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Hayabusa
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 09:02 am: | 
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I meant Nov 07...after getting abused by Blake (apparently family time doesn't take away from calling me a troll) my life is in ruin!
Frenso, I do watch Speed and I have never seen a Buell commercial, or maybe I lost them between the Suzuki, Kawasaki, and Yamaha commercials. I do see the ads in my Sport Rider and Motorcyclist. As for your comment about the refinement of a Japanese Bike...are you implying that the Buell is not refined? Are you saying that it is an inferior bike? For 12K, I want refined...don't you? I took the risk and sold the Busa for the Buell; I have easily talked with over 20 import rider about the Buell. I don't spend my time hanging out with only other Buell riders, I have done my part to get the word out on this bike which I have stated in my posts as well as in my words to other sportbike riders that this is the finest handling bike on the road! I have also been fair in my assessment of the heat, boiling fuel, and touchy brakes. So if you all feel the need to get on a guy who spent the money, stood by his purchase, and has even tried to get others to switch over go ahead. It just proves to me why I can't find any other 1125 riders around. Being a Buell rider shouldn't be an exclusive club where we all swear total loyalty to the brand and promise never to question design decisions or how the bike functions; that would make us Ducati owners. The one thing I can say about the guys who ride imports with me, they have no loyalty. They take the bike for what it is worth and how it performs...nothing else. That is how I react to the 1125R...and when I feel like it is performing like 12K I will gladly remove my criticism. Until the new reflash cools my bike off and keeps it from stalling under 2500 RPM's be prepared for some less then complimentary comments.
Have a nice day. |
M2nc
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 10:46 am: |
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I thought this was a motorcycle forum..
It is, but this is a thread about the Master Bike article, not the "I want to bitch about my bike thread." I fully support such a thread. The problem is when you have said your peace, you continue to post the same comments on every other thread on the board even if the topic is completely unrelated. That is trolling, price of entry or not. A thread label, "What do you think of your 1125R", would be a perfect place for such comments.
I really wanted to converse on the Master Bike Article because the first American motorcycle maker to provide a competitive product for such a comparison has been so obviously excluded. Instead the thread has been hijacked by the definition of Trolling! Can I suggest if you want to continue to discuss Trolling that you move it to the backfire section and let this thread get back on topic. |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 01:38 pm: |
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are you implying that the Buell is not refined? Are you saying that it is an inferior bike?
Not at all, the quotes around the word "refinement" were meant to indicate a bit of sarcasm.
I can tell you one thing--from your screen name to last post you DEFINITELY need to go back to riding an import. That way you can fit in better with you "boys" and you don't have to rattle on about what a POS the 1125r is... |
01xjbuell
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 03:24 pm: |
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why do any of you keep this bike if you feel so strongly that it needs so much work? Yeah, we have had problems, yeah, I think it could not only hang w/ but surprise many bikes on the market, but does it lack some refinement of other bikes in that test? absolutely. I still love it, and will continue to love it.
-Nick |
Madav8tr
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 06:32 pm: |
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'Busa, I mean this in the nicest way possible but to me it sounds like you really belong on a more conventional sportbike. Vtwins aren't for everybody and to me it sounds like you are more of an I4 kinda guy. Nothing wrong with that IMO. I have owned everything in the sportbike world it seems and a Vtwin fits me when it comes to a street oriented motorcycle. Some of the "issues" you have with the 1125R were the same issues I had with both my RC51's and my Duc 996. Man, the RC got hot, much hotter than my 1125 but I digress. It also seems that you didn't properly anticipate the growing pains associated with a 1st year production bike. This isn't a simple upgrade to an existing platform but an entirely new bike and problems are to be expected. Combine that with the limited numbers these bikes are produced in and "fixes" can be hard to come by in a timely manner. Having owned a few 1st year bikes I had an idea of what to expect and thankfully, so far, none of my expectations have materialized. It's too bad that you are experiencing these troubles because I am thoroughly enjoying my 1125. If I were in your shoes I would sell the Buell and get something else. |
Teddagreek
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 06:54 pm: |
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Start of thread...
Why was the 1125R left out of this competition this year? A year when Buell has arguably made their best and most capable sportbike. Were they not invited? They had an explanation as to why Ducati couldn't get a 1098R there.
Instead, they had the antiquated Aprilla that won in 06, and almost won again this year had it not been for the CBR1000. That alone makes me think the 1125R would have had a chance here.
Please help me understand this one guys. Is this blatant bias?
Is it just me or do I get its more about Buell not being at masterbike?
Triumph's 675 not present as well? |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 07:11 pm: |
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Daytona 675 was in the Masterbike and scored a 9.6 Rider Rating (a score so much better than the rest of the field that it looks like a typo). The avg. rider rating was 6.4 |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 07:33 pm: |
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>>>>seems that you didn't properly anticipate the growing pains associated with a 1st year production bike.
Or, and perhaps just as importantly, made the quantum error of thinking/suggesting Buells were the only bike to experience teething pains.
I was at my BMW/Ducati dealer the other day and while there notices that several (as in more than one of each model) of the 1098 and Hypermotards, were exhibiting significant oil leaks with the concomitant spewing all over the side of the bike.
