| Author | Message | ||
     José_quiñones |
http://www.moto-station.com/article4469-buell-1125 r-ducati-1098-ktm-rc8-full-power-bologne-sous-pres sion.html Not sure this has been posted yet. | ||
| Palerider |
Ahh, was there a English only tab to click on or should I break out my high school French books? I think we finished third. | ||
| Mustangturbo |
I just read the article on the Buell, it was just a bit slower around the track despite its power disadvantage. It managed to stay within half a second of the Ducatti and .1 seconds of the KTM. They raved about the chassis and how light it felt compared to the others, but they complained about the samethings that all of the other magazines complain about, the heat, the looks, and the low end. It almost sounded like they were so surprised by the way the bike handled that they were never really able to completely push the limits to the edge. With a different rider the story may have been different. Unfortunately they didn't mention that it is 4-5,000 less than the Duc and 6,000 less than the KTM. Oh well, can't win em' all. If anyone wants me to read through the rest of the article let me know! Have fun! | ||
| Thepod |
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/ problem solved | ||
| Zac4mac |
Conclusion Let us not turn around the pot: these motor bikes were built for the performance, the evolution of the payments opening the doors of World Superbike to them. In this case, one can consider that the only Justice of the Peace will be the stopwatch. Ducati carries it thus, of little. She does not suffer from particular defects, if it is not that not to deliver itself to the come first, but Ducati de Superbike forever be a motor bike of beginner. Easier to control for the average motorcyclist, almost so effective for the pro, the KTM 1190 RC8 suffers only from one perfectible gear box and invading vibrations, but it is not there of small defects. And Buell, undermines anything, their adhesive with the wheel, with its facility of piloting bluffante and its level of effectiveness which exceeds the first impressions by far that one feels with his handlebar. In short, one could stick to an easy classification, with Ducati in front of the KTM and Buell, but that leaves a small feeling of unfinished. On this level, the competition is so tight that to be allowed as challenger represents already one crowned performance. And for their first Superbike, it should be admitted that KTM placed the bar rather high with one 1190 RC8 whose level of effectiveness, just like its user friendliness, is straightforwardly remarkable, since the RC8 is in fact much more convivial than its radical design lets it suppose. It's a pity that major defects as the gear box which takes down easily and of the really perturbing vibrations with high mode come to waste the table. These defects, which one finds besides, to differing degree, on all the range equipped with block LC8, prevent it détrôner Ducati. But Bologna was hot, very hot, even. Remain Buell. Last with the stopwatch, but in the wheel of the others, it astonishes by its side jubilatoire as soon as turns are offered to him, although it is more complex to apprehend. And if one inserts in the equation of the rational criteria like the price (and in this field, 1125 R is hyper placed well) or road aptitudes, Buell gains a moral victory then. On the condition of composing with its characteristics.  Thanks to Babelfish page translations - Z (Message edited by zac4mac on August 12, 2008) | ||
| 01xjbuell |
I'm not disappointed at all about that review. The 1125R against 2, basically, purpose built race-oriented bikes. Its the most agile, comfortable, and alot cheaper than both of the competitors. | ||
| Mainstreamer |
The winner in Agility, Comfort, and Price/Performance. Sounds like a bike designed for the road and "from the rider down", good stuff here. I would be interesting to know which mapping was on this Buell. | ||
| Fireboltwillie |
ah, the french have such a way with words | ||
| Xnoahx |
Well sounds like they gave the Buell an overall approval, I just wonder what 'couples' and 'driving character' mean. Also, what do they mean with 'ergonomics?' How could they give it a 3 there but a 5 for comfort? | ||
| 01xjbuell |
I'm assuming for track use the ducati/ktm are more setup better. The more upright/comfortable ergos of the Buell aren't as "racy" as the Ducati (ive sat on the torture rack) and just by seeing the riders on the KTM it seems very aggressive. So for "race" ergos it isn't AS good as the 1098/rc8 but for street riding comfort its great. -nick | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Ergos in this case either mean "race" ergos or possibly the other 2 bikes got the nod due to adjustability features. I know the RC-8 has quite a bit of adjustability built in (seat, pegs.) Not as sure on the Duc. | ||
| Black_snowman |
Couples I believe refers to grip. Driving character I would guess has to do with how close it is to what they're used to. I agree that ergonomics is probably adjustability. | ||
| Mustangturbo |
