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     Xnoahx |
Seems like these bikes are more on the same page than other bikes the CR could go against. The Triumph is about $1000 less but doesn't have as much power and weights more, suspensions should be similar, brakes could be a toss up. Both bike have hooligan written all over them and I think are just begging to be put head to head. What do you think? And we all know the CR will come out on top! | ||
| Trojan |
I think there will be a comparison test very soon in MCN between the Speed Triple, 1125CR and the Aprilia Tuono. When they did the launch test of the 1125CR these were the two bikes that they mentioned as being the closest competitors, although I think they left out the KTM Superduke as an important rival. I'm pretty sure there will be a group test in one of the Brit mags as soon as the CR is available over here (and if Buell UK are willing to lend them a bike of course, Which has not been the case with the 1125R). The MCN verdict on the 1125CR was actually pretty good this time, and they do say that the issues afflicting the R have been pretty much ironed out now. In addition they liked the improved front suspension. It did come in for a few criticisms, such as the standard low bars (especially since the high bar option costs GBP120 extra, for a set of handlebars! Does this include new cables/hoses too?) The verdict on the CR was that it is priced competitively but prospective buyers should take a good test ride first, as it won't suit everyone. The tester says 'While two thirds of me says it's an OK fun bike I can't help but be drawn by tempting rivals such as the Speed Triple & Tuono'. It goes on to say: 'Buell's entry into the superbike league with the 1125R was a brave move as this is the class overloaded with bikes from every manufacturer vying to be ahead of the rest with all the latest manufacturing processes and electronics. The same can be said for the super-naked class, which is where Buell is pitching 1125CR, citing the Speed Triple and Aprilia Tuono as two of its targets (I am assuming he is quoting someone from Buell in that remark?). They do a very quick summary of the other two bikes: Speed Triple: Arguably the best all-round super naked. It handles like a fettled production racer,delivering glorious mid range stomp from it's three cylinder lump. The Speed Triple is easy to ride and it looks fantastic. 130bhp 77ft lb torque and 189kg. Aprilia Tuonio: Aprilia's long running Tuono range (inc top of the range 1000R factory) is still capable of taking sports bike scalps. The chassis is taken from its sports brother, teh RSV1000R, minus bodywork and with the addition of high bars. 139bhp. 78.9ft lbs. 185kg. Prices for all 3 bikes here in the UK are within GBP125 (US$218) of each other. Obviously it is a British test and the Brit papers have a very soft spot for Triumphs (as the US mags do for Buell), and given his comments I would think he would pick the Speed Triple given a choice, but it isn't as clear cut as it once would have been.. | ||
| Redscuell |
I use a simple formula when comparing bikes, based on VALUE or bang-for-the-buck: weight-to-HP ratio relative to MSRP. Here in Oz the prices are much different to youse in the States (our dollar is weaker, and we have freight and tariffs that are added on), but with that in mind, here are some examples that (help) explain why I chose the 1125r for myself: The Tuono is A$21,000 here, so based on the formula (which uses the Honda CBR1000RR, @ A$18,000 here, as the benchmark) the Tuono is A$8,700 overpriced for what it does; and by comparison the 1125R is just A$2,600 off the mark at A$17,500. On a weight-to-TORQUE basis, the Tuono improves only a bit in being overvalued, but the 1125R comes in right on the money (that is, the same value for the work it does for the price, as the CBR1000RR). 3 other bikes, the Ducati 1098 Biposta, the MV Augusta F4 1000S, and the Moto Morini Corsaro Veloce are the real shockers @ ~A$12,000 overpriced each for what they do; bearing in mind that I'm reviewing bikes to use on the street, not the track. I didn't buy the CBR because they're just too bloody common over here, and are the domain of 'hoons' (speed freaks on public roads) anyway. | ||
| Ruprecht |
I would like to see that review as well... The Moto Morini Corsaro would be another good comparison, although it's really in a different price bracket, along with the MV Augusta Brutale 910. | ||
| Chevycummins |
Last year 2 of my friends got new bikes. One got the Speed Triple and the other got a CBR600. The triple stomps the 600 in town slower speeds but the CBR comes back and will pass the triple at higher speeds. The triple developed an engine knock a while back and had a main bearing fail. The engine was rebuilt at the dealer and ran 700 miles and is knocking again. So far the owner of the triple has missed most of the riding season this year because of mechanical problems. I have never ridden with this guy so I don't know how much he abuses this bike so I can't say if its self inflicted problems. | ||
| Thedavyboy |
I like the look of the cr over the triple . | ||
| Xl1200r |
