| Author | Message | ||
     Indy_bueller |
The "Armchair Engineering" that goes on around here just amazes me. They straight up said they tested the idea, then decided against it. Now, we could argue about just how necessary it is for the fuel rail on a Buell to be too cold/too hot in a parade situation. Parades and Buells do not necessarily go hand in had with each other in my book, but parades and Harley Davidsons do. Gee, guess who owns Buell? Guess who supplies the engines for the XB? You can argue about if that should be a valid criteria or not, but the fact is, it's obviously a criteria that they had to test. I've never heard of an XB blowing up or suffering any damage that can be related to the fact the bike did not have a RSS equal in size to the left side. The stock scoop and the fan apparently do a sufficient job. So it comes down to this: If you want a RSS, buy one. If you don't, don't. And if you are so certain you are a better engineer than anyone at Buell, put your money where your mouth is. Go here: http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content/Pages/C areer_Opportunities/career_opps.jsp?locale=en_US ......get a job in East Troy and prove it. Can't we find IMPORTANT things to insult each other about? I mean really. If you are going to be insulting, let it be about something important like world peace or oil prices. If someone from outside my place of business called me stupid for not doing something that I tested and decided against doing because it didn't meet criteria that was given to me by someone above me, I'd get •••••• too. I'd also tell you what you could do with your opinion, where, and for how long. Give it a rest on the RSS already. Holy crap. | ||
| M1combat |
Oh come on Anony  ... Go easy on Trojan... He's trying to sell Right Side Scoops...  That said ... I have a right side scoop... The bike seems to run cooler, but it also runs a tad funky after it sits hot for a little bit and then I start riding... For what that's worth . I didn't buy the RSS for ANY other reason than I HAD to make it look like the other side, consequences be damned  . I do believe there are negative side effects. | ||
| Teddagreek |
 It works I don't doubt it was tested... I'm just curious if it was ever retested? I've personally seen it solve issues like pinging in extreme heat, and the fan running excessively to point of wearing out.. I just can't buy it doesn't help... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Then what does it matter? I believe that Abe and crew are telling the truth that the scoop was tested and that there were adverse effects. If the Q-Ray bracelet cures your arthritis and shrinks hemorrhoids, what does it matter if it was tested and found to provide no use? | ||
| Retrittion |
How about we answer the initial poster's question -- new people buy Buells every day and so they are going to be asking questions that are new to them but old hat to us. If for some reason you can't handle this simple fact don't read or post on these threads -- or failing that leave Badweb and stop making us look like a bunch of jerks! So how about this for an answer: "The RSS (right side scoop) is an optional mod to replace the stock right side inlet that is smaller and shaped differently than the LSS. Some people change to the aftermarket RSS for ascetic reasons, to balance the look of the bike. Others consider the RSS an upgrade that reduces the amount the cooling fan runs and/or just a general upgrade that improves cooling when the bike is used for general riding and avoids "parade duty" style riding that is one of the cited reasons for the smaller right side inlet. Short answer, use the RSS at your own risk, nothing has been proven one way or the other by the riders BUT take into account that Buell did decide not to mount it and may have good reasons for doing so. Also, a RSS may void your warranty, make sure you are ok with that possibility, same as whenever you make any modifications to the bike." "Ride safe and have fun." See? You don't have to be a ••••, you can just answer the question with our best info to date and let the person make up their own mind. I swear, some days I feel like I am one of those snotty metric boards where you shouldn't ever ask questions because you should already know EVERYTHING about your bike before you ever bought it. Those snotty bastards are usually full of shit too. Oh, and leave off the Anonymous posters -- I am sure if someone is abusing that option they will get a talking too from the admins. Just appreciate that those who can't post publicly choose to post this way and give us some information. If you want to toss that info in the can and ignore it you don't need to do so with obnoxious fanfare to make you stupid little point about how superior you knowledge is. A.k.a., quit wankin about! mate! Cheers! Ret | ||
| Treadmarks |
Treadmarks, The slander started with Trojan calling us liars. Calling him a troll is not slander; it's a fact. And, no one is telling anyone what to run, all we did was explain why we did it the way we did. You own it, do whatever you want. And go ahead, call us stupid mindless liars. That's it, I am gone from here for good. We're not supposed to be here anyhow. Thats it? You pop back in here for a cameo appearance, you don't help answer the question, then you leave? You do kno this is no longer about just the RSS.....right? Is this the type of attention we deserve from the mother ship? Try to help ou out here.... Tell us why you're not behind the RSS idea. Tell us why uly rear wheel bearings fail. Tell us why all the headlights suck. If Annony has been reading our post about about these issues for over a year now, what has he to offer in forms of a solution. The fact that he has nothing to offer, but does have time to slam a board sponsor is quite upsetting. Our board sponsors have solutions that we pay for. I am I the only on that see this? hmmmm...how does it go again....oh yeah That's it, I am gone from here for good. We're not supposed to be here anyhow. (Message edited by treadmarks on August 05, 2008) | ||
