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Americanmadexb
Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It was nice knowing all of you. Given space, time, and relativity, it may have happened already. So in that case, good morning.


you guys crack me the hell up!!!
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Hexangler
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 12:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What, if anything, do we really know?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noumenon
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Hexangler
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 01:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'll leave you all tonight with a little midnight reading (there may be a pop quiz tomorrow to celebrate LHC's start-up):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 04:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I turn 40 in two weeks, I never thought I would live to see it, maybe the black hole is my present to keep me from getting any older.
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 06:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Anyone see Google today?


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Miamiuly
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 08:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

First test done, still here. Granted, no colliding yet.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20080 909/Big.Bang/
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Hexangler
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 08:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"...In an interview earlier that day, Dr. Oddone called it a "bittersweet moment."

Once upon a time the United States ruled particle physics. For the last two decades, Fermilab’s Tevatron, which hurls protons and their mirror opposites, anti-protons, together at energies of a trillion electron volts was the world’s largest particle machine.

By the end of the year, when the CERN collider has revved up to 5 trillion electron volts, the Fermilab machine will be a distant second. Electron volts are the currency of choice in physics for both mass and energy. The more you have, the closer and hotter you can punch back in time towards the Big Bang.

In 1993, the United States Congress canceled plans for an even bigger collider and more powerful machine, the Superconducting Supercollider, after its cost ballooned to $11 billion. That collider, its former director Roy Schwitters of the University of Texas in Austin said recently, would have been in operation around 2001.

Dr. Schwitters said that American particle physics -- the search for the most fundamental rules and constituents of nature -- had never really recovered from the loss of the supercollider. The field, he said, is "really rough right now."

"One non-renewable resource is a person’s time and good years," he said, adding that many young people have left the field and gone into astrophysics or cosmology where they can make a difference more quickly.

His sentiments were echoed by Dr. Oddone, Fermilab’s director. He said the situation at Fermilab and physics in general in the United States was "suspenseful."

Last year, a sudden budget shortfall — in essence a retroactive cut when Congress passed a continuing resolution keeping Fermilab’s budget at a previous level instead of enacting a heftier budget recommended by the White House — caused Dr. Oddone to cut 100 jobs and suspend key programs at Fermilab.

CERN, on the other hand, is an organization of 20 countires, whose budget is determined by treaty and thus stable. The year after the supercollider was killed, CERN decided to go ahead with its own collider.

Fermilab and the United States, which eventually contributed $531 million for the collider, have not exactly been shut out. Dr. Oddone said that Americans constitute about a quarter of the scientists who have built the four giant detectors that sit at points around the racetrack to collect and analyze the debris from the primordial fireballs.

In fact, a remote conrol room for monitoring one of those experiments was built at Fermilab, just off the lobby of the main building here.

"The mood is great at this place," he said, noting that the Tevatron is humming productively and accumulating data at a much more rapid pace than the CERN collider will initially produce. There is even still a chance that Tevatron could find the sacred Higgs boson before the new hadron collider, which is bound to have a slow start...."

Scientists Launch Particle Collider
By DENNIS OVERBYE
Published: September 10, 2008

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/science/11collid er.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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Panhead_dan
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 09:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

2012.
It is written.
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 09:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"I turn 40 in two weeks, I never thought I would live to see it, maybe the black hole is my present to keep me from getting any older."

My roomate was turning 40 so he tried the black hole approach, all that got him was broke and probation.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sooooo whats the point of this thing?

Please explain in a way that a hilljack from WV can understand....
I'm not saying I'm a tard, but 3.8 BILLION dollars?....
I could have got a new double wide.... or 2
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

They're trying to recreate the "Big Bang" on a smaller scale. This is to better understand how the universe was created and if I remember correctly, trying to find a new molecule, atom or piece of matter or something.

"They say the experiment has the potential to confirm theories that physicists have been working on for decades including the possible existence of extra dimensions. They also hope to find a theoretical particle called the Higgs boson -- sometimes referred to as the "God particle," which has never been detected, but would help explain why matter has mass."

