| Author | Message | ||
     Tramp |
Umm.... Russia is NOT the successor state to the USSR. It's a recovered nation. Ft_bstrd- lest you forget, the geographical presence of Israel is, in fact, Zionism. Much like northern Ireland, some territorial/occupational disputes are really about just that, with religion being painted on them by the aggressor nations. Georgia engenders a bit of both, but, make absolutely NO mistake about it, the Georgian conflict was likely schemed up by Russian moles as a "cat's away" push to regain some of Georgia's original ground, so that Mother Russia would have an excuse to roll in and retake a major oil supply route. Oil is the currency of of the 21st century's dawn, and Mother Russia needs to control all of it that she can, before the Autumn. US intervention will do nothing, our own military resources are spread far too thin as it is, and our economic stamina is shot. Our own republic is SO infiltrated with Russian "Mafiya" ("retired"...cough cough... KGB thugs) that we may consider them, on the whole, as one concrete sleeper. Not the best time for the US to try to call shots that it can't enforce. | ||
| Lledlaw |
I take your point, although this recovered nation has slightly different geographic boundaries to the old. Has anyone noticed a neatly trimmed growth of upper lip fur on Putin yet, I haven't but I heard a rumour that the Poles are getting worried. | ||
| Spiderman |
This is getting out of hand!!  | ||
| Tramp |
Clearly, the love-child of Lisa Marie Presley and Micheal Jackson.... I'd hitit.net | ||
| Lledlaw |
Spiderman you're right. But the way this subject is reported by the media makes it's hard to get a grasp of the real motives. Oil is definately one, another is NATO membership for Georgia suggested by the US in April and rejected by 10 Nato member countries. Why? Aggression toward one memberstate requires action from all members, why does the US want Georgia in Nato etc... etc..... There's so much recent history to this topic that there are books available on the subject. Definately the end of this string for me. | ||
| Tramp |
You forgot that our ally, Georgia, is swimming in US company personnel, who may easily have planted a seed in the Georgian admin.'s ear, suggesting retaking of Ossetian territories while the cat's away.... thus giving Russia the open door to 'liberate' the Ossetians, and move in a tad to take over those oil lines... thereby strangling some US competition....while granting Mother Russia a stronger hold on her reserves It's the age of oil, lads. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Tramp, Please explain "recovered". I don't follow. Communism was to world domination what a Ritz cracker is to cheeseball. As far as Israel is concerned, it wouldn't matter where they were located, they would have folks gunning for them. Survival instinct isn't the same as Zionism. They are merely an excuse rather than a reason. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
It will be very interesting to see what Bush thinks he can do. Damn thing reads like a cheap Clancy knock off. | ||
| Oldog |
NATO membership for Georgia suggested by the US in April and rejected by 10 Nato member countries. Why? This would be the cuban missle crises in reverse how did WE react? I hope that the Georgians can maintain their autonimy (sp?) } | ||
| Tramp |
Ft_bstrd- as to my point that Russia is NOT a successor state, but, in fact a recovered nation: Russia existed before the USSR, therefor it's not a successor state, it's a recovered state. "Kievan Rus" , or "Russia" was established in the 9th century, and the Russian Empire" encompassed an area stretching from Poland to the Pacific Ocean in the early 1700s. During the short tenure of communism, "Russia" existed only as a group of federated staes. Now, having shaken communism off in it's wake, Russia is a "recovered" nation, much as your motorcycle would be a "recovered" vehicle had someone stolen it for some time, and it were eventually brought back to you. Communism stole Russia and it's attendant culture for a period, and freedom brought it back. As to Zionism, I disagree with your presumption that they are merely an excuse, not a reason. Had Israel been placed, say, in the middle of Russia (where most Jewish folks' ancestors hail from), the US and the Islamic world would have few, if any , problems. Being as the US helped to place Israel in the middle of Palestinian lands (which are, also,part of ancient Judea, the homeland of the diaspora), the Palestinians, and their neighbours, are pissed off. When Israel invaded the West bank, helping itself to even more land than even the US agreed it should have, the Palestinians were even more pissed off. Now, were it not for US support, the Palestinians would have likley have run the Israelis out of town decades ago. This is the essence of much of the world's issue with Zionism. Why would the US effectively create and support this country that aggressively invaded it's neighbours? I have Israeli friends who are anti-zionist, and many Israeli soldiers who've fought at the front on the bank actually sympathise with the Palestinians. Had the US compelled Israel to mind its manners back in the '60s, and had the US not insisted on playing bodyguard to this aggressive state, the Arab world would not resent the US, and we'd still have a World Trade Center in NYC. Ever hear of the USS Liberty attack of 1967, and the 34 American sailors who died in that event? let me put it more simply for you- Our government tells you and your neighbours that your land, and that of your neigbours', is being given to "Native Americans" whose ancestors originally lived there. You are moved from your home, with your neighbours, and told to eke out an existence elsewhere. You comply. Then, the "Native Americans" decide that your old yard and driveway simply aren't enough, they want more, so they engage you in a firefight, killing many of your friends and neighbours, and are allowed to keep their newly-gained land, and you lose even more. If YOU were pissed off about that, would that be , simply "an excuse"? | ||