The tech told me . . . no big deal . . it's the first year, they'll work it out. I'd wager they will.
Buells have had, in the past, their share of quirks and recalls but to suggest they even approach the mean in the industry is unsubstantiated silliness.
The 1125R is really cutting edge technology and Buell has done some things to support customers that other motorcycle companies have never even dreamed about. If you are going to experience any of this "first year" stuff I'd prefer to be with a company with a leading the industry record of standing behind their product.
It's also nice when you are riding the bike on a race track with the President of the company and can compare notes after a track session.
Here . . .take this test:
Suzuki: (name of company executive you have ridden with and discussed the product with)-(FILL IN THE BLANK)
Ducati: (name of company executive you have ridden with and discussed the product with)-(FILL IN THE BLANK)
Honda: (name of company executive you have ridden with and discussed the product with)-(FILL IN THE BLANK)
Triumph: (name of company executive you have ridden with and discussed the product with)-(FILL IN THE BLANK)
The Buell is a fairly amazing and unusual piece of machinery. If you are a fairly normal person, you may not feel comfortable on a Buell.
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Hayabusa
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 07:36 pm: |
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I will put aside my gripes so that the thread can get back on track. I just got my copy of Cycle World and was very surprised with the competition. The absence of the Ducati definitely changed things a bit; however I think admitting the top of line superbike into a competition with top flite street bikes is like watching Division I prospects play high school sports...their competition may look the same and try to play the same but they are most definitely different. I was very surprised by the RC8, it posted very good times and the riders enjoyed their laps on it. The tranny must have been pretty poor if it was able to swing it into second place for the twins. I was also a little surprised with its dyno numbers, I know that dyno's are subjective but given the literature released by KTM I figured something in the low 160's at the crank which does not mesh with the 138 put to the ground. I wonder if KTM fudged some things in the original press release or if the bike that was tested was down on power. I would have also like to see the 1125 on that same dyno, that could set up a great comparison for 09 between 1125 and the RC8. I also enjoyed seeing how good the European 1000RR really is compared to the toned down American version. The 10R has a sick powerplant and to see the the 1000RR puts down more power is down right impressive. Given the handling characteristics of 1125 I think it would have been very competitive in the contest...we will see how things go next year. |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 08:21 pm: |
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Paragraphs. Get some.
I don't know how to prove that baloney is not engineering. Most folks just accept that it is not. |
Doerman
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 08:35 pm: |
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If you are a fairly normal person, you may not feel comfortable on a Buell.
Thank you so much Court!
You have just saved me a bundle on a Psychiatrist. It is also incredibly good news for me. I can now confidently go forth, be myself and not follow the crowd.
Hmmm.. come to think of it.. "not follow the crowd" sounds eerily familiar.  |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 08:54 pm: |
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The Supertwins category consisted of BMW HP2, RC-8 & RSV. Interesting that the 1098 was absent due to the fact that Dunlop replaced the Pirelli control tires at the last minute and the Dunlops hit the 1098R (yes R--WTF?) front cylinder head under braking.
Can someone please explain how a tire change can make this happen? I assume that the tire sizes were identical between the two brands.
And shame on Cycle World for almost letting the 1098R ruin this Masterbike competition. I suppose the "S" would have been fair game, but do they even let the base 1098 out for anything these days? Guess, the can't take the chance with all the stiff competition... |
Teddagreek
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 09:11 pm: |
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I did a little searching seems "Dunlops can expand more"
*doesn't the R have Anti-Dive?
*Seems it would hit the radiator, Anyone have another pic maybe the angle doesn't show it right..
No Triumph this year either? |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 09:38 pm: |
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Yes, the Triumph Daytona 675 participated. |
Teddagreek
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2008 - 10:32 pm: |
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My bad missed that one... Only read it once.. |
Dentguy
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 08:51 am: |
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And shame on Cycle World for almost letting the 1098R ruin this Masterbike competition. I suppose the "S" would have been fair game, but do they even let the base 1098 out for anything these days? Guess, the can't take the chance with all the stiff competition...
It is a "Masterbike" competition not a "base model" competition. I would expect any manufacturer to bring their best. |
Rasta_dog
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 10:32 am: |
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Damn it! I just wish a Buell rep would go on record as to why the 1125R didn't participate. My guess is that it came down to a business (money) decision for Buell, which, as someone who works for a small family owned business, I would totally understand.
I hope Buell participates in Master Bike 2009. |
Ceejay
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 11:55 am: |
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R-dog-why? Vindication? Don't you like the bike already? I'm not trying to call you or anyone else out, but it seems that many buell owners take pride in the fact that they don't see onother one very often(I on the other hand see at least another one every day but I work at an engineering firm).
We all know how well they work(or don't in some's eyes) thus I'm really confused by the reason people want to see more of them in the public eye but we don't want to see more people ride them? I'm not saying you have said this, but it seems the general consensus on board that being "one of a kind" is a good thing. Thus gaining more magazine exposure would be conterproductive to that end because if they performed well-which I'm sure we'd all hope for, more people would buy them and then the next thing you know most on this board would be looking for a new bike in order to remain on that "one of a kind" mini bandwagon.
