| Author | Message | ||
     Wpadave |
So we now have the 1125R and 1125CR, what does everyone think should be the next logical step? I know several people want to see a touring version of the 1125R. Teach at WR/HD Buell is working on building his own from available parts. It should not be hard to produce a touring version with some minor changes. I personally would like to see a true naked street fighter version to represent the evolution of the Lightning. I'm not proposing replacing the XB Lightning just a parallel effort to compete with the Aprilia's, KTM's etc. I also would consider reducing the displacement to 900-950cc and an Scg model. A bike with this displacement should still make 115-120 Bhp. Just some thoughts, Dave | ||
| Slypiranna |
IMO, ala Vmax style cruiser but with the major emphasis on weight reduction and a stretch/rake for in line naked street and drag bruiser....add another 10-15 hp and CR or 1/4 mile style gearing!  Sport T's are already in the mix via efforts like Teach and others...high bars and bags...the seats are already available so I cannot see a major effort needed? Finally, a full out, limited production...RR model. Barely streetable road race BULLET! Single seat with relocated radiators and minimal frontal area. Rework the exhaust exits thru a new swingarm, up and out the tail. Sharpen the lines where they are now round. Just tighten her up off the R version? | ||
| Teach |
We are waiting for some parts to complete the installation for a touring R. | ||
| Steeltech |
The only problem I see with a touring model 1125 is the fuel consumption. In my experience the 1125 has been drinking a great deal of fuel to keep chugging. Sure the new download has helped even it out, but enough to be a touring model? Other than fuel consumption, there has been a LARGE demand for that type of model. The Ulysses is quite a seller. The helicon would bring many improvements to the Ulysees platform, first and foremost being liquid cooling. You might also be able to get a much lighter machine using that platform just based on how compact the engine is. Here is what I would propose. Drop the displacement of the helicon down to around 1000 or a little less in cc. Possible even a 900. Then use that for sport touring. You would get better fuel mileage and still a fair amount of power. I would take most all the displacement from the bore. Wouldn't want to take away much of the available torque. For some, fuel economy isn't a large issue. But depending on the country and how you travel it could make all the difference in being able to make it to the next stop. That's my 2 cents. I was still hoping for a little more 'pop' from the CR. It just didn't seem like much of a stretch. As far as next, sport-tourer was my guess a while ago. Only time will tell. Either that or an 1125 go-kart. Maybe 1125 jet-ski. | ||
| Rt_rick |
1125RR. Make a real Jap liter bike fighter. Really show not only can America make a superbike, but make a world fighter. | ||
| Dalton_gang |
Replacing the Blast with a 600cc version of the Helicon powered R would probably be a super hot seller. They could offer a performance package to increase to a 750cc for people wanting a little more without jumping to the 1125. I would very seriously consider a ridiculously decked out tour version: electronic suspension control saddle bags and tour pack cruse control am fm cd usb gps with speakers and blue tooth self cancel blinkers etc etc etc But seriously the thing that should happen next is MORE POWER! I think that another 10 to 15 hp is the next logical step. | ||
| Ponti1 |
But seriously the thing that should happen next is MORE POWER! I think that another 10 to 15 hp is the next logical step. I'm calling for +30HP in a track dominator! | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
The Ulysses XT with a helicon, and a bigger tank. Totally street oriented, with some more wind protection, squishycushy seat for two, taller gears for better mpg, heated grips, and a bunch of room for expansion for aftermarket stuff. power is fine for this application. If anything, a little more torque from different cams. as always, my 2 cents! R | ||
| Jmr1283 |
im with sly, sharpen the curves. and add more power. and im not sure about the exhaust under the tail, just because its already really hot for the rider. | ||
| Adoogie3 |
I would like to see a jap fighter also like a 1125rr but i dont think that this is going to happen.Lets face it folks I love my r but these new r1s cbr 1000 just crank the power out.A 1125rr would consist of a race ecm/exhaust and the bike flat tuned out and would not make more than 145 hp at the wheel and maybe maybe 95 lbs of torque.this isnt enough. I love my r!! reality check here... a couple bolt ons a a 08 r1 will put it at 180 at rear wheel. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
Factory turbo? Just a thought... R | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I would like to see Buell make the 1125RR--on par with most powerful production V-Twin coming out of Italy. A purpose-built track weapon. Keep the price south of $20K and watch em fly out the door. PS Adoogie, the newer higher HP race version of the Helicon is already putting down 150HP at the rear. | ||
| Buellborn |
Slypiranna Posted ........ relocated radiators and minimal frontal area. Rework the exhaust exits thru a new swingarm, up and out the tail. Sharpen the lines where they are now round. Just tighten her up ............ +1 That would be a Barn Burner in sales Rt_rick Posted Make a real Jap liter bike fighter. Really show not only can America make a superbike, ..... They do not say American Sport-bike on the gas tanks anymore. Engine, suspension Brakes etc all out sourced. engine is the biggest cost of a bike. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