| Teddagreek |
Looks like things maybe nipped.. Georgia agrees to cease-fire proposal.. http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/12/georgia .russia.war/index.html | ||
| Bigdaddy |
USS Liberty? Yep, Puzzle Palace. There's plenty of Israelis, Jewish Israelis, that have more generations from that area than the Palestinians. Odds are if you're a Palestinian then your father, or grandfather, was kicked out of Jordan -- way after 1948. There's plenty of Jewish Israelis that have history on their side when it comes to 'who's been here the longest' type questions. The Palestinians are their own worst enemy and have been for at least 3 generations. | ||
| M2nc |
A proper result to this conflict. It's proof that the US is a smaller player and Russia has purse strings that can be pulled. I see this as good thing. Instead of US Nuclear Weapons keeping old Soviets in check, Euros keep Russia in check these days. Its all good, as an American I am glad we can sit back and let someone else take the lead. The White House may not like it, but I for one do not want the American president to be a world leader. He just needs to be the American leader. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Ft_bstrd- as to my point that Russia is NOT a successor state, but, in fact a recovered nation: Russia existed before the USSR, therefor it's not a successor state, it's a recovered state. "Kievan Rus" , or "Russia" was established in the 9th century, and the Russian Empire" encompassed an area stretching from Poland to the Pacific Ocean in the early 1700s. During the short tenure of communism, "Russia" existed only as a group of federated staes. Now, having shaken communism off in it's wake, Russia is a "recovered" nation, much as your motorcycle would be a "recovered" vehicle had someone stolen it for some time, and it were eventually brought back to you. Communism stole Russia and it's attendant culture for a period, and freedom brought it back. As to Zionism, I disagree with your presumption that they are merely an excuse, not a reason. Had Israel been placed, say, in the middle of Russia (where most Jewish folks' ancestors hail from), the US and the Islamic world would have few, if any , problems. Being as the US helped to place Israel in the middle of Palestinian lands (which are, also,part of ancient Judea, the homeland of the diaspora), the Palestinians, and their neighbours, are pissed off. When Israel invaded the West bank, helping itself to even more land than even the US agreed it should have, the Palestinians were even more pissed off. Now, were it not for US support, the Palestinians would have likley have run the Israelis out of town decades ago. This is the essence of much of the world's issue with Zionism. Why would the US effectively create and support this country that aggressively invaded it's neighbours? I have Israeli friends who are anti-zionist, and many Israeli soldiers who've fought at the front on the bank actually sympathise with the Palestinians. Had the US compelled Israel to mind its manners back in the '60s, and had the US not insisted on playing bodyguard to this aggressive state, the Arab world would not resent the US, and we'd still have a World Trade Center in NYC. Ever hear of the USS Liberty attack of 1967, and the 34 American sailors who died in that event? let me put it more simply for you- Our government tells you and your neighbours that your land, and that of your neigbours', is being given to "Native Americans" whose ancestors originally lived there. You are moved from your home, with your neighbours, and told to eke out an existence elsewhere. You comply. Then, the "Native Americans" decide that your old yard and driveway simply aren't enough, they want more, so they engage you in a firefight, killing many of your friends and neighbours, and are allowed to keep their newly-gained land, and you lose even more. If YOU were pissed off about that, would that be , simply "an excuse"? Interesting viewpoints. Much to ponder. Counterpoint--Russia: I don't view the current Russia as "recovered" any more than one could consider Germany "recovered". Each chose a political doctrine voluntarily. Their people ceded power and free will to Nationalist Facism under Germany and Communism under Russia. Russia wasn't "invaded" any a foreign entity called USSR any more than Germany was "invaded" by a foreign entity called The Third Reich. Each political system was eventually defeated due to external forces and wasn't reinitiated by each nation's respective populace. The United States could lean toward either a Communist or National Facist political bent in much the same way as Russia or Germany. Were these political dispositions supplanted by later elections, I don't know that I would consider the United States "recovered". Were Russia