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Phelan
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Which car oil filter was it that I can use for x amount more capacity? I need to to an oil change and would like to hold more oil.
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Carl
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 09:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd like to know too, I'm tired of using the PH6022's, they are just too small.
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Bernd
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sign me up for the biggy!!
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5liter
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.americansportbike.com/shoponline/ccp0-p rodshow/5185.html
I use the 5187 on my S3T.
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Buellistic
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Go to Wall-Mart and buy Super Tech ST8A(BLACK) which is the biggest you can install ...

It will be cheaper than anything else ...

Been running them for years now ...
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Bandm
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fram PH8A, Motorcraft FL-1A, WIX/NAPA 1515, AC Delco PF2, Mobil M1-301, Bosch 3500, K&N HP-3001.

All the same size, adds about 3/4 quart.
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Buellistic
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Super Tech ST8A(Wal-Mart) is the same as Motorcraft FL-1A ...
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Bernd
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 11:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sweet. Thanks for putting that up. Just for giggles I'm going to measure the capacity.
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Beachbuell
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 11:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You could also use the stock HD long filter in black or chrome. I do not have a part number right now. But, I will in the morning. They run like $12 at your local shop.
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Phelan
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 01:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, I work at Wal-Mart an like Fram filters, and I get a 10% discount, so this info answers my questions perfectly. I'll pick one up tomorrow. Thanks : ).
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Xldevil
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 01:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You could also use the stock HD long filter in black or chrome. I do not have a part number right now

P/N 63812-90
Ralph
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Beachbuell
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 06:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You only get 10% off? Cheap bastards!

Thanks Ralph!
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Eshardball
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 07:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I believe that this was in the knowledge vault but there are differences in the filtration capabilities and quality of construction from filter to filter. I use the HD filter under the delusion that it is better constructed and the relief valve(god help me if it's ever needed) is appropriate for the XL engine
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 08:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like the FL1A on my tuber. I had one spin off while ridden in anger, so slap on a hose clamp such that it can't spin off. From memory, I think the one I had would interfere with some fixed part so just putting on the clamp was enough to keep it from rotating.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had an old Mopar 318 die from crap getting through a Fram filter. Never again.
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Bandm
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Filters.html# OilFilters
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Xldevil
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 12:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I use the HD filter under the delusion that it is better constructed and the relief valve(god help me if it's ever needed) is appropriate for the XL engine
I second that.
Buying a bike for thousands of Dollars/Euros,probably spending another thousands to match the personal
needs,tast,wishes,whatever...and than risking the entire engine for saving 5 or 10 Dollars once or twice a year.?
I donĀ“t intend to offend someones sensibilities,but that makes no sense to me.
Ralph
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"saving 5 or 10 Dollars once or twice a year.?"

Once or twice a year? You should change the oil more often, or get out and ride some more miles!

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Cbm2
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In shop class we pulled apart all the different kinds of filters and Napa golds were easily the best (for automobiles). Every Fram that we looked at was VERY cheaply made compared to the rest. I suppose it is good enough if you change your oil a lot though.
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Farrisbueller
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just thinking, but since these are a dry sump system, you may be adding volume to the overall system, but no more capacity without a larger oil tank.
Wa da ya think
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Sleez
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 04:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

some good info here;

http://knizefamily.net/minimopar/oilfilters/index. html
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Sloppy
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 08:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I second the NAPA gold filters. I have yet to find a filter that equals their quality and especiallty at their price point. Purolator Pureone is a close second.

Ask for the '98 HD Dyna Filter. A little longer and has the appropriate differential pressure rating on the bypass valve.

I don't think you gain anything with greater oil capacity. You gain filtration area which means that you can filter oil at a faster rate or your oil filter will filter for a longer duration.
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Chasespeed
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 09:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just thinking, but since these are a dry sump system, you may be adding volume to the overall system, but no more capacity without a larger oil tank.
Wa da ya think



You DO add capacity within the system. The oil is checked with it running, which means the filter will be full of oil, and the tank will be a little lower, thus allowing you to add more oil...

Increasing the inside diameter of the lines will do the same thing as well, BUT, it will not increase the flow, due to restrictors, etc in the system to control volume and pressure. Adding an oil cooler, and its related lines with increase overall capacity as well...

PLUS, as mentioned, the added benefit of the added filter surface area. More surface area across a filter, will generally mean less pressure drop.

FWIW, I run the K&N HP 3001 in the Buell, and.... the skinnier alternate in the Sporty(dont remember the number off the top of my head).

Run Mobil 1 in the Buell, and this time around, Royal Purple in the Sporty...

Chase

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Phelan
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I ended up getting a Supertech and Valvoline 4-stroke 20-50. I normally run Amsoil with an Amsoil filter but I didn't have the money since I was out of work for two weeks. Soon I will switch back to Amsoil 20-50 with Pure One or Mobil filter.
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Eshardball
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 09:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have not used Valvoline 20-50 since the discovering that my Iron head Oil tank was full of foam instead of fluid. Amsoil, Mobil 1 or Castrol Synthetic for HD. I believe that Amsoil is the current manufacturer of HD synthetic at this time.
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Eshardball
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 09:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We seemed to have diverted from the intent of the original thread. If you add oil capacity you increase the cooling capability of the fluid. Look at the capacity of any oval track car oil pan. The increase in volume and weight is not without good justification. More oil is just better.
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Buellistic
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On a "AIR COOLED" engine the oil tank acts like a radiator ...
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Eshardball
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's a shame that the oversize aluminum oil tanks are so expensive as they dissapate heat so much better than a plastic one does. Just think what an aluminum tank with cooling fins on it would do for the oil temp.
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Farrisbueller
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I know your not suppose to check the engine oil with the motor running, best way to overfill. If a larger filter adds capacity, why not coil oil return lines around the frame till you get how ever many extra gallons you want.
Think!
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Buellistic
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Farrisbueller:

Remember that this i not a true wet sump, "BUT" a wet sump with an oil tank ...

Good "IDEA" on more oil line for more oil capacity ...

A oil cooler and a return line oil filter plus the extra oil lines worked for me ...
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