They do not say American Sport-bike on the gas tanks anymore. Engine, suspension Brakes etc all out sourced. engine is the biggest cost of a bike. Lets not start that again. I would be shocked and disappointed if the undertail exhaust showed up on any Buell. Underslung exhaust is Buell and the industry seems to be finally following Buell's footsteps here. Personally, I believe the undertail exhaust is a POOR design--definitely form over function. It seems like lots of new bikes are going to the underslung or mid-pipe configuration these days. | ||
| Chadhargis |
I have advocated an 1125 Ulysses since the 1125R came out. If ever there was a bike that SCREAMS for the 1125 engine, the Ulysses is it. It's only logical. It's the heaviest bike in the Buell fleet, the bike most likely to be used for commuting and touring (where you might get hung in traffic with no air flowing over the heads), the bike most likely to be used in slow going down a two track fire road where speeds will be too slow to cool the air-cooled motor, and the bike which is prone to carry the most weight. It's a natural fit, and I'm a Buell believer, so I just have a hard time believing they would spend all the R&D dollars on the Helicon engine, and not eventually put it in another platform. | ||
| Jaimec |
A WSBK Homolgation model... 1198cc, 180+ bhp, a truckload of torque... I want a Ducati 1198 KILLER! Fuel consumption on the 2009 models is just fine. Raise the bars a bit, along with the height of the fairing, and add removable, locking saddle bags for a sport touring model. There's no reason a "Dirt Bike" needs the Helicon's power... it'd be a waste of technology. The old air-cooled tractor motor is perfect for that application. | ||
| Ebear |
Soooo...What is the "Real World" fuel consumption on an '09?..anybody broken one in and done an "around town" and "freeway" test?? The mileage on earlier models seems to be 30-35 mpg at best. This will NEVER work for a Sport tourer and carrying gas elsewhere doesn't look possible. | ||
| Krassh |
Actually the last reflash for the '08's improved gas mileage. If I recall correctly when we were doing the Zion/Utah loop from Vegas back in October Brett was getting in the 40's. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
I get about 33-34 crusing at 75. CR gearing probably takes a bit off. R | ||
| Jaimec |
CBF: Lower gearing, and the bike isn't as aerodynamic either. That'll also affect your mileage. | ||
| Chadhargis |
The Ulysses is not a dirt bike in any form. It's a sport touring bike primarily. Yeah, it LOOKS the part, but 17" cast wheels, underslung muffler, belt drive, all conspire to rule out any easy dirt riding. Hell, I could ride an R1 in the dirt, but that doesn't make it a dirt bike. The Ulysses is a PRIME candidate for the engine. It NEEDS more power BADLY!! Load up two people on a bone stock Ulysses and go for a ride, the engine is seriously lacking. Try the same thing on an FRJ1300 or Kawasaki Concours....it's a different ballgame. Keep in mind, not all of us are 5 foot something or other, and we can't fit on a tiny little sportbike for a very long amount of time. It's not practical for me (at 6'5") to have a "touring" bike that is nothing more than a sportbike with tall bars. My knees can't take more that 50 miles. I think the Ulysses is a fine sportbike for tall people, it just needs an engine.  | ||
| Fresnobuell |
real world gas mileage for me in mixed riding: 30 MPG prior, 35 after. | ||
| Hogs |
Displacement Increased to say around 1300--1350 More Torque.. suits me just fine...! | ||
| Jaimec |
The Ulysses doesn't compare to the FJR1300 or the Concours. Sorry, but it's competition is the R1200GS or the Ducati Multistrada. Don't compare apples and oranges. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
}The Ulysses doesn't compare to the FJR1300 or the Concours. Sorry, but it's competition is the R1200GS or the Ducati Multistrada. Don't compare apples and oranges. I think that is Chad's point. Drop the Helicon into the Uly so it can be in the same ballpark as the FJR and Concours. I might add that if/when I buy a sport touring bike the COncours is at the very top of my list. I really like that bike. | ||
| Bigblock |
I was getting 30 to 31 mpg preflash on my 08, and 37 to 40 mpg post flash. | ||
| Velocity |
Hey, how about a buell/apprilla 180hp jobber. At the buell price. | ||
| Pariah |
It took 25 years for the Helicon dream to be realized... wonder how long the next major engine redesign will take? If energy conservation really takes hold nationally, greater efficiency (and performance) will likely be a priority for Buell. The Helicon is about as gas-guzzling as you'd want to get. A forced induction variant of the Helicon would not be a huge step design-wise, but could be great for fuel efficiency and power. A turbo could be more efficient than a supercharger (or naturally aspirated), and provide the extra power in the upper rev range for the track... | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I always read that a supercharger is better than a turbo due to the fact that the turbo hits only on the top end. I would say that there IS a market for a poor man's version of the 1098R no matter how bad the MPG ges....that is if the EPA doesn't throw a monkey wrench into the works. | ||
| Wpadave |
I was not thinking about the Ulysses when I started this post, but I can see how this may represent the largest demand. An 1125X and 1125XT just like the current Ulysses could be popular bikes. The 1125X can fill the need for an improved adventure bike like the R1200GS or Duc MultiStrada and the 1125XT can fill the need for a sport touring bike. I'm still holding out for an 1125Scg or better yet a 950Scg. I know I'm in the minority but I still like my XB12Scg and it's barely broken in at 5,000 mi. |