to slip back into Communism by the choice of the electorate, I don't know that I would consider them "unrecovered". Counterpoint--Israel: I would agree with your position were the beginning of Israel in 1947. The Jewish nation has had an almost 2400 year history with that particular parcel of land. It predates any modern Palestinian involvement. The smallest populations of Jews in Israel were between 1100 and 1564. From that point forward, there was a constant migration if Jews back into Israel. The UN, in an attempt to make some sort of restorative measure following the Holocaust, accelerated a event that would have become completed regardless of their involvement simply due to momentum. Were the Jews allowed to flea from Germany, they would have migrated either to the US or to Israel. Those not migrating to Israel would have showed continued political and financial support of the nation with investments as well as political support of political leaders supporting Israel. 9 Million dead tends to make a big dent in migration velocities. Most of the inhabitants lived on land purchased from local Arab inhabitants. These lands were not seized by Britain. Upon official declaration and recognition of Israel by the UN, Israel was promptly attacked by the neighboring Arab states. The reasoning for the attack was less about the land or even the occupation (area had been under British rule for over 30 years). They declared war because of religious differences rather than political differences. Those differences remain and will as long as radical Islam exists. It is much simpler to control the masses when you can keep them ginned up over a common enemy. Your example isn't completely correct. Were I to BUY a piece of property rightfully and then invite many of my friends and family to BUY neighboring property rightfully, it isn't an invasion, it's a migration. If there are enough of us in a high enough concentration and if we had a history of being ruthlessly persecuted in both Russia and Europe, the UN might declare that since we are already there legally and rightfully that it might make sense to declare that area "sovereign". Now you might not like that we have slowly and quietly congregated in an area near you, but if you are willing to co-exist peacefully with us, there would be no problem. If you persist in making attacks on my, my friends, and my family, I might be inclined to attack you and your family and friends. If I have driven you off your land, I might not be inclined to give it back right away. A little buffer area might not be a bad thing for me considering your continued ill will. Now if you chose to continue the conflict and mount heavy armor in the highlands above the land we rightfully purchased and on which we currently dwell, I might decide that allowing you to keep the high ground places me and my friends and family at further risk. Depriving you of that land would seem the prudent thing to do. Not all the time you are waging war on me, my family and friends, you are also neglecting your fields, not maintaining your homes, and burning and looting your own stores. This reduces your ability to create a stable economic environment whereby the ability to provide a living for yourself is diminished. External investment in your area is also reduced further exacerbating the problem. At the same time, you also place in political positions individuals who are untrustworthy and are not recognized by the global community as honest brokers. You might even appoint an individual who works to further the conflict for his own gain:  Were there also neighboring area who also didn't that I and my group was there, that neighboring area might actively work to continue to foment the conflict as a vehicle to control the citizens in its area. This neighboring area could support your area by supplying resources, technical expertise, tactical advice, and arms. Why does the US support Israel? I believe our nation feels it has a moral duty to help to ensure that what our troops found and witnessed in the concentration camps is never repeated and that Israel has a fighting chance to defend itself against those who would seek to destroy Israel as a nation. The question is this, would Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, etc. STILL seek to kill every Jew possible if they were located in Kansas instead of Israel? Yep. Dates back to Abraham, Sarah, Hagar and Ishmael. Whether you believe in the biblical narrative or not, both Jews and Muslims do. Thank you for having a discussion with me. I truly enjoy it. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
The Russians will continue to do what the Russians always have, see the world through their own prism and expand their influence and tribute at any point that they can. The Russian physique seems to vacillate between nationalism/protectionism to expansion/conquest as much as the American Example. They are just more affective at the extremes. Maybe we should take some note of it, and get some troops down on the southern border, bomb the hell out of it, and seize some oil fields in the process... and then declare a truce when we control the rail head, the refinery, the pipeline, and the ports. | ||
| Tramp |