I think they left out the KTM Superduke as an important rival. Agreed. It did come in for a few criticisms, such as the standard low bars (especially since the high bar option costs GBP120 extra, for a set of handlebars! Does this include new cables/hoses too?) Yes - Bars, hoses and cables are part of the deal. I use a simple formula when comparing bikes, based on VALUE or bang-for-the-buck: weight-to-HP ratio relative to MSRP. Using a fancy formula to help you decide on a truck or a dishwasher is just fine. But a motorcycle is an emotional purchase, and trying to subjectively come to a choice will likely leave you with a bike which you didn't *really* want. My "formula" is very simple, with having only two, totally independant parts. 1st - I rate a couple choices on how much a bike "pulls" me - how much do I love it, how much does it speak to me, how hard does it get my heart pouding. 2nd - Then I look at the price tag. If the first place bike on emotion has a price I can afford, regardless of what it is, I buy that one. If I can't afford it, I move to number two and see if I can afford that one, and so on. Luckily, I've been able to afford my first choices lately. Hypothetically, my 1125 rates a 95 on my emotion scale, and was at a price I could afford. But let's say a $3,500 Ninja 250 rated a 92 for me. I'd STILL buy the 1125 at more than three times the price, because if I got the Ninja, I would end wishing I had bought the 1125. | ||
| Timi |
Ley the Brits have it. The Rotax is a supierior engine, this is why Buell chose it. HD sportie evos are old tech, they have their place and are awesome but old (like Terry Bradshaw) I feel there are a lot of cards left on the table by Buell. But my experience w Try-umph is low, like 2 (1-10) lots of trouble and IF you can get one to run it runs marginal 1/2 the life of the proudct if riden hard. Good luck but I feel a better comparative bike would b another Buell, everyone knows xb, so why not show some superiority in proudct advancement! Be safe! | ||
| Trojan |
Interesting to read the couple of bad experiences with Triumphs, as over here they have an enviable record for reliability and manufacturing quality second to none. I wonder how much is due to nationalistic gung ho in relation to both the Triumph and Buell experiences. Over here most people find Buell to be hard to contact and barely interested in customer problems, which is a far cry from the attention you receive over there from the Buell factory (even discounting stories of inept dealers in both countries), whereas UK Triumph are almost always viewed as exemplary in customer relations and would certainly have fixed your friends problems pronto. I am sure that there is some gene deep within us that will allow us to put up with more crap from a machine made in our own country than we do for an import  Let's call it the 'Norton' Gene  I would add that I have never owned a modern day Triumph, but customer satisfaction and brand loyalty seems extremely high here, and certainly higher than average. | ||
| Xl1200r |
I don't think I would hesitate to buy a Triumph here in the US - the Daytona and ST have always tugged at me a little. But the closest dealer is HOURS away, so that's a big turn-off for me. Not a deal killer, but still. | ||
| Ruprecht |
The Speed Triple is a bike on my short list. They seem pretty sorted, and have a lot of nice details. Combined with the overall fit and finish, it left a slightly higher impression of quality on me than the Buell. $1000 cheaper too. I prefer v-twins to triples though, and I'm not convinced it would handle as well as the Buell. | ||
| Crowley |
I've ridden Speed Trips quite a lot. Good bikes but my God it's boring. I wouldn't swap it for ANY Buell in my collection. I would swap the front brake though. One of my other mates has a 1098 (and some racing background) again an excellent machine, but I've never lost sight of him when we've been out for a play on real roads. If I thought the 1098 was better than the 1125, then I'd buy one. | ||
| Mikef5000 |
I always thought the Speed triple was comparable to the XB12's. | ||
| Redscuell |
"I use a simple formula when comparing bikes, based on VALUE or bang-for-the-buck" "My "formula" is very simple, with having only two, totally independant parts" And our two simple formulae led us to exactly the same place: the 1125R. Here's to the egghead and the revhead in us all  | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
I always thought the Speed triple was comparable to the XB12's. Handling, yes. Speed, no. R | ||
| Firemanjim |
I am with Trojan, have a Sprint ST and have put about 30,000 on it so far as a second owner. And have many friends with Speed Triples, Daytonas etc. All have been bullet proof. My Sprint is a joy to ride. And the 50+ mpg is not bad either. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Five Hinckley Triumph triples so far- not a single problem. These bikes are bulletproof. They sound awesome, pull like a locomotive, and are tough as nails... I just wish they'd make a V-twin- that would be brilliant! | ||
| 46champ |
Trojan where did you ever get the idea that the motorcycle media over here has a soft spot for Buell. Not always, but for the most part the opposite has been the case. | ||
| Buellborn |
+1 redbuell | ||
| Jpfive |
If I wasn't on a Buell, I would be on a Trumpet. Like Buell, the man and the company speak to me - and have my respect. I think all their products fit well within their respective niches, and the triple alone makes them worth a look. I have ridden the S3 and the D675 and would be happy with either one. I haven't noticed that the British press is all that kind to Triumph. I'm glad that Trojan's experience says otherwise. Home grown industries, producing innovative and appealing products are good news wherever they are. GO BUELL! Jack | ||
| Usmoto |
I owned an '07 Speed Triple until August when I traded it for the 1125r. I owned a Firebolt before that. I thought Triple was an absolutely awesome bike in looks, reliability, power and overall ride. It is built very well and performed flawlessly for the time I owned it. If I could afford it I'd buy another one. It runs a very close second to the 25r in my overall list of bikes to own. |
