| Author | Message | ||
     Bobup |
So HwyRanger, What is the outcome of your 1125 and the heat issue? What did the dealer come up with as a solution? bob | ||
| Bobup |
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| Xl1200r |
bob - pretty sure they're installing the insualtion kit for him that the '09's are using. | ||
| Bobup |
Last posting he said it was going into the shop.....I was hoping that he might have it back and could give us the 411 on the difference...I'm tired of hot knees and foot and....I keep forgetting which thread that was buried in (Message edited by bobup on August 26, 2008) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Bobup--get the Techspec grip skins for the hot knees. They really make it a non-issue. The only time that you feel the frame heat is at a stop when you leg(s) are extending down. This is beacause the skins don't cover the whole frame. I believe someone is trying to work with them to get a full length skin. Can't help you with the hot foot though. | ||
| Xnr |
Any improvements on the '09 should be available at reduced price to the '08 owners. Like headers with the relocated O2 sensors ... and now this insulation kit. I expect I'll have to pay to get an '09 reflash also. Sorry ... a bit negative today. Hoping that there are Buell employees that read these comments and make suggestions that result more satisfied customers. Another month and I won't have a heat issue. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
For Bob-- http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/384317.html?1219688956 | ||
| Hitman44139 |
Fresnobuell Thanks I just called techspec to order grip skins. Non I stock but told them I wanted them for a track day in early September..... I'll have them by Sept 3...... Great service!! | ||
| Pyrateryderzmc |
I saw my 1125r heat up to 243 this last Saturday coming back from Riverside, Ca to Los Angeles. I spoke to the guy at the dealership who is really up on the 1125r's as he too owns one and he said he heard there may be a insulation blanket fix that goes between the motor and frame. He also said the flash update may assist in cooling. Not sure all of what he was talking about, but I know I nearly burnt my legs. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
243...you must have been in traffic. I thought at 230 degrees the motor skips a spark or something...did you notice anything like that when temperature got over 230? | ||
| Hwyranger |
The word from my dealership is the flash for the ecm is supposed to fix the hot frame issue. I ordered the insulation for the frame they use on the xbrr and between the two, the problem should be fixed. I also got the tech spec gripskins which I have to install when the bike gets back from the dealer. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Any idea if 2008 owners are going to be expected to pay for the reflash? | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Doubt it, they didn't have to pay for the first one. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Reflashes for HDI products have historically been free, although I never had one done out of warranty. | ||
| Hwyranger |
I would think the reflash alone might be covered, however, if someone wants the whole MY09 move O2 sensor and that bit, I would expect to pay because that involves hardware, not just computer program. Either way, I think the reflash coupled with the insulation kit I am buying and the grip skins should prevent any further leg burns. | ||
| Bobup |
thanks HwyRanger funny how others on here assumed that the "kit" you are having installed is from the '09' 1125 upgrades now we know better, don't we bob | ||
| Hwyranger |
I misunderstood my dealer when they first mentioned the kit. I posted it was the 09 stuff before they showed me what it was. | ||
| Bobup |
you will need to post part numbers when you get your bike and paperwork back | ||
| Bobup |
so HwyRanger several questions 1) Is it done yet? 2) If it is done....has it made a difference? 3) Was it done under warranty? | ||
| Fresnobuell |
funny how others on here assumed that the "kit" you are having installed is from the '09' 1125 upgrades ONe would suspect that the kit for the '09 models is based on the XBRR kit...I would think they are similar. | ||
| Hwyranger |
I picked it up on Monday. 50 mile ride home from the dealership in mid 90's weather. It took the bike a whole lot longer for the frame to heat up (only started to heat up in the last 3-4 miles. When I got home and parked it in the garage, it was hot again. It got hotter after I parked it and I could hear the fuel boiling in the tank. 4 hours later, the frame was still hot. I don't know what will help now. The flash will be done under warranty. I ordered the kit through the dealership. I was reading other posts (fuel smell and boiling fuel topics) and my UNeducated guess would be maybe there is something wrong with the O2 sensor or the tank is not venting properly. I really have no knowledge in this area. I just figure that if the O2 sensor was a problem, I would be getting codes popping up, right? No codes on my bike. In fact, other than the frame heating up to dangerous levels, the bike runs GREAT. the CT is steady 190's and it still rips. After not having my baby around and only riding an 850# underpowered BMW, I was laughing like a madman all the way home as I felt the power and handling of this bike. | ||