(Message edited by Buellinachinashop on September 10, 2008)
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Greenlantern
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 11:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

They also hope to find a theoretical particle called the Higgs boson -- sometimes referred to as the "God particle," which has never been detected, but would help explain why matter has mass."

That is very interesting and all but more importantly, What is a hilljack?
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Swordsman
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 11:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Don't these guys ever watch any movies? Everyone knows you do NOT screw around with alternate dimensions! It ALWAYS ends badly! Demons from Hell, Nyarlathotep, broken time/space....

~SM
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So, HP could have been right?
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Greenlantern
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mark my words, this could only lead to the most inconceivable of horrors......The Teletubbies Empire with legions of these vile whatever the hell they are, using an Army of Grey Squirrels a billion strong to enforce the iron will of their Tubbies overlords and their vile master....FLORENCE HENDERSON!!!!


Feets, don't fails me now!
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Midknyte
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Everyone knows you do NOT screw around with alternate dimensions! It ALWAYS ends badly!

yeah, but every now and then you hook up with a hot alien chick and you remember why it's all worthwhile.



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Krassh
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Then this guy comes along and really screws up your day.



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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

hilljack: A rural gentleman who is under the illusion that he is better or of a higher class than a hillbilly;
tends to believe he is not one.


Well that problem has been solved... so back to my question...

Are they gonna pop some popcorn with this thing? Can I eat eat it? Can I have sex with it? Does it get ya HIGH?? WTF is the point?!?!?!? Can it take me back in time so I can have sex with all the girls that wanted to have sex but I was to stupid at the time to realize that poontang was on the menu and all I need to do was place the order....
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Kyrocket
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Be careful Wolfridge, you'll end up like McFly and start to fade away.

But yeah, that is a good question.
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

From what I understand, this thing will burn a hole through Uranus in less than a blink of an eye. So sex is out.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 12:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

this thing will burn a hole through Uranus in less than a blink of an eye. So sex is out.

Thats FUNNY! & The DOORS, Backdoor Man is on the radio! good timing
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Midknyte
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

this thing will burn a hole through Uranus in less than a blink of an eye. So sex is out.

"that" kind of sex anyway...
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You might get a blister on you pee pee if you're not careful!
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 01:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

hilljack: A rural gentleman who is under the illusion that he is better or of a higher class than a hillbilly;
tends to believe he is not one.

I had never heard that one.
Here's another...
Mountain William, an educated Hill Billy.
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Miamiuly
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 02:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

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Midknyte
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 02:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A black hole swallowing Uranus just sounds like such a double negative...
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Greenlantern
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A black hole swallowing Uranus just sounds like such a double negative...


In Provincetown it is called marriage.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 03:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I remembered a book (sci fi of course) I'd read on this premise, oh, ~28 years ago:

http://www.jamesphogan.com/books/info.php?titleID= 27&cmd=summary

"Thrice Upon a Time" by James P. Hogan. Premise- one group figures out practical time travel. Only catch is you are limited to only sending messages back to yourself because you have to have the machine that can send and receive messages through time in order to receive the messages. They get into some pretty interesting cause/effect discussions- what happens if you receive a message from yourself in the future, but then when the future comes you don't send it?

Relevant portion of the story- the first messages they get from their future selves say "You know that big supercollider they're building? DON'T let them turn it on because it will generate hundreds of micro-black holes which will begin eating the Earth from the inside out but we won't figure it out for a year or two, by which time it's too late!"

Anybody figured out how to build a time travel/message sending machine lately?
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Greenlantern
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 04:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Anybody figured out how to build a time travel/message sending machine lately?


Sure It's called "Fox News" but it only receives messages from the McCarthy era.
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Miamiuly
Posted on Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 05:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Anybody figured out how to build a time travel/message sending machine lately?

And if they did build it, would it follow, "Back to the Future" rules, "Terminator" rules or "Time Rider" rules?- which according to South Park is just plain silly.
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