It is a new bike and is not traditional like the other in two very important areas... Handling, and power delivery. I think that in the right hands it is a very precision oriented instrument, one that takes some getting used to. I only briefly read through the 1125R part of the article, but the comparison wasn't needed. The Buell already showed its stuff in Germany when it took to the winners circle and finished ahead of both of those bikes! | ||
| M2nc |
I think it is a good review. I love reading reviews that leave the writers scratching their heads. The Buell is different in its intent and execution. Its a cross between ST and SS. Its superior chassis design makes up for the lower HP on the track and that has been proven time and time again. The 1125R stays in the hunt on the track then is the overall champ when ridden on the street. Its looks, heat, and engine vibrations seem to be the consistent lows. Its chassis, handling characteristic, rider's comfort and wind protection are its consistent highs. If the moto mags can make the connection between all day road comfort with strong track capabilities, they will find the Buell hard to beat. Unfortunately for Buell, most Moto mags are all about which is faster, in this case the Ducati, even if they can only ride it for 30 minutes at a time. Using a line from Court, I wonder which one they would put money down as a road bike. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Here's something to ponder. With heat being an issue on all Buell bikes, why doesn't Buell take a cue from the automotive industry and install firewall insulation. On a car they install insulation between the engine a driving compartment otherwise you'd roast. For crying out loud, how hard would it be to apply some aerogel or other type of insulation on the inside of the tank/frame so the heat issue could be put to rest. Buell engineers should get their collective acts together and solve this heat issue because it is something that bothers many people. The magazines are where riders go to read about bikes and when all these different mags complain that there is too much heat then Buell better believe it and do something about it. Ignoring the critics does not sell the brand or the bikes. Listening and responding most certainly will. | ||
| Anonymous |
Guess what? All MY09 1125's have been fitted with Aerogel inside the frame to reduce said heat impact. | ||
| Josh_ |
p/n for a retrokit for an 08s? Not that I need it much, TechSpec works for me. | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
"In this case, one can consider that the only Justice of the Peace will be the stopwatch. Ducati carries it thus, of little. She does not suffer from particular defects, if it is not that not to deliver itself to the come first..."  Got to love that translation. | ||
| Xl1200r |
YES! I knew it was a good idea to wait for an '09. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
In the ad that has been running in the magazines for the 1125R with Erik leaning down beside the bike looking as if he's fitting a part on the bike, appears to me to be some sort of insulating material. I found it interesting because that ad came out just before the first round of test rides by journalists, and almost all of them talked about the high amount of heat- especially by the right footpeg. That's exactly where he's kneeling down beside the bike in the photo. Coincidence? | ||
| José_quiñones |
yes, I think he's working on a belly pan in that picture. | ||
| Ustorque |
deleted cause i'm a little slow! ....GO BUELL  } (Message edited by ustorque on August 13, 2008) | ||
| Xl1200r |
MY = Model Year | ||
| Oddball |
Had to look up what Aerogel was. It sounds like an incredible material and something that should help tremendously. Will there be a retrofit kit available for the '08 owners? {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerogel,http://en.wik ipedia.org/wiki/Aerogel} {http://www.aerogel.com/,http://www.aerogel.com/} | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Anonymous, I take it that you bought the Aerogel from some place. Did you get it from Aspen Aerogels? http://www.aerogel.com/ Tell us more about what you used, its cost, how you applied it and what the results are. | ||
| Zac4mac |
I'm quite sure that Anony is saying all the new 1125s are leaving the Factory with Aerogel. Not a "personal" mod... Z | ||
| Court |
>>>>All MY09 1125's have been fitted with Aerogel inside the frame to reduce said heat impact. That is an accurate statement. >>>>Will there be a retrofit kit available for the '08 owners? No. PERSONAL OPINION | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
That is interesting. I wrote Aspen many many months ago about purchasing some of their product and they did not return an answer. Too small a potato I guess. How thick is the aerogel Buell is using? Is it by chance a Spaceloft or Pyrogel product? The MSDS makes me think this stuff needs special handling to avoid silicosis. Hope the Buell folks take that seriously. | ||
| Xl1200r |
I remember seeing a TV show about Aerogel (they were calling it "frozen smoke"). Interesting stuff. There was a lot of note about how light it was. | ||
| Spiderman |
The MSDS makes me think this stuff needs special handling to avoid silicosis. Hope the Buell folks take that seriously. From what I hear, they are just attaching it to the frame with pixi dust and hope... |
