| Author | Message | ||
     Stealthfighter |
thanx for your words, brad!  Madav8tr, i´m a troll?  what a nonsense... i´m afraid, you don´t understand nothing... | ||
| M1combat |
That Superduke weighs 441lbs with just fuel in the tank? It won't be getting any of my money if that's the case (not that it would have been anyhow). To me light weight and power are pretty well equally important, both coming in a second to handling. I don't mean flickability or really even "ease of use". I mean stability mixed with lean angle with a sprinkle of oversteer. | ||
| Madav8tr |
"one bad point of view washes away years of Buell loyalty and selling the brand to others." So it's OK if you are brand loyal, to a point, but we are foolish if we are? Hello pot, meet kettle. My point is, all either of you do is point out the negative aspects as you see them(PS some people LIKE the way the 1125 looks). If perhaps you owned one you may see things differently but as it stands now you don't own one. That makes it even more dubious as to what your intentions are on this section of the forum. You say that the rotax engine deserved it's own wrapper to match it's performance. Like I said, we get it, you don't like the way it looks. Do you honestly think that anybody cares? We get tired of seeing the same played out BS and it has nothing to do with 10,000 yes men rubber stamping anything. I check the forum looking for any info related to a bike I own and enjoy and if something negative comes up with merit, wonderful. If someone's opinion comes up and it's negative, that's fine too but it does become irritating the 10,000th time that same opinion surfaces from the same user. Stealth, I don't know if you're a troll or not. This does happen to be the 1125 enthusiast section of the forum and if someone comes here claiming that another bike is superior then that is typically considered "trolling". | ||
| Jpfive |
OK. I could go on a Ducati/KTM/Triumph dedicated forum, find a thread comparing their bike to mine in a derogatory light, and choose to take the opposite view....or, I could reason that since their forum is dedicated to their passion it might be better manners for me to refrain. Which decision is correct? I think that I would do better to come back here and hang out with my friends. I am not saying that I think it is wrong for a non-owner of the 1125 to respectfully point out why he has chosen not to buy this bike. But, when it gets to the point of actively denigrating the style, development strategy and quality to the point of trying to convince new owners that they have invested in a total piece of crap...well, that is bad manners, or at least ungracious. If this same person already owns a Buell, and is still passionate about _that_ bike, then a suggestion to frequent the appropriate forum is not out of line. My last non-Buell was a VFR. Shortly after I traded that bike for my Ss I went back to the site to share pics of the new ride - as others have done. I was not treated kindly - and I was not denigrating the VFR. I no longer visit the forum - it is, after all, a place for dedicated VFR owners. Probably the more appropriate place for an argument/discussion of this sort would be in the 'General' section of a non brand-specific site such as SportTouring.net Peace, Jack | ||
| Spectrum |
+1 Jack | ||
| Ccryder |
Brad: IMHO your views border on disrespect. Not disrespect for Buell. Not disrespect of the design. Disrespect of the other forum members and, owners of 1125r. "We" at least acknowledge your feelings about this design and understand (especially after 5 or 6 times, I have stopped counting) your feelings about the pods and, other aspects of the current design. So, at least have the courtesy to acknowledge our views and be constructive. Just my $0.02 for the morning. Time2Work | ||
| Brad1445 |
I apologize CC and others, that is not my intent. I guess a better choice of words' would have focused on open honest discussions in cases where people have real issues not just opinion issues like design. I just get frustrated because I really thought I was in touch with where Buell was I was dreaming of a world killer twin dead sexy, and I woke up and found out I was wrong. My Bad I still hope for an American Sport bike that commands respect on all levels in the world market. The 1125 series is the best yet, thats positive just as the handling and the smooth belt drive. No disrespect for the owners intended. I personally would have fired some design guys but I guess you already know that. I'm sure I will buy a few more bikes in the next 12 months and I was hoping to give some more to an American Manufacture. | ||
| Ccryder |
Brad: Thank you. Time2Work Neil S. | ||
| Blake |
"No disrespect for the owners intended." If that is true than you need a LOT of help with your wordcraft. For example: "Stealth, Many here think love with a bike should be monogamous. Thats is sad and foolish as no one bike does it all." Many? Please name three. I dare you to name three regular contributors to this forum that fit your insulting characterization. Apparently if/when folks don't agree with your views, then they are sad and foolish? Instead of posting bullshit vague insult, have the balls to name names. The exceptional mind seeks discussion of ideas. Let's all try to be exceptional. Here's a hint: If you don't own an 1125; if you don't like the 112% and if you've made your dim view of the bike very well known here; if you've nothing constructive to add to any 1125R/CR thread, then why are you hanging around the 1125 board? Trolls suck! Don't be a troll! Get out and live for real! Example" "I personally would have fired some design guys but I guess you already know that." What makes you think that anyone here cares??? Get some humility; lose the arrogance, or share with us all your amazing accomplishments that justify giving special respect to your personal views about motorcycle design? The inability to even post an apology without then rationalizing and taking a couple more pot shots at the 1125R speaks volumes. Madav8tr, Jpfive, and Ccryder all nailed it! | ||