| Krassh |
We did our SCAB ride this last Sunday up to the ACH (both sides of the closure). When we stopped at devils punch bowl it was hot and the fuel smell was strong so I took my gas cap off. There was a little pressure but nothing major and yes my fuel was boiling. Now when Doerman took his cap off to check lucky he did not pull it completely off as hot fuel spewed out. I think he has a venting issue and said as much. I made sure to have my dealer call customer service to make sure it was not ed about the heat and boiling fuel. They told her it was normal and nothing to be concerned with. As much as I hate lawsuits in our litigious society maybe a couple lawsuits or a class action would make them take notice. Heck that lady got money for the hot coffee between her legs and you are not suppose to put coffee between your legs. Unlike a motorcycle that belongs between your legs. Especially with at least 2 people on this board that have had burns. Hey Tom about 3/4 of the way down on this thread is a picture anyone you recognize from the CHP motorcycle unit? http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/327 77/393696.html?1221069048 Oh and PS does your PM in your profile work? Been trying to get a hold of you about your exhaust tip info. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Is the tank venting an electronically controlled mechanism? I thought if the pressure was high enough, the vent opened--sorta like release valve. The insulation is only delaying the inevitable...the real fix is to get the engine to run cooler. | ||
| Krassh |
The venting is I believe a ball check affair in the top right of the frame. It is what the vent house attaches to. I remember seeing posts here of ones that stuck/failed leading to tanks pressures that caused what Doerman encountered with fuel spewing. The little bit of pressure I encountered is normal when the fuel is boiling as it makes its way out of the semi restrictive evap canister system employed on our Cali bikes. | ||
| Xnoahx |
liquid cooled frame, thats what this bike needs !  | ||
| Hwyranger |
 Officer Gonzalez. I worked in that office for 5yrs. I know him pretty well. | ||
| Unibear12r |
All Doerman has to do is pull the seat and then the tube between the carbon cannister and the tank off at the cannister. Open the fuel cap and blow through the tube. You'll know if it's open. Mine has spewed fuel twice and puffed many times and there is nothing wrong with the vent or cannister system. (As checked by both my dealer and myself more than once). That's just how much pressure that can build up on a Cali 1125 on very rare occasions. Always open the fuel cap slowly to bleed the pressure that might be there. The cannister vents into ONE of the intakes. If you really have built up a lot of vapor (boiling fuel) and the conditions are right it will drive the AFV of one cylinder to a more than 20 point difference from the other and you get an error code saying there's too much of a difference. I've done it. Bike ran great but still it's a trouble code. Now that my 1125 has made me aware of boiling fuel I've come to realize that my Uly does it too but you have to really look for it to notice. I'm sure it's always done it, just never to the extent the 1125 does. For that matter I can't tell which bike gets a hotter frame while riding. But after shut down the Uly doesn't have a water jacket holding a lot of heat between the fuel frame and it does have a cooling fan that sometimes runs... and runs... and runs... The 1125 has to shut off it's fans in a hurry to conserve the battery... | ||
| Unibear12r |
And the 1125 doesn't blow that air back between the engine and the fuel frame. Even through the radiators that air is cooler than what's trapped in there when the bike stops moving. | ||
| Doerman |
So I checked the venting system on my bike yesterday and found that I had caused the problem myself. The hoses were connected just fine and the checkball worked like a champ. However.. further examination of the hoses showed that The straps (I had a knot in the straps right under the front horn of the seat) for my tankbag was putting pressure on the venthose as it exits the groove in the airbox and goes under the seat preventing pressure in the tank from exiting to the evap can. I had a knot in the straps right under the front horn of the seat. So, embarrassing - but a good lesson. Asbjorn | ||
| Krassh |
Well glad it was any easy fix for the venting issue. I am always worried about pinching the hose myself when putting things back together. (Message edited by krassh on September 10, 2008) |
