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Trojan
| | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 10:45 am: | 
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We now have more new and exciting parts available for the 1125R models. All of these parts have been developed by Free Spirits on their 1125R race bike in the Italian Supertwins championship, and have been used by the Macadam Moto race bike in the French Pro Twins series, so you can be sure that they will work.
The new parts can be found here:
Triple trees http://www.trojan-horse.co.uk/prods/298.html
Bitubo rear shock http://www.trojan-horse.co.uk/prods/299.HTML
Bitubo fork cartridge kit http://www.trojan-horse.co.uk/prods/300.html
Bitubo steering damper http://www.trojan-horse.co.uk/prods/301.html
1125 paddock stand 'bobbins' http://www.trojan-horse.co.uk/prods/302.html
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Bobup
| | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 12:00 pm: |
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COOL STUFF
you will be hearing (and getting an order) from me again
thanks
bob |
Doerman
| | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 01:26 pm: |
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Matt,
Do you have to drill the swing(ing) arm to mount the bobbins? And what kind of rear wheel stand is shown there and would it work with?
that (ing) thing is just to make a Britt happy  |
D_adams
| | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 01:31 pm: |
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New from Free Spirits. CNC machined aluminium paddock stand bobbins specially shaped to fit flush against the 1125R (&1125CR) swinging arm.
Fitting requires drilling of the swinging arm with a single hole either side, but once fitted allows the rear wheel to be removed whilst on a paddock stand.
Price includes hardware.
Fully tested during 2008 on the Free Spirits 1125R race bike.
Looks to be about $60? |
Pridayr
| | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 01:31 pm: |
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Will that damper work on a CR?
They get a little excitable north of 100 @ WFO...
Rob |
Trojan
| | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 01:32 pm: |
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Ah the wonders of a common language 
Yes you would have to drill the swingarm in order to fit the bobbins.
To be honest this isn't really that scary(but you need to make sure you get it right first time of course!). We did the same on our XB12 racer in 2003 and 2006, and it was far more convenient than using spindle mounted sliders when racing, not to mention safer and more secure.
The stand is from Bike-Lift in Italy, although there are quite afew stands on the market now that will work with fixed bobbins.
I don't know if the damper will fit the CR, as we have yet to see them over here. If the headlight/fairing uses the same mounting brackets as the 1125R model then it should fit I think, but I would have to see some pictures of the mounts to make sure.
(Message edited by trojan on October 09, 2008) |
Pridayr
| | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 01:37 pm: |
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Ah the wonders of a common language
In Texas, the Mounted Bobbins would be stuffed and hanging on the wall!!!
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
Rob |
Aragosta1
| | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 01:44 pm: |
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what's the reason for the big piston rod,looks like a 20/22 mm shaft.
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Redscuell
| | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 06:53 pm: |
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Trojan, can I suggest that your website description offer more info on the triple trees than "Lighter, stronger and much more stylish than the originals" if you want buyers to part with 720 pounds! But the new parts you're making available for the Buells, and your posts about them, are much appreciated. Cheers.
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Edmbueller
| | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 07:42 pm: |
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I want that steering damper SOOOOOOO bad.... |
Adoogie3
| | Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 07:53 pm: |
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that's pretty cool they have some new parts but what really sucks about the parts is that there in the uk and almost cost double since us dollar ain't worth shit.I'm waiting till I see some parts built in the good of the ol us. |
Trojan
| | Posted on Friday, October 10, 2008 - 04:12 am: |
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Trojan, can I suggest that your website description offer more info on the triple trees than "Lighter, stronger and much more stylish than the originals" if you want buyers to part with 720 pounds! But the new parts you're making available for the Buells, and your posts about them, are much appreciated. Cheers.
Hi,
At the moment I don't have any more information simply because we they are so new, although there really isn't too much more to say. Geometry is the same as stock and material is top quality aircraft spec aluminium.
that's pretty cool they have some new parts but what really sucks about the parts is that there in the uk and almost cost double since us dollar ain't worth shit.
The global financial meltdown is having some benefit to the strength of the US Dollar at least. The US$ has risen in value against UK currency by around 20c since Monday (making imported parts cheaper in the US). I expect the exchange rate to be around US$1.65 = GBP1 by next week (2 months ago it was almost US$2 = GBP1). These parts will never be cheap however, regardless of currency, simply because they are absolutely top drawer quality and made in small batches by craftsmen rather than mass produced by computer.
what's the reason for the big piston rod,looks like a 20/22 mm shaft.
Most suspension units compromise between flex and 'stiction' (frictional losses when the piston moves up and down, and a factor in suspension 'chattering' when it can't react fast enough). A narrower piston rod will suffer less stiction but is likely to flex under heavy use, whereas a thicker rod (ooer missus!) won't flex but suffers from stiction more.
Bitubo use extremely close tolerances and high spec materials in order to reduce stiction to the absolute minimum, and can therefore use a much thicker piston rod to reduce flex to almost zero. These shocks have been developed in WSB over the years, so although they are not a household name like Ohlins they have been in there with the best for a long time. Bitubo 'invented' the hydraulic steering damper that we are all so familiar with now back in the 70's.
(Message edited by trojan on October 10, 2008) |
Zac4mac
| | Posted on Friday, October 10, 2008 - 05:46 am: |
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Gotta get a side job so I can afford that damper.
