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Predius
Posted on Monday, October 07, 2002 - 12:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Would solid lifters be so bad? It'd mean incorporating a means of adjustment, but every bike I've owned required regular valve adjusts so it'd be no change for me.
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Dan
Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 06:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone know of a turbo kit for X1.Or other mods that could achieve the same result?
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Jdbuellx1
Posted on Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 08:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jeff,
Congratulations! You have convinced me to remove my PC. Many have told me to remove it but I kept thinking of the money I had spent on it. I was running the zero map, kept getting check engine lights IE:rear fuel injector, Cough at 4500 RPM, slow return to idle at high engine temp, poor off idle response, and the list goes on. I got 99.4 HP and 83.7 ft lbs with Nallin goodies running Zero map on PC. Had huge dip in torque and power 2500 and 3500 RPM but blamed that on cams but now I wonder... Will re-dyno after removal and see what happens.

Do you have a problem with the exhaust turning the swingarm black?

Thanks
Justin
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M2cyclone00
Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 08:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Justin, I've got the Force Streetfighter also. It turns the swingarm black. But, if you clean your bike regularly it is no big deal. A little bit of simple green & a scotch brite pad & it comes right off. It should not be a deterrent to using the Force pipe.

Dave
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Torqd
Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It should not be a deterrent to using the Force pipe.

The SOUND should be though:-)
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Roc
Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dan - I have not heard of a turbo kit for the X1. You could probably fit one yourself, seems like an Aerocharger would work if you made the correct headers. If your after that result you can also build a bigger engine.
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Madstuka
Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 05:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep Torqd,

There is something to be said for the sound. I fire up my bike for work at 0500. I'm an Army guy living on a Navy base. Its like an early morning bugle call telling the Navy folks that I'm going to morning physical training and that I wish that they would join me. I'm sure that they love that Force pipe. Its just so patriotic.
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M2cyclone00
Posted on Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am a little hesitant starting up mine at 5am, 0500hrs. But, I do love the sound. Yep, maybe I need to wake my Sportster riding Navy Recruiter neighbor! Fortunately, more motorcyle enthusiasts (mostly Harley owners who are not noise sensitive) are moving into the neighborhood.

Dave
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Jdbuellx1
Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Has any one tried the BC Gerolamy(BC Heads) 50mm throttle body fuel injection yet, or know anyone who has? Will it work with the race ecm alone or will it need something more?(like the powercomander, which I've decided to remove). Are there any significant power gains? Is it worth the price? Any major problems?

Thanks
Justin
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Jdbuellx1
Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 05:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just removed the power commander from my X-1 and what a difference! Zero sure doesn't mean zero on the zero map! No more coughing, quicker on the throttle, and better all around performance! Off to the dyno for a new base line I guess.

Justin
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Bucky
Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 09:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd really like to know what the Hp limit for X-1 FI is. I'm sitting on nallin stage 3 heads , Force signature series big bore exhaust, SE 536 cams, race ecm and gutted airbox. If I want 120+ hp do I cut my losses and go to carb? Ill be going to 88" this winter. Does ANYONE have some applicable input? Ralph? Please please please..... Bucky
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Wruffus
Posted on Monday, October 14, 2002 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bucky,

An Axtell employee told me that I "likely" will "want" a Powercommander and that I "likely" will "want" my throttle body bored and new plate fitted when going to 88" . At least they were brave enough to send a "maybe" reply. cyclerama, Hot shots, Zippers, and Nallin never replied at all. So, who gets my business? You guess.

Blake,

If your advertisers complain about results, tell them to answer their phone and email.
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Vr1203
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 01:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WHERE"S Aerocharger??? They're not answering the phone anymore. Is there anyone living in Batavia NY that can knock on their door and let me know if they still exist?:?
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Pammy
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 08:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What did I not reply to? I don't read all the messages on this board every day. If the question is about using the Buell EFI on an 88" motor, my answer would be, won't work(well). If you are going to a bigger motor, get a carb. Just my opinion. I answer my phone(cept when I'm closed) I have an answering machine when I can't. And last of all If your motor is stock(cases mainly) now, there is no need for 88". That's also my opinion and I am sorry you feel snubbed.
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Vr1203
Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 09:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WHERE'S Aerocharger???Roc or Peter? Have you called them lately? 585-345-0055? They're not answering the phone anymore.:( Is there anyone living in Batavia NY that can knock on their door and let me know if they still exist?
Aerocharger Turbo Systems
8 Apollo Dr.
Batavia NY 14020
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Peter
Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jim,
No idea. I could never get them to reply to my emails either. I think Roc has had the most success with them.
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Vr1203
Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Peter ,you had a e-mail address? Do you know of anyone working on the turbos? Rebuilding the Aerocharger?
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Peter
Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jim,
You have email.
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Torqd
Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bill Ruffus, please contact me...

thanks
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Roc
Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 07:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

VR1203 - You have the right number. I usually call them 6-10 times and then they either return my call or I reach an employee, maybe the owner. I think they are having problems. Last I heard they were in negotiations concerning the right to continue using patented portion of their turbo unit, they do not stock many parts, and they are hard to get in touch with. That being said, they are great help when you have problems with their system.

