway. me likey all motorcycles, too.
Happy Holidays, all. :-) |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2008 - 09:43 pm: |
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Yes, for failing to absorb the Blake doctrine, thou art shamed, and a woeful shame it shall be. You shall feel pain in your shoulder and... |
Jerry_haughton
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 03:35 am: |
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i be feelin' it, my brudda!
:-) |
Ebear
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 10:46 am: |
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So thats what that pain is from??
....Oh wait....that pain is elsewhere....
Just be messin' whitch ya!!
Ya Ferris..JEEESH!! A Road King and a Victory????
At least I still got a stable of SPORT BIKES!!
Hey , We just got back...at least I did..TRavis is staying there for a while ...but I guess the weather has put a damper on his travels! I woke up to my first snow in years on Sunday in St Louis.
Beautiful Wedding , I now have a great new family and a family get together this summer in Hannibal,MO.We'll see what happens! Hope your warm and well Denise and all!I was surprised to see so many leaves still on the trees back there.
It's easy to forget how beautiful it is back there...we must visit more.Just so long as I can avoid thet Dallas/Ft.Worth airport....I hate that airport!
By the way , the bikes Travis are interested in now are Nimbus's....He's looking at a '38 now.Check them out.
Oh Yeah...Denise , if you e-mail me at eobarrows@beckman.com I see that EVERYDAY!!!....(got to for work!) |
Ezblast
| | Posted on Friday, December 05, 2008 - 12:22 am: |
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I always heard the VFR was a great bike, but heavy - solid and reliable - just the weight thing kept me away - there are a shit-load of them in Cali North Bay area - them and 650 twins are the popular all around work horses. Funny though - starting to see more Buells and less of the other non - Japanese market - Ducs, BMWs, Guzzis and such - doing Cafe time - lol -
EZ |
Jerry_haughton
| | Posted on Friday, December 05, 2008 - 06:28 am: |
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Ebear, wish we all coulda figured out some way to hook up while you were so relatively close. hope the wedding was wonderful, very glad to see your continuing posts. 
EZ, please define "heavy," and i'm also curious your thoughts regarding the drawbacks to this "heaviness."
i ask because Buells - at least the air-cooled ones - are "heavy" sportbikes, too, at least compared to the bulk of its competition.
i wonder what the exact weight break is between "heavy" and "not heavy" as it pertains to a motorcycle.
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Ebear
| | Posted on Friday, December 05, 2008 - 10:20 am: |
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From constantly checking stats on new bikes I would say any sportbike that weighs more than 450lbs fully loaded would be considered "Porky"..A couple of years ago that wouldn't be true. Nowadays many bikes are actually sub 400lbs when dry.
Dont see alot of difference between Litre and 600ccs though. Too bad they don't build the VFR anymore! I had been looking for that mythical 1000cc VFR for years.
Mark "M&M" Mamone still has his , though with only 2500 miles on it! Guess thats what having children do....you find your priorities shift , and rightfully so!
Well , we'll be heading off to the IMS immediately after work for the best deals.....to bad we wont run into Denise and Ferris there........ohhh....the old days.....See ya! |
Jerry_haughton
| | Posted on Friday, December 05, 2008 - 10:32 am: |
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ok, so if we arbitrarily say that any bike weighing 451 pounds or more is "heavy," so what?
what's the downside to having a "heavy" bike?
have fun at the IMS! :-)
FB |
Jerry_haughton
| | Posted on Friday, December 05, 2008 - 10:36 am: |
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btw, last time i checked there's a '98 VFR at the Honda dealer in Ridgecrest, CA still in the crate!
i asked the owner of the place one time to give me an out-the-door price on it, and it was several thousand dollars off retail.
uncrating a brand-new 1998 VFR (my favorite year) in 2008? how cool would that be??? :-) |
Ebear
| | Posted on Friday, December 05, 2008 - 05:37 pm: |
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Now THAT would be COOL!!!
Think it still would have a Warranty?
And ya know....(and I guess this would be what your hinting at)....for a cruiser,weight is your friend , for a sport tourer weight means stability , for a sport bike , weight is your enemy.....
Hell , I could drop 50lbs + off my Tuono!!!!plus then I could get closer to the bars!!!!!!!
Take care and give that great girl a big sloppy one for me....... |
Jerry_haughton
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 12:51 pm: |
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Take care and give that great girl a big sloppy one for me.......
roger that, my brudda!
FB |
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