| Author | Message | ||
     Buellrcr |
LIBERTY HARLEY-DAVIDSON& BUELL WILL BE THEIR ANTHONY C. AND ME ARE THE RIDERS.TOM AND MOOSE AND MY DAD WILL BE IN THE PITS HELPING CANT WHAT . LEAVEN RIGHT AFTER WORK ON THURSDAY PRATICE ON FRIDAY AND RACING ON SATURDAY. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Kick some Ducati butt! | ||
| Slaughter |
Waaaay cool! this on the 1125R? | ||
| Bearracing |
Stop by the James Gang/Hoban Brothers racing team and say hello to Paul James, Jeff Johnnson, Walt Sipp and Mike Kirkpatrick.. From B.J. in Kansas.. and hope they get back to #1 in points! GO BUELLs!!! | ||
| Buellrcr |
yes on the 1125r | ||
| Odinbueller |
1125R is in the dyno now, being tuned to run cooler, then the throttle stop adjusted to run just below the 120hp limit. We'll have pictures once the bodywork is labeled & decals are applied. | ||
| Buellrcr |
sweet i cant wait to race   | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Chris, isn't the HP limit for SST 118hp? | ||
| Odinbueller |
Grand-Am upped the limit this season to an even 120hp. Now that I have the bike tuned (just shy of 134hp), need to get the throttle stop to where we need it. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Ok. | ||
| Benm2 |
Another MOTO-ST GST class podium for James Gang!!! (third in class) Congratulations! Ben | ||
| Rocketsprink |
12 70 GST 2 Johnson / Sipp James Gang Racing/ Hoban Brothers / Buell XB12R 109 1:31.793 78 81.165 Harley Davidson/Buell of Appleton Lists them as 2nd. Nice to move up a step!! Good job boys! | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
That's interesting... the earlier results showed #70 XB12R finishing 3rd, with fewer laps completed than the two Ducatis. Now it's listed as second with 109 laps completed- same as the Ducati. I understand that the 2nd place Duc may not have passed post-race tech therefore promoting Buell to second, but I didn't think that would change the number of laps the bike completed. Or did timing/scoring mess up? Whatever the reason, seeing how close the team points are, I won't argue with 2nd! | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Mamma mia! After careful examination, I think I figured it out. The RightsforBikers Ducati Paul Smart 1000 LE's did originally place 1-2, both completing 115 laps. The 2nd place Duc must have failed on the dyno and is now listed in 6th (with 115 laps). The Touring Sport PS1000LE finished behind the XB12R on the same lap (109). Then the Wagner Motorsport PS1000LE placed 4th with 64 laps completed. It is all perfectly clear now... Damn there's a lot of Ducatis in the Grand Sport Twins class! | ||
| Indy_bueller |
NINTH Podium finish in a row for James Gang. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Good. They're finally figuring out the Duc's are skirting the rules. Better late than never! | ||
| Indy_bueller |
I found it interesting that the schedule for the 8 hour race lists: 12:40 P.M. All Engines OFF Race starts at 1:00. I don't know if this is a new addition to the schedule, but that has never been in the schedule for any of the other races. | ||
| V8killr |
Hey guys, looking at the points race in the SST class, can any one help me with the points per position value? We're in third, at 174, second in 181 and first 197. Im sure first wouldn't hurt on the last race, but what do we need to happen to the other guys? Thanks, Jason | ||
| José_quiñones |
Pictures/results at www.moto-st.com http://www.moto-st.com/multimedia/photos.cfm?gid=1 492 That was fun! Glad to see everyone there. The track is interesting, shows promise, but they still have alot of work to do to make it more spectator friendly. | ||
| Benm2 |
Their bike wouldn't start for the post-race dyno run due to having lost a cylinder. I don't think a blown motor counts as skirting the rules. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Jason; Points awards in Moto-ST are as follows: 1......35 11....20 21....10 2......32 12....19 22......9 3......30 13....18 23......8 4......28 14....17 24......7 5......26 15....16 25......6 6......25 16....15 26......5 7......24 17....14 27......4 8......23 18....13 28......3 9......22 19....12 29......2 10.....21 20....11 30......1 If RMR #8 finishes in 1st place during the 8 hour race, the #1 Aprila team finishes 20th or less (which I don't think is possible, considering the number of competitors in the class) and #75 finishes 5th place or worse, then RMR #8 can win the championship. In that case, the scoring would be: RMR #8: 209 points (1st place finish) Apilia USA #1: 208 points (20th place finish) Touring Sport Ducati #75: 207 Points (5th place finish) A total of 26 teams have competed in SST this year. That number has dwindled through the season. There were only 9 in SST at Thunderbolt. Three of them were RMR bikes. RMR #83 only ran 8 laps (testing?). It's possible for Richie to win SST if enough teams show up and the #1 Aprila DNF's or gets disqualified for some reason. It's a long shot, and I sure wish Richie and his guys the best of luck. But the #1 Aprila has SST pretty close to wrapped up. You can bet that the #1 Aprila team will be playing it safe in October. Even if they screw up badly, as long as there aren't more than 18 bikes in the SST class they win the championship. The fact is, the SST championship will be decided by the number of entrants more than any other factor. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