| Blake |
Back on topic... Stealth, I like your chopped up version of the 1125CR; the chin fairing improves the look a lot too I think. If Buell could find a way to employ a full stainless steel muffler while chamfering the bottom-aft corner, ...  I'm wondering what if some serious high-power 3-D heat exchanger work/engineering might allow in the way of a trimmed down version more inline with what you've depicted. What I'm meaning to suggest is to try to tailor even more of the configuration/design of the actual heat exchangers--I'm loath to call them "radiators" as they really don't employ radiative heat transfer, but use convection almost entirely--towards the desired aesthetic envelope. For instance, a curved, even compound curved heat exchanger form, possibly employing higher performance copper tubing that is oriented in varying angles and at varying spacing for optimal effect? The variables are numerous, and cost is surely a major factor, but I'd be surprised if pushing the state of the art might not be something worth persuing. The bottom line is that the cooling systems, whatever configuration it might be, must be capable of removing a set amount of heat from the engine coolant and that requires ambient airflow and cooling fin area that is exposed to that airflow. How you get there and what ratios of each are up to the engineers. But hey, I still prefer air-cooled motorcycle engine, so what do I know. ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif)  | ||
| Brad1445 |
If you really like motorcycles than the same rules should apply for all manufactures. The hypocracy is hilarious. It's your site so your rules but you really like to see name calling on the opposing opinions? What would that help? It's ok to slam any and all other bike manufactures but the 1125 is off limits? Smacking the 1125 styling is not a pot shot, its a fact. Thats the reality distortion field destroying field that is killing American companies. It's a great bike but no one but some proud parents consider it a good looking thought out design. Buell would be better served by a sounding board of honest people that want to produce the best product vs people that just want to pat themselves on the back. The market will not wait. It's time for America to get serious or just abandon manufacturing and I'm the most pro buy american guy I know but we have to at least try. Even in our beloved Buell the engine is no longer produced here, can we at least get the rest of the bike right? Why is wanting to be better a bad thing? Your public spankings work as a deterrent as most people will not post honest opposing opinions for fear of reprisals. I have received emails from readers stating they have similar opinions but don't want to get burned. I never bash Buell handling, quality, performance, etc, but styling? Reality is not bad once you get used to it. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Smacking the 1125 styling is not a pot shot, its a fact. Ever heard beauty is in the eye of the beholder? There is no right or wrong regarding styling, it's a matter of opinion dude. Different strokes for different folks. Unfortunately, your opinion isn't any more important than any of ours. | ||
| Jpfive |
"Smacking the 1125 styling is not a pot shot, it's a fact." ????? Sheesh, Brad, have you ever thought that you might just be a little hard-headed about the value of your opinion? If your opinions constitute 'fact', then what does that mean for mine...? I genuinely like the styling of the 1125. I did the first time I saw the intro videos, and even more in the flesh. I voted on that 'opinion' by buying one. I like it even better after seeing the photos in this thread comparing it to the KTM. I guess my question to you is this: Why does my opinion seem to brand me a retard, and your opinion brand you a genius...? What am I missing here? Jack | ||
| Brad1445 |
I will try to use fewer words so I don't mangle them. That came off again wrong. Of course my opinion i s not the end. I'm glad thier are people that love the 1125. It was the dream bike I always wanted. The fact that I don;t care for the looks does not effect others enjoyment. I'm the same guy that put 23,000 miles in 12 month on one Buell. I love them that much. I have bought 5 new ones including an 08 Purchase of a bolt. I just want to see the US set the world on Fire with something. I just get to emotional about some things. GO USA. | ||
| Jpfive |
I look forward to standing you a round at the nearest pub, Brad. Let's just leave it here, Dood - we're kin... Jack | ||
| Brad1445 |
Thanks Jack, Tell then I will try to be more careful with my words. B | ||
| Blake |
"The hypocracy is hilarious." Your arrogance and relentless naysaying are VERY off-putting. Incessant bashing is beyond tiresome; it is now who you are on this forum and it certainly is in no way serving anyone for the better, not here and certainly not at Buell. At some point, people try to just tune out the noisy annoyance. Others like me put up with it for a while, but at some point it gets the better of us and we just want to have it end and so we reach for the flyswatter. "Smacking the 1125 styling is not a pot shot, its a fact." It's a fact that you don't like the styling; you've made your view crystal clear, over, and over, and over again. We ALL get it. You no like the 1125R or 1125CR. Your little personal mission here is complete. It is now time for you to •••• off! Instead it seems that you won't be fullfilled until you can convince everyone else to share your own dim opinion. How's that working out for you?  "no one but some proud parents consider it a good looking thought out design." Do you have any idea how arrogant and insulting that is? You ask that others respect your views? How's that working out for you Brad? "Buell would be better served by a sounding board of honest people..." You now see to imply that anyone who doesn't share your negative view is dishonest. You're a real peach. "...people that want to produce the best product" Again with the arrogance, now implying that the folks at Buell or the Buell enthusiasts here care not about producing a great product? Best? What the heck is that when it comes to a motorcycle? Best power? Best sport touring? Best racing platform? Best fuel efficiency? Best top speed? Best handling? Easiest to maintain? Most comfortable to ride? Coolest features? Lowest price, most bang for the buck? All the above? No one bike can do it all? Which is it? "...vs people that just want to pat themselves on the back. Again wiht the arrogance, implying that if we don't agree with your dim view, we are just sycophants or delusional? Who the !@#$% are you and what the #@$% have you EVER done that warrants giving special respect to your opinion of any motorcycle? Seriously! The arrogance is mind bending. Is your last name "Ferrari"? The funny thing is that folks like Enzo never ever see fit to broadcast the endless shitstream of naysaying like some here do. Negativity absent constructive thoughtful critique is pure and simple just crap, the worthless pablum of the weak mind. Take a cue from Stealth, offer something positive. Or just !@#$% off. In the face of relentless mindless naysaying I'd sure not begrudge ANYONE the right to point out the well-known longtime unresolved cluster ••••• of their competitors, especially when some seem to imagine the grass so infinitely greener in other pastures. God forbid anyone point out the reality and failings of the rest of the sporting motorcycle industry. For some, Buell must be the only target of naysaying. My opinion is that you should take leave of the 1125R Board. You have no good reason to be here. | ||
| Brad1445 |
Nice, I'm out. | ||
| Ponti1 |
"The hypocracy is hilarious." Your arrogance and relentless naysaying are VERY off-putting. Incessant bashing is beyond tiresome; it is now who you are on this forum and it certainly is in no way serving anyone for the better, not here and certainly not at Buell. At some point, people try to just tune out the noisy annoyance. Others like me put up with it for a while, but at some point it gets the better of us and we just want to have it end and so we reach for the flyswatter. "Smacking the 1125 styling is not a pot shot, its a fact." It's a fact that you don't like the styling; you've made your view crystal clear, over, and over, and over again. We ALL get it. You no like the 1125R or 1125CR. Your little personal mission here is complete. It is now time for you to •••• off! Instead it seems that you won't be fullfilled until you can convince everyone else to share your own dim opinion. How's that working out for you? "no one but some proud parents consider it a good looking thought out design." Do you have any idea how arrogant and insulting that is? You ask that others respect your views? How's that working out for you Brad? "Buell would be better served by a sounding board of honest people..." You now see to imply that anyone who doesn't share your negative view is dishonest. You're a real peach. "...people that want to produce the best product" Again with the arrogance, now implying that the folks at Buell or the Buell enthusiasts here care not about producing a great product? Best? What the heck is that when it comes to a motorcycle? Best power? Best sport touring? Best racing platform? Best fuel efficiency? Best top speed? Best handling? Easiest to maintain? Most comfortable to ride? Coolest features? Lowest price, most bang for the buck? All the above? No one bike can do it all? Which is it? "...vs people that just want to pat themselves on the back. Again wiht the arrogance, implying that if we don't agree with your dim view, we are just sycophants or delusional? Who the !@#$% are you and what the #@$% have you EVER done that warrants giving special respect to your opinion of any motorcycle? Seriously! The arrogance is mind bending. Is your last name "Ferrari"? The funny thing is that folks like Enzo never ever see fit to broadcast the endless shitstream of naysaying like some here do. Negativity absent constructive thoughtful critique is pure and simple just crap, the worthless pablum of the weak mind. Take a cue from Stealth, offer something positive. Or just !@#$% off. In the face of relentless mindless naysaying I'd sure not begrudge ANYONE the right to point out the well-known longtime unresolved cluster ••••• of their competitors, especially when some seem to imagine the grass so infinitely greener in other pastures. God forbid anyone point out the reality and failings of the rest of the sporting motorcycle industry. For some, Buell must be the only target of naysaying. My opinion is that you should take leave of the 1125R Board. You have no good reason to be here. Blake, you are an artist. The web you weave is that which only a Master can perform.  While I think it sad we have to arrive at a sort of "intervention", I share in the opinion that there have been far too many senseless bashings of the bike that is subject of this area of BadWeb. I'm certainly not the member here with the most time logged on a Buell, or the most posts on the site, However, I am a strong enthusiast of the brand, and it's fairly annoying to be able to predict the content of a post just by reading the poster's handle. I miss Rocket... | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Nice, I'm out. Wait. We've heard this once before. | ||
| Thespive |
And more than once... --Sean | ||
| Cringblast |
Waited a year for the 09. Hope to add the 1125CR to the XB12R in the stable. Both BLACK/RED of course !!!!! BUELL !!! C. | ||
| Imonabuss |