| Treadmarks |
"The RSS (right side scoop) is an optional mod to replace the stock right side inlet that is smaller and shaped differently than the LSS. Some people change to the aftermarket RSS for ascetic reasons, to balance the look of the bike. Others consider the RSS an upgrade that reduces the amount the cooling fan runs and/or just a general upgrade that improves cooling when the bike is used for general riding and avoids "parade duty" style riding that is one of the cited reasons for the smaller right side inlet. Short answer, use the RSS at your own risk, nothing has been proven one way or the other by the riders BUT take into account that Buell did decide not to mount it and may have good reasons for doing so. Also, a RSS may void your warranty, make sure you are ok with that possibility, same as whenever you make any modifications to the bike." "Ride safe and have fun." Very well said Ehren.  | ||
| Smiley1eye |
Don't like cooling the rear cylinder and fuel rail? There IS another option:http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/327 77/357726.html?1209602988 Eliminate the rear cylinder! I'm actually TRYING to not help. hehe | ||
| Corporatemonkey |
}Good Lord, do we have to debate this again? Why would Buell NOT include a RSS from the factory if it was the single greatest item in keeping the fan from running? Why would they then LIE about its function? The same folks who will question the veracity of Abe and the Anonys here appear to be the same folks who believe that the WTC collapse was an inside job. If you want one on your bike, put it on. If you don't think you need it. Don't. If you are new to the board, learn to do a search. I will be so glad when the XB line slips over the edge of production so that we can concentrate on bitching about the giant scoops on the 1125 line. Perfect response. | ||
| Court |
It is a perfect response. The RSS does for your Buell what curb feelers do for a Chevrolet. . . may make you feel better, but not necessary and no effect on performance. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Try to help ou out here.... Tell us why you're not behind the RSS idea. Tell us why uly rear wheel bearings fail. Tell us why all the headlights suck. Congrats. You were finally able to back Anony into a corner so you could collectively bitch at him/her/them for everything that pisses you off about Buell, which is probably what this is REALLY all about. Feel better? | ||
| Bads1 |
Court, But I like curb feelers. I want Amber ones to match my wheel's. | ||
| Jaimec |
I seem to recall there is a LEGAL issue here. If the fuel rail doesn't atomize the fuel properly, the emissions won't meet EPA and Euro standards. So Buell HAS to sell them that way. If you live in a cooler climate and don't think you'll ever experience the "Vapor Lock" problem, then go right ahead... it's your bike. Me? I'm going to assume the Buell engineers are a hell of a lot smarter than me when it comes to designing a motorcycle, so I'm going to leave it alone. All of the changes I've done have been purely cosmetic. | ||
| Court |
Certainly childish dialog. Regardless of the merits of the various questions, it's been ask in the way a 2nd grader taunts another on the playground. I hope, although I have little faith, you'll understand why grownups may choose not to step into your sandbox and play. Court | ||
| Treadmarks |
Congrats. You were finally able to back Anony into a corner so you could collectively bitch at him/her/them for everything that pisses you off about Buell, which is probably what this is REALLY all about. Feel better? Now thats funny. I will feel better when answers are provided in a friendly respectful fashion, not to me..but to those asking. It was not my intent to back anyone into a corner and bitch at them. For the record, I'm not pissed at buell. Hell, I'm one of their biggest fans. I apologize if anyone (including Annony) was offended by my questions. I got an idea. Why don't we set aside a section of the forum that allows Buell to communicate freely with the customer base. Oh....wait....we already have that. All the vendors and sponsors are there, and they openly interface with customers. This ensures customer satisfaction and adds faith, trust and respect to the relationship. They don't hide behind some fake user ID (Annony). Maybe we hold our contributing sponsors to a higher standard than we do our manufacturer. If you asked American Sport Bike, or Trojan, or XB Lights a question about their product and they responded like annony did, what would you do? Would you still buy their product? I have had nothing but positive experiences from our vendors. They share their experiences and offer solutions, in a professional manner. This is not the first time we have had interface issues with annony. Seems like every conversation annony participates in turns out bad. This just happens to be my first. Help me understand why we hold the mothership to a different standard. Then I will feel better. | ||
| Treadmarks |
Certainly childish dialog. Regardless of the merits of the various questions, it's been ask in the way a 2nd grader taunts another on the playground. Sorry, I did not intend to taunt. I was merely breaking down the questions so they could be addressed separately, should annony desire. | ||
| Barnyard |
there better than us we just pay there pay check | ||
| Teeps |