Ft_Bstrd: You're missing the point re: Russia "recovered". That descriptor is a response to a post referring to Russia as a successor state. It's primacy (as is the case w/Germany) renders the "Successor" descriptor void. As to Israel, thanks for sharing your opinions. This ain't my first rodeo when discussing Zionism and the Palestinian question. I had to endure tall class hours entailing long, boring lectures on the subject, one that could easily burn far more bandwidth than Badweb has at hand. It IS an issue that, had America not gotten involved in it past patriating the diaspora, we'd still have our World Trade Center. Big Daddy- USS Liberty: "Puzzle Palace"? Hardly ... To over 100 survivors of the attack, who are on record as witnessing Israeli buzzing over their deck and their American flag. Cityxslicker: Your opening sentence: " The Russians will continue to do what the Russians always have, see the world through their own prism and expand their influence and tribute at any point that they can. " Can be applied to ALL countries, nations, ideologies and tribes. If America actually had the troops to spare, your idea might work...right now, however, as many of us had predicted , years ago, America is undermanned even at our own borders, expansionism is out of the question. | ||
| Bigdaddy |
Tramp, I'm 100% accurate. James Bamford had some great sources about what did, and did not, happen in regards to the Liberty. His book was actually required reading. If you've not read it then you should -- if I had any clue where my copy was I'd send it to you. I'm not arguing if it happened and American men died -- it happened and we lost some very brave folks. I'd really like to hear what Jackbequick could say on the subject -- he was a Navy ditty-bop during that time. It was before my time, and yours too, so we can only rely on what's written and whatever we may, or may not, have been indoctrinated with. "Jack!" I could absolutely bore you to the edge suicide with an oral history of Israel and the Jewish people. Formal education and family history. | ||
| Tramp |
"Tramp, I'm 100% accurate." ...about what you READ, as required by the DOD, sure. I don't doubt this for a moment...you are stating what the text told you occurred. I had the pleasure of speaking, many times, with two men who'd served on "Lib". One taught at the postgrad, a few blocks from my school, the other was retired altogether and lived nearby. both stated , with absolute credibility, that they were buzzed continually by the Israeli aircraft, to which they waved cheerfully, with the American Flag flown high above the deck, with English wording on the sides of the ship. I don't doubt that i could read a book telling me any version of it, and our uncles'required reading is certainly selective on the subject. I FAR better trust the accounts of these brave, surviving seamen. the holocaust also happened before your time or my own, but I trust the stories of the many survivors of that, as well. ....that and the piles of shoes at Osczwiem and Terezin} (Message edited by tramp on August 13, 2008) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
WRT Russia, I guess I would consider it "reformed" rather than recovered. Any movement toward political ideologies of old would make it "lapsed". WRT Israel, Islam would hate and target us regardless of our involvement with Israel. Our creation of Britany Spears is enough to garner a suicide bomber or 10,000. | ||
| Tramp |
Ft-Bstrd: you have NO data defending a statement like: "Islam would hate and target us regardless of our involvement with Israel" Your crusade-recessive hatred of a religion dissimilar to your own blinds your world view. I've known many wonderful people of muslim faith who love America. As to Russia, you're just mincing words, now. A poster referred to Russia as a successor state. I accurately corrected that misassertion. I've spent time in Russia and in several Muslim countries, and have long-standing friends, still, in all of them. How many visits have you made to Russia or a Muslim country, if you don't mind me asking? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The animosity of Islam toward the US isn't a single cause issue. Were there a giant mushroom cloud over Israel tomorrow with every single Jew dead, the hatred wouldn't stop. Were every single Jew dead globally tomorrow, the hatred wouldn't stop. Radical Islam is satisfied only with a global Islamic state. Hatred of the US and Israel are simply tools to properly orient the populace toward that aim. It isn't that different than the propaganda strategies of the Soviet Union, Germany, Japan, or even the US:  There are many nice peace loving Muslim people around the world. Our troops have gotten to know many of them personally as they eat dinner with them (my buddy who just returned tells me stories about his "adoptive" family). The problem is that 80% of the Muslim population stand silent (and frightened) as the radical 10% hijack the religion funded by the remaining 10%. In the end, the radical 10% want the same thing as any aggressor body, power and more power. When we catch up with these paragons of Islamic faith, they are usually fat, drunk, and horny (just like the 19 hijackers prior to their little trip into the WTC). Islam = different opiate for a different "mass". | ||
| Tramp |
That's all great conjecture, on your part... but, getting back to my question, respectfully: How many visits to Russia, and to Muslim countries, have you actually made?} | ||
| Bigdaddy |
...about what you READ, as required by the DOD, sure. Public domain isn't my sole source of information. The Friendship Annex doesn't have any DOD schools -- yea, I'm splitting some hairs on that particular accord. | ||