Peter - you made a mount for your turbo? Did you make the headers? We ought to find some other turbos to adapt and make our own.
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Wruffus
Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 11:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pammy,

I didn't try to contact you through badweb nor did I call you.
I used the email address pammyb@aol.com , listed on http://www.cycle-rama.com/contact.htm . You may have just missed a single email. I'll include you on the next go around. I liked the style of your reply here on the board as opposed to others I've had. See below.

All,
I sent the the same set of questions to each of the vendors. I had hoped to compare the replys to seriously consider the intersection of the recommendations as a potential solution. My venting was due to my frustration with the industry as a whole. Those that replyed ignored my specific questions and offered some prepackaged set of components or asked me to call them.
The phone calls are nearly as bad. At least when my question is answered with phrases like "Hmm... we have (insert some part here) that might do that, would you like to order now", I can ask again. I felt that most of these folks are hired out of customer service and data entry school and are not engine knowledgeable. There was a serious lack of data when I asked "In your expirience, will X part handle this?" or "Quantify the difference between the Carillo rods and the S&S Premium, what exactly do I gain for the extra $200?".

So gang, how do you make your choices for parts combinations? Where do you get your info?

Has any one seen a "MORE POWER!!! (Nitrous, Big Bore, Turbo, ... and other radical stuff)" Buell engine that uses Buell FI successfully? From Pammy's comment above, maybe it can't be done.
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Vr1203
Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Quote;
Roc

"We ought to find some other turbos to adapt and make our own."

Yea I was thinking the same thing. If the Aerocharger connection(parts,etc) breaks down we have or will have a big lump of scrap metal.The only problem is oil return on the other types.Too bad we could'nt get a setup like this to work on our stuff
supercharger
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Peter
Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Roc/Jim,
Yes. I made all the other stuff myself. Putting on another brand of turbo shouldn't be a big deal. I would run a seperate oiling system for it though, rather than using the engine oil. The thing I like about the Aerodyne though, is the variable vane concept to minimise the lag. That was why I used it instead of buying another brand.
Also adapting a supercharger like the Sprintex has been crossing my mind a bit......
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Roc
Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 02:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think I remember hearing or reading that Kooks made/makes the headers for Aerocharger's Buell system, is this so?

Prior to messing around with turbos a Thai friend of mine, who was big into turbo cars, was trying to get me to buy into building a turbo bike. He said turbos were much cheaper in Thailand, because they do not have the heavy tax on Japanese goods. Anyone know if there is truth to this? Maybe I should find his email.
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Pammy
Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 07:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bill, I am sorry I didn't answer your e-mail. That is my correct address. I didn't see/get it. It's bizarre for Wes not to answer e-mail as well. I think if you try cyclerama@aol.com you would have more success.

As far as the FI not working...we never say something WON'T work. Instead what is the cost/value ratio in making something work on what bike and the worth to the customer. In my opinion, the Buell FI is not viable for a larger engine.
As for the difference in the Carrillo rods and the S&S premium, the Carrillo's are much lighter. Both rods are great from the 'will they hold up' standpoint. Less weight equals quicker revs and less wear on other reciprocating parts.
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Peter
Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Roc,
John Sachs wrote something about it here.
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Vr1203
Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

:( :( :( Aerocharger Out Of Business!!!
Does anyone have a spare turbo? Parts?
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Vr1203
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 12:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Turbo,turbo,look at all the turbos
http://www.mjmturbos.com/CarTurboDescription.html
one mans junk is anothers treasure!
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Peter
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 02:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jim,
What's the story from Aerocharger?
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Vr1203
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 10:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Peter, I have not talked to anyone from Areocharger.I have called several turbo specialists,who had business with Aerocharger.The story is Aerocharger was in the process of being sold. There was a dispute over patent ownership.I guessing that the person(s) who invented some of the particular aspects is still around and is getting a raw deal.Sounds like the classic business partner divorce. The one expert did'nt think they would ever be back. And the other thought they might return some time.Those of you with your turbos in front,the rotor at a vertical,are going to have a hard time replacing the Aerocharger because the conventional turbos have to be mounted horizontal(so I was told)I did find this variable vane Garrett,still waiting for info on it.

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