"Their bike wouldn't start for the post-race dyno run due to having lost a cylinder. I don't think a blown motor counts as skirting the rules." You're correct. However the question in the past has been a controllable ECM kinda like the GSXR's have, being able to be switched to different maps for dyno's and racing. This has been a question brought up by many teams in the paddock. When did the bike lose a cylinder? Right after the race ended? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Ugh. So how many of those ECM's have a built in clock that lowers their max horsepower after X pm in the afternoon  You know... have to leave the ball by midnight or the carriage turns back into a pumpkin... | ||
| Rocketsprink |
there is a thing called a switch or a remote. Ask Richie Morris's crew as to their thoughts on the whole deal. | ||
| Benm2 |
I'm not inclined to throw the cheater claim at the Ducati guys just yet. I've heard alot of the mutterings & rumblings, but I currently don't believe them. Why? 1. I am personally inclined to think that people won't cheat. This is a personal opinion, and I've been proven wrong before so this carries almost no weight to anyone but myself. 2. The Ducati is lighter, and in some important areas. The 2-valve Ducati engine is an evolution of a dedicated, proven road-race design that's been years in the making. There are whole catalogs of kit parts available that further reduce the engine's rotating weight. This reduction in rotating weight can "appear" as more horsepower exiting turns. 3. The Ducati bikes have slipper clutches. Worth a bit of time for the Ducati alone, not to mention the somewhat more careful deliberation required to downshift an XB: get it wrong and there might be some drama at the back end. 4. There's a bit more powerband available on the Ducati. I've been told the XB needs to be shifted more often to keep it in the meaty part of the curve. I think the Buells can be made more competetive with the Duc's. I don't think they're that far off now. The "fastest laps" that I saw from the teams were all pretty close. Don't forget either that the James Gang team also had to contend with a broken shock mid-race, costing them at least two laps. | ||
| Sd26 |
Given than even the other Ducati teams are complaining about one other team... That lessens there competitiveness in an arena that is supposed to be about rider. Cheating happens in racing. Enforcement of the rules can be tricky. Got to have someone that is sneaky enough to know the tricks to see them. | ||
| Benm2 |
Still not buying it. There were SIX SV650 teams that also finished higher up in the standings than the first XB air-cooler. Were they all cheating too? Even within the framework of the existing rules there is room for creative bike building & chassis refinement. If the top placing Ducati team has just the right combination of chassis, motor & rider, could it possibly be that they are just well prepared? As proven out by the SV placings, even a 15 hp disadvantage doesn't mean the results will exactly reflect that. The thing that I would want to focus on? WHY are the SV650's faster, and what can be learned from them? | ||
| Sd26 |
Well, I know the team that finished second overall is made up of very fast riders. One of them is one of my instructors. The HP rules don't leave much need for a lot of changes to a production bike. It's a junky fuel, and the HP numbers are attainable. But there is a Ducati team that even the Ducati teams are complaining about. And the SV650 is an excellent package. I think within the SV650 package a psudo ram air package exists that helps it out above the dyno numbers. I know that I was pretty impressed with the speeds of the first ram air bike I raced in 1994. | ||
| Court |
Cheating, absent the old Tammy Kirk and her Dad storm off and leave the track, is pretty tough to prove and is getting harder. There are times however when it becomes patently obvious that something "Just Don't Look Right". Such was the case with a bike last year. Simple physics made it tough for me to buy that in a class where weight and HP were matched and dictated that two "identical" bikes would come onto a straight together and one would literally walk away from the other. Rumors flew. Who knows? | ||
| Indy_bueller |
As I understand it Court, that is exactly what is happening here. |