| Tramp |
yes, you are. You alluded only to books. | ||
| Bigdaddy |
I really have no desire to go to jail. | ||
| Cowboy |
I have made many for a lot of yrs I find that the resentment has been developed more out of jelouisy than any thing else. It is just human nature. my dimes worth. | ||
| Tramp |
Great point, BD & cowboy...both with which I agree. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
How many visits to Russia, and to Muslim countries, have you actually made? This addressed toward me? | ||
| Snowscum |
The Beginning Of The Olympics...And Of WWIII From: Eugene R. Berry [mailto:frerberry@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 1:48 PM To: Eugene R. Berry Subject: The Beginning Of The Olympics...And Of WWIII On this last Friday, the eighth day of the eighth month of the eighth year of the new millennium we witnessed a fantastic spectacle, a peaceful gathering of the many nations of our small blue planet; a competition of the best young athletes from all over the world. The Olympics make us proud to be humans; proud to be citizens of Earth. Sadly, on this same day, we saw what future historians will count as the day that the Third World War began. It was designed this way, by the evil people who worked hard to begin the war under the cover of the Olympics. We all like to be right, myself included, but sometimes it is not so wonderful. I have written a series of articles over the last few weeks on the coming nightmare centered on the neo-con grand strategy. I predicted the outbreak of hostilities in Georgia and Russia and said that there is a strong link between what is happening there and to what is about to happen against Iran. I said that the war in Georgia was intended as a strategic distraction for Russia as America, the United Kingdom, France, Israel, and others assemble their large naval blockade of Iran, but a strategic distraction that would backfire. I also described the massive US Naval armada headed for Iran; the make-up of this extremely large and powerful force is as I described it several days ago (this has now been confirmed by Israeli sources). As Russian troops and air force pilots, and thousands of Russian civilians die in combat in Europe for the first time since 1945, only miles from their homeland (on land that was part of the Russian Empire and Soviet Union for centuries), the sleeping Russian Bear has been awaken and filled with a terrible resolve. The fact that only within the last few weeks have the 1,000+ American Marines - sent in to train the Georgians for this very war - left is not overlooked by the Russians. The fact that (according to DEBKA the well-connected Israeli strategy and military site) over 1,000 Israeli "mercenaries" are actively engaged in combat with the Russian Army on the side of the Georgians is also not overlooked. The fact that the American neo-con administration and the Israelis have been engaged in a fury of advanced arms sales and deliveries over the last year, and that these weapons are killing Russians on their own historic territory, is not overlooked. The fact that the Bush administration tried very hard to get its European NATO partners to accept Georgia as a NATO member without success (too many European nations saw the trap and smelled a rather large rat), and the fact that had this neo-con gambit succeeded NATO would be in war against Russia now ~ this also is not overlooked by the Russian bear. The fact that the Georgian Defense Minister is a 'former' Israeli and many current and retired Israeli generals are deeply involved in Georgia is also not overlooked by the Russian bear. The American-supported, Israeli commando-staffed, attack on the civilian population of South Ossetia ~ where Georgian troops conducted volley-fire artillery cleanings of a number of villages and settlements housing Russian citizens, destroying people's homes and killing 1,500 civilians (and killing 10 lightly armed Russian peacekeeping troops and wounding 30) in the opening stages of the attack ~ is also not overlooked by the Russians. This is the Russian 9/11. While the Russian 9/11 was taking place, the massive American/British/French naval armada was/is assembling to begin the blockade of Iran (a blockade is considered an act of war under international law), and the European Union, acting under cover of the media coverage of the Olympics, has formally approved a blockade of Iran (not using the word blockade but establishing tough new sanctions on Iran with cargo inspections and intercepts ~ in other words a BLOCKADE). Neither Russia nor China, which gets a large percentage of its oil and natural gas from Iran, are willing to allow this to happen. The strategic distraction for Russia is not going to work; nor is China going to allow its distraction ~ the hosting of the Olympics ~ to rob it of its strategic source of oil and natural gas, so necessary for its economy. Grand strategy is very interesting and complex. It is rather like space chess or space checkers ~ played on several levels. However, in real life grand strategy, the various levels have players that are often not aware of the nature of the game on the level above. We have the Israeli population, a majority who support an attack on Iran, "to prevent it from acquiring nuclear weapons of mass destruction", who do not know that the Iranians already have advanced biological weapons of mass destruction with potential kill levels very