I'm just spitballing here but I don't really care if Buell gets into mags too much, as a few of the guys I ride with know how well they can perform(lots of questions about the 1125 as they know I've ridden one) and I really enjoy my bike. The only reason I'd like to see Buell grow is so they are able to fully participate in more racing orgs. as I really don't care to see anymore of them on the street than I already do(10% of the bikes I saw on my ride this weekend were buells). |
Chadhargis
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 12:44 pm: |
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I'm glad the 1125 ISN'T in the Masterbike competition.
It's not really designed to be a "race replica" like the rest of the field. It's designed for the "rider". It's a "kindler gentler" kind of sportbike. One that you can actually live with.
I own a Gixxer 600...and it's a torture rack on the street. Fun on the track, but on the street, it's hideous.
I'm betting the 1125R could be ridden more than 20 minutes without requiring a handful of Advil.
It may not be as fast as a Hondakawayammasuzki, Ducati, MV, etc....but that doesn't make it less of a bike. It just depends on what you want.
No need to pit it against such hard core bikes. |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 02:29 pm: |
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It is a "Masterbike" competition not a "base model" competition. I would expect any manufacturer to bring their best.
If you will reread, I made the comment that base model 1098 comparos are scarce these days. To me, the "S" model is the obvious choice for a "fair" comparison.
A $40K 1098R would have been a total ringer and skewed the Supertwin class. It would be interesting to know who decided on the "R"--Cycle World or Ducati?
I have my money on Ducati. |
01xjbuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 03:00 pm: |
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Well Ducati didn't want to lose, right? If Buell had an 1125R and an 1125RR which do you think they would send? and I would assume if KTM had an RC8 and an RC8R they would also send the best... |
Dentguy
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 03:14 pm: |
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Fresnobuell,
I did read what you said. Actually, I quoted it and I wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers.
Maybe I should have tried to be clearer. I see it as a "Masterbike" competition meaning bring your best bike period, not bring something comparable to the others. The magazine already has those comparisons at other times during the year to try and be "fair".
If the 1098R did spank the others if it was included then you could always say, but it costs $40K. |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 04:32 pm: |
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I understand your point Dentguy, I guess I want to see a real "competition" of the Supertwins with bikes the average Joe can buy--the average Joe could never afford to drop $40+ large on the 1098R.
IMO, one of the most intoxicating things about bikes, is that 99% of them are affordable by anyone.
Goto an exotic car show (the only street legal 4-wheel machines that can hold a candle to a "Masterbike") and they all cost 6 & 7 digits. Cool to look at--but that's as close as you will ever get to one.
Now take the Cycleworld IMS--it's a whole different experience knowing that almost any production bike under the roof COULD be yours if desired.....like a kid in a candy store! |
Dentguy
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 04:55 pm: |
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Fresnobuell,
I know what you mean about the "average Joe" Supertwins. The 1098R is definitely not one of them.
I would love to see a big shootout of all the Supertwins and I mean all just to be able to compare performance. Then separate them by price vs. performance to see how they stack up.
I'll keep my fingers crossed. |
Chadhargis
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Comparing by price would be a slaughter by the Japanese. They mass produce bikes in such volume, that they can hit a lower price point with very high quality.
Why pay $40k for a 1098R, when you can buy a stock CBR, Gixxer, Ninja, R1 for less than $10k, and bolt on some go fast track part and eat the 1098R for lunch.
You'll also be able to get it worked on in just about any city in America.
It's not always about the best performance. Sometimes a buyer wants something unique, that meets their particular needs. |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 05:29 pm: |
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Dent,
It will happen. I keep thinking how amazing it is that Buell has made one of the very best V-Twin sportbikes in the world--to even be considered for the Masterbike is an accomplishment in itself.
This may sound a little squidish, but it sure is FUN knowing that the only thing on the street that can touch you is a well-ridden IL4 literbike. |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 05:43 pm: |
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This may sound a little squidish, but it sure is FUN knowing that the only thing on the street that can touch you is a well-ridden IL4 literbike.
Or a 1098
Or a RC-8
Gotta give respect where it is due. |
Dentguy
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 05:59 pm: |
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It's not always about the best performance. Sometimes a buyer wants something unique, that meets their particular needs.
Well said Chad. I have bought a lot of bikes and most were due to reasons beyond performance. |
Rasta_dog
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 08:39 pm: |
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My personal reasons for wanting the 1125R included in Master Bike 2009:
1) Pride
2) I enjoy competition |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 08:43 pm: |
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Unique=Buell.
I still haven't seen another 1125r out in the wild yet. One side of me loves that. The other side of me wants the 25 to be a huge commercial success as that might drive Buell to build a RR version in the near future. |
M2nc
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 12:14 am: |
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I find it funny that a tire change made the $40 large 1098R uncompetitive. I guess if I had a bike that cost 4x the rest of the bikes there, I would be a little skeered to be showed up too. It also leaves a lot to be said for how much Ducati specially tunes there bikes for moto reviews. |
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