That's gorgeous.
Nice stuff Matt.
Hope the dollar gets better.
Z |
Tasmaniac
| | Posted on Friday, October 10, 2008 - 06:30 am: |
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Love the steering damper but it's $807.00 plus freight here in OZ
Brett |
Redscuell
| | Posted on Friday, October 10, 2008 - 02:21 pm: |
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Trojan, you said "there really isn't too much more to say. Geometry is the same as stock and material is top quality aircraft spec aluminium" -- but as a salesman I can tell you (I'm sure you already know), people buy an item for its benefits (what it will do for them); and from your statement there's no indication that there ARE any benefits. What am I missing?
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Pariah
| | Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 01:19 am: |
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It seems pretty clear from looking at the picture of Matt's triple clamp hardware that there's a lot less metal there than stock... I don't see the point of giving him a hard time about it.
Even if he said, "OK, it's 50% lighter than stock," in all honesty, what would people do with this information? Plug the data into a detailed physics-based simulation and discover, "Ah yes, if I don't retain water, this amounts to a 0.1% increase in straight-line acceleration and a 0.03g improvement in cornering acceleration. Excellent. Just as I thought!" ?
Do ordinary people buy this hardware for a real "benefit" as you put it, or are they buying it just to have goodies on their bikes? I think the vast majority are really doing it for the latter... they'll get the most benefit from rider training, racing slicks, and a suspension adjustment (as Niall Mackenzie proved in a recent article in TWO magazine). |
Aragosta1
| | Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 01:59 am: |
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(Message edited by aragosta1 on October 14, 2008) |
Redscuell
| | Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 05:18 am: |
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"are they buying it just to have goodies on their bikes? I think the vast majority are really doing it for the latter...". Really?! Better send all those marketing types back to school, then, because they believe "people don't buy drill bits, they buy holes" (that the bits make). Ask me how I know.
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Pariah
| | Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 09:44 am: |
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That's not an apples to apples to comparison. People don't love their drills. They do, however, love their bikes... |
Pridayr
| | Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 10:04 am: |
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WAIDDAMINNIT~!!!
I Love my Drill!
R |
Pariah
| | Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 11:10 am: |
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Just as any proper Texan would!
(Message edited by pariah on October 11, 2008) |
Pridayr
| | Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 11:53 am: |
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Drill here, Drill there, Drill NOW, DRILLDRILLDRILL! I want my cheap gas!
(Wife drives a 4x4. The only reason I really ride is to reduce our collective carbon footprint.)
OOOO!!! I just thought of my new username!
CARBON BIGFOOT!
Rob |
1125rz
| | Posted on Monday, October 13, 2008 - 10:26 am: |
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was wondering how the steering stabiliser mounts to the fork tube & will it interfere with the throttle cables? |
Trojan
| | Posted on Monday, October 13, 2008 - 10:33 am: |
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was wondering how the steering stabiliser mounts to the fork tube & will it interfere with the throttle cables?
The damper mounts to a billet clamp that attaches to the left side fork leg. Provided it is fitted properly it will not foul throttle cables or anything else
This has been extensively tested on race bieks this season with no problems at all |
1125rz
| | Posted on Monday, October 13, 2008 - 10:43 am: |
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does the top triple clamp need to be removed for installation? |
Trojan
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 04:09 am: |
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does the top triple clamp need to be removed for installation?
If you look closely at the fork clamp you'll see it is a hinged two piece affair, so you can fit it without removing the top triple clamp |
Sruzhyo
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 10:20 am: |
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I.
Want.
That.
Steering.
Damper! |
Zac4mac
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 10:31 am: |
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Steve - my thoughts EXACTLY.
Z |
2yldbuells
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 01:50 pm: |
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I have a machine shop in the family... someone want to design it??
We can make it in the good ole USA Baby!! |
Pariah
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 02:23 pm: |
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This thread was started by Matt (Trojan-Horse Racing, UK). He's a really good vendor (and there aren't that many) who provides great products and service. Why would you want to compete with him on his own thread?
This is the second such post. Freemarket considerations aside, and maybe it's 'cause I'm from Canada and therefore a Communist by US Standards, but this seems in poor taste to me... you Yanks can tell me to go back home, now (depending on how the next election turns out, I may just do that), but I'll still be on this forum, Dammit!
(Message edited by pariah on October 14, 2008) |
No_rice
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 02:24 pm: |
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I have a machine shop in the family... someone want to design it??
We can make it in the good ole USA Baby!!
hmm, that must be a polite way of saying im going to copy your design and sell it?
make similar one for yourself because you can, thats cool.
in the same thread as a sponsor, saying "hey i should just make this part your selling over here." not so much. |
Pariah
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 02:31 pm: |
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+1.2 Tim
(have to compensate for the CAD-> USD exchange rate...) |
2yldbuells
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 03:23 pm: |
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Ouch... I really am sorry for that post...
Hadn't really considered all of the ramifications of my comments...
You have beautiful parts and I wouldn't consider coping them or detracting from your the effort that has gone into them..
Honestly I didn't even think about the MFG being the one posting...
William |
Slypiranna
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 10:02 pm: |
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Trojan,
Awesome products!
Worth every penny, I'm sure.
What is up and coming (in the werks) that you can at least hint us in on a little? mm |
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