similar to that of strategic nuclear war. They will pay with their lives for this lack of knowledge. On one level, the neo-cons are all about creating a new Middle East environment where Israel is safe from any regional Muslin power and holds regional military supremacy. On another level, the global bankers are using Israel and the neo-cons to bring about the End Game of their long quest to establish a New World Order with themselves as lords and masters of all those allowed to remain alive. At one level, the public is told that Iran "must be stopped from acquiring nuclear weapons" and that this is the reason for whatever action is necessary. Of course, we are not told ~ at least by the main stream news media ~ that even the American intelligence establishment (as well as United Nations inspectors) state clearly that the Iranian nuclear enrichment program is but several orders of magnitude below that necessary for a nuclear weapons program. The reality is that the nuclear enrichment issue is but a smokescreen for the on-going neo-con grand strategy. This same grand strategy gave us the 9/11 false flag attacks in America, the 7/7 false flag attack in England, and the Bali and Spanish false flag "terrorist" attacks and the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq. The next targets on the hit list of the neo-con grand strategy are Syria and Iran. This has been the plan for years and the neo-cons are staying on course. If the well-being of Israel is not the reason for the grand strategy at the highest level, we have to ask ourselves just what in the hell is the driving force. Sadly, the answer lies in the wording of the question just posed ~ Hell. At a certain level you simply cannot separate the military/economic/political/strategic from the spiritual. When you analyze the grand strategy being employed, you essentially have to come to the conclusion that it is either so damn crazy as to be a form of mass insanity by its backers or just plain evil. I think that it is the latter. The blockade is not being set up to "stop" the Iranians ~ there is in reality nothing to stop in terms of a nuclear weapons program and they already have a global strategic advanced biowar (ABW) program that is as good as a global strategic nuclear war program at a fraction of the cost. The blockade is being set up to cause a war. To cause a war with a nation that has a true MAD (mutually assured destruction) environment with the neo-con controlled nations. To cause a war that will eventually result in the use of weapons of mass destruction throughout the world. To cause World War III. The "strategic diversion", that is the war between Georgia and Russia, is being set up to drive Russia into the devil's brew of the coming war; you can bet that China will also be given good "reasons" to be totally-committed in the days and weeks ahead. There are certain global banking families who have made countless billions and even trillions over the last 200+ years organizing wars, economic depressions, revolutions, etc. to profit on everyone's misery. They have been very successful at this. But it is simply too late in human history to be doing this now. The level of mass murder/destruction from 21st Century warfare is beyond our ability to recover. So why continue. Again, we get back to the question is this just totally crazy or just plain evil. On the 5th of August, days before the attack on South Ossetia, in my article "The Good and the Bad and the Truly Ugly", I quoted an interesting prophecy from Nostradamus, Quatrain X.74 which reads "The year of the great seventh number accomplished, it will appear at the time of the games of slaughter, not far from the age of the great millennium, when the dead will come out of their graves." This could refer to the Seven Year Tribulation, which could well be the time from 9/11/01 to 9/11/08, at the time of the Olympic Games, not far from the age of the great millennium (the beginning of the Third Millennium in 2000/2001), and Armageddon (when many dead saints are suppose to "come out of their graves"). It is interesting that the dates of the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks and now the 8/8/8 attack all have occult meanings. I suspect that this is all simply unstoppable. However, being human we want to live not be killed in some insane Third World War. The trouble is, time is very short and most political leaders are totally corrupt, bought and paid for time and again by many of the same forces arranging the coming global war. Still, if you want to live, contact your political leaders and demand that they stop the coming war on Iran and the resulting global nightmare. It may be you only hope to stop the events that are unfolding before our very eyes. My most recent article, MASSIVE US NAVAL ARAMADA HEADS FOR IRAN, has become perhaps the largest "happening" in the history of the Internet. It has been posted on a truly massive number of web sites and blogs, emailed to hundreds of thousands, and seen by more people than any similar article in history. This was done not by the main stream lying media or by political hacks but by ordinary people concerned about their lives and the lives of their friends and loved ones in the days and weeks ahead. By all means people please continue this ~ post this on every site you can, email it to every person you can. Our time is short and our very lives depend on it. | ||
| Snowscum |
I thought that was an interesting article. |
