| Author | Message | ||
     Whitethunder |
you guys think i can pull that out of my 03xb9r with out putting to much money in and killing life of the bike | ||
| Hammer71 |
No but pretty damn close. Now with a bit more cash..... | ||
| Northernyankee |
Depends on what you consider "too much money" IMO you would be better off getting a different bike. My 12s puts 87 to the wheel with the race kit so getting 100 to the wheel with a 9 would take a fair amount of money and work. | ||
| Mnbueller |
NOS | ||
| Jdemoxb9r |
TURBO??? some american grunt with a lil WHIIIRRRR would be pretty sweet! | ||
| Uawjesse |
Search badweb for threads from ericz, he has a sweet turbo xb. There is a video of him riding the bike and dyno graphs of his bike. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
A tow rope and a Hyabusa. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Trade it in for an 1125r (when the 09's come out). Problem solved. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Wish I could have seen what the factory XB turbo was going to look like.  I kinda dismissed turbos until I tried living with one in a used Saab I bought, and now I totally get it. Not perfect, they don't add low end, but otherwise they deliver highly reliable and and nearly "free" power. A well sorted factory turbo could add an AWFUL lot of top end power to an XB9 for $1000 or less. Wonder why the factory ultimately killed that approach.... | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
If it really were "free"... a turbo adds complexity, heat, tuning/drivabilty problems, and a host of other challenges. Look at the history of factory turbos on motorcycles. Neat idea, though. | ||
| Reepicheep |
True I suppose. But it seems as close to "bolt on power" as you could get. New headers, with integral turbo, intake pipe that goes up through the snokel hole, and drop in replacement ECM. Closest an XB9 would ever get to 110 HP at the rear wheel for $1000. Just slap another cooling fan on somewhere for the heat  I always heard about turbo lag and other drivability problems, but the garrett turbo that comes from the factory on my Saab is very non obtrusive. When I want to drive casually, I never notice its there. When I need to trounce it, it trounces after a split second spin up (less time then it takes the auto tranny to drop a gear). I wonder if all the "stuff" that used to make turbos hard is all "stuff" that has been solved already by the migration onto debugged fuel injection systems. I bet the ECM in my XB9 can do everything necessary to make a turbo be very drivable. Packaging could be a PITA though. A lot of plumbing to cram onto a naked motorcycle. | ||
| Glitch |
Terry got 100HP out of a Nine with only a Micron pipe and dyno time. | ||
| Sloppy |
Cheapest way to get 100 HP? Sell your 9 and get a 12. No joking... | ||
| Gschuette |
Turbos can be made to add low end. A BMW 335 I drove got off the line with about as much authority as any vehicle I have ever driven. | ||
| Xl1200r |
I wonder if all the "stuff" that used to make turbos hard is all "stuff" that has been solved already by the migration onto debugged fuel injection systems. I bet the ECM in my XB9 can do everything necessary to make a turbo be very drivable. The "stuff" has been fixed by things like dual-scroll turbos and no-lift shifting (in a manual trans, you can keep your foot buried in the gas while you shift so the intake doesn't loose any boost). Superchargers do a better job of avoiding the lag, but there's some. The only way to get "right now" power increses is good ol' fashioned internal engine work. | ||
| Northernyankee |
Terry got 100HP out of a Nine with only a Micron pipe and dyno time. Not saying it's not true but I have a really hard time believing that. Every 9 I have seen with exhaust and tuned ecm is in the low 80's at the wheel. So somehow finding ~20hp more is really hard to believe. | ||
| Slaughter |
More power = more heat and more load on ALL components. You can't get 100HP without a lot of money unless you are willing to give up reliability. Of course you can BUILD a motor capable of 100 HP and just never rev it into its powerband - it'll last pretty well as long as you never TRY to get the full power out of it. | ||
| Hr_puffinstuff |
Of course you can BUILD a motor capable of 100 HP and just never rev it into its powerband - it'll last pretty well as long as you never TRY to get the full power out of it. that's like bangin' your mother-in-law to save wear and tear on the ol'lady  | ||
| Whitethunder |
Maby i will just wait for them to get all the bugs out of the new 1125r and just buy that  | ||
| No_rice |
Terry got 100HP out of a Nine with only a Micron pipe and dyno time. Terry and Al got 94 and 74 out of my 9 with the drummer when we were doing the exhaust shootout. Al thought if he had more time to tweak it that last bit he could MAYBE gain a bit more. remember though at that time direct link was still fairly new and we accomplished those numbers in one day of tunning. Terry spent alot of time on that micron'd 9 getting it to that mark. thats before the extra 50 shot of juice its got on it (Message edited by no_rice on August 15, 2008) | ||