Id073897 Posted on Monday, August 04, 2008 Does the RSS OVERCOOL the fuel rail or not? How would that be possible? Exactly... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Evidently, it is possible. What would be the motivation for Abe and crew to state something that they KNEW to be untrue? What else are they lying about? Maybe the ZTL system is worse that two rotors and they know it, but it allows them to use 30% less metal in the rotor casting. Maybe they use the ZTL just to reduce the amount of casting materials in the wheels. Gotta find every way possible to chince on the construction. Maybe they KNOW that the fuel pumps are substandard and will blow up and are just not telling us. Maybe they KNOW that all the swing arms have a fatal flaw and are likely to break but can't afford the recall to do anything about it. Let's not even talk about the belts, bearings, the Uly "weave", etc. Hell, I bet every other word out of their rotten little mouths is a lie. Not like BMW. | ||
| Xl1200r |
I think it has been stated multiple times in this thread alone that an aftermarket RSS will not cool the fuel rail enough. Overcooling is not a problem. | ||
| Barnyard |
Where can I find an RSS??? | ||
| Postban |
[posted by Barnyard: ] Where can I find an RSS??? Send an email here, they are expensive; r.crins@gmx.net | ||
| Id073897 |
Evidently, it is possible. Then, please, define "overcool". Cooler than what ...? Regards, Gunter | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Don't know. Don't really care. Evidently whatever the issue that was created by the RSS, it was enough of a problem that the design folks opted to leave it off. Again, what does it matter? | ||
| Doughnut |
See, this is why they they should have never created the XB line! We never had these RSS arguments with the Tubers! Move along. . . move along! Nothing to see here!  | ||
| Ekass13 |
Can’t we all agree to disagree??? I love the way the RSS looks but since I live in the city and there is a lot of stop and go I’ve decided to not get a RSS. Also wouldn’t Buell have added the RSS in the later years of the XB line if they thought it was an improvement? Eric has a very moded high heat-producing city cross, do I have to tell you…. OK no RSS. In fact non of his Buells have one and I truly believe that if it did benefit the bike he would put it on or as optional race equipment just like the ecm, oil pump gear, etc…. Oh and for the record I feel my 984 does a great job of cooling itself. | ||
| Teddagreek |
Its seems to vary a lot from bike to bike??? I have 2005 city-x as well and my fan hardly comes on while riding and I beat the snot out of it. I don't know why mine is different? running good syn, good plugs, wires and Odies heat shields?? My friends 2003 xb9 runs like crazy as so did my cousins uly before he got rid of it.. *Reading the manual I often wonder if the head temp sensor can vary the same way resisters or other electronics vary in tolerances. *Remember the scoop originally had two purposes... *2009 improved oil cooler two extra rows? | ||
| Blake |
There are some real arrogant jackasses here who have diminished the value of this forum for everyone on account of they cannot think before they speak. Some of the brash, insulting, and absolutist statements being cast out here amount to nothing less than calling good folks liars and therefore those statements are out of line. Respect is a two way street. Respectfullness, tact and humility go a long way sometimes. As to the topical issue, I for one can easily accept that too much airflow on the fuel rail in frigid weather could cause problems with the fuel and/or icing. You cannot? You've personally never heard of any such problems and so the case is closed, despite what the people who REALLY know may say? Bad form amigo. Very bad form. I can also see that changing the geometry of the right side airflow could reduce cooling of the same exact area in cases of little to no forward motion. The arrogance and armchair engineering expertise displayed here is truly unfortunate. I sure hope the highly valued anonymous contributors here can learn to consider the source of such unfortunate commentary and ignore it on account of all the folks here who appreciate their contributions. As to who any particular anony may or may not be or what may or may not be their affiliation, the curious/doubting types only need know one thing, that I personally vouch for the credibility and veracity of every valid anonymous posting on this forum. If that isn't good enough for you, then you are basically calling me a liar and in light of that, you have no business on BadWeB, a forum that I along with others of equal conviction have spent the past ten years tending for every Buell enthusiasts' benefit. Sincerely, Blake Rudy Custodian/Owner - BadWeatherBikers.com (Message edited by Blake on August 05, 2008) | ||
| Surveyor |
..... you freakin' troll. How dare you call us liars; where the hell are your credentials?! The slander started with Trojan calling us liars. Calling him a troll is not slander; it's a fact. You own it, do whatever you want. And go ahead, call us stupid mindless liars. Blake, Don't you think that Anony's statements, a sample of which are above, were more than a little brash, insulting and absolutist? I don't know Matt (Trojan) personally but I've always found his input constructive and helpful and all who know him speak highly - even if he is a Brit (LOL) I personally thought Anony's post was way OTT. | ||
| Id073897 |
As to the topical issue, I for one can easily accept that too much airflow on the fuel rail in frigid weather could cause problems with the fuel and/or icing. You cannot? You've personally never heard of any such problems and so the case is closed, despite what the people who REALLY know may say? Excuse me, but did I get that right? Icing because of using a RSS? Icing inside the fuel rail? Or icing at the injectors? Could you please explain that to me - if you want, in private. You know my email address. Regards, Gunter |