| Slaughter |
Don - you owe me one keyboard! I just spit a mouthfull of coffee all over the keyboard and screen. GOOD ONE! | ||
| Northernyankee |
Terry and Al got 94 and 74 out of my 9 with the drummer when we were doing the exhaust shootout. Al thought if he had more time to tweak it that last bit he could MAYBE gain a bit more. IIRC that was a overly optimistic dyno as well. So I would take those numbers with a grain of salt. | ||
| No_rice |
i know that has been said plenty. saying that doesnt make alot of sense though, since the micron ran right at what Al and Terry had seen on there dyno, and the drummer without tunning ran right at what it had done on 3 different dynos. that conversation was had early on at the shootout, but it was hard to justify that being the reason for the numbers when the numbers matched up with what had already been reported from testing on other ones. | ||
| Spiderman |
IIRC that was a overly optimistic dyno as well. So I would take those numbers with a grain of salt.  | ||
| Xl1200r |
that conversation was had early on at the shootout, but it was hard to justify that being the reason for the numbers when the numbers matched up with what had already been reported from testing on other ones. My XB12 with a Spec OPS and Al's own map didn't put near the numbers down at Liberty's dyno that Al got on his. Unless you have a baseline run to compare to, absolute numbers don't mean much. Al himself has said that the dyno was "happy" when they were doing teh shootout, proven by the stock baseline runs. A stock XB12 was laying down 100hp at the wheel on his dyno. | ||
| Northernyankee |
Since I am such a hater, here is a direct quote from the Shootout pdf The dyno was originally equipped with WinPep 6 SW. WinPep 7 is far easier to tune with and was loaded onto the dyno PC. The drum calibration file was not the correct file for the Silver Eagle HD/Buell dyno, and the results obtained indicate that the dyno drum that the SW was calibrated for was slightly heavier than the drum on the dyno that was used. The absolute power and torque values obtained were therefore on the high side (about 5%) of the actual bike outputs. But all of the tests were performed on the same dyno, so the relative results are valid for comparison between the mufflers and for the power and torque plot curve shapes. And as xl1200r said ain't no stock xb12 puttin down 100hp to the wheels. So as I said take it with a grain of salt. | ||
| No_rice |
ok, i forgot i wasnt there... doesnt matter to me. come up with whatever numbers you want to believe. i'll still run my 9 against it someone asks a question and i give an answer. "is it possiable to get 100 horse out of a 9 and still be reliable? no one needs to believe me. just dont be surprised when i pass you. i've heard "you little bastard howd you go past me like that?!" enough times already. its all fun till your mad you got out run by a 9  lol  | ||
| Glitch |
its all fun till your mad you got out run by a 9 Ain't that the truth!!! | ||
| Jeffroj |
I know its been done before on these bikes, but a turbo on an air cooled engine which already gets unbearably hot? Can these air cooled engines really handle that much more heat without serious damage for very long? | ||
| Whitethunder |
My 9 pass all kinds of bikes it seems to be faster than a 12  | ||
| Ekass13 |
My 9 pass all kinds of bikes it seems to be faster than a 12 +1 | ||
| Xoptimizedrsx |
well for whats its worth i have been feeding American Sport Bike a bit of my data for the maps. and for every one getting a map for a pipe type not tuned on that bike. well its a good everyday map as a starter map but tweaked to the bike then you will get much more. every bike has a different flow on the head and ect. so each map will be different. its impossible to pre build a perfect map as a single download. they all are starter maps. tweak it and get more as it will be matched to your bike then. its been a while since a few of us started dicecting the ecms. as i have shared a lot with al for going further areas he didnt have access to with directlink. with the new data the power come in earler and last longer as i even add a complete row of timing at 8000 rpm for the xb9. then i move a bunch of data. my xb9 runs a 12 header copper exhaust seals and my home built pipe. my AVG DYNO HP IS 94/96 TQ RUNS LOW 82/84 THIS IS ON A NEW BRAKED DYNO. i'm with no rice. be it his xb9 or mine you dont want neither beside you on a ave joe bike self tuned. either of us catch you sleeping your toast and you wont chatch up unless your on a 1125. as i ride with a few 1125 bikes now they all will tell you the little xb9 of mine will suprise you in a snap. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I know that given a 35-40lb head start and a smaller aerodynamic cross section, a race kit equipped 12 won't outrun a race kit equipped 9 at 125mph.  Believe me. I tried. Lap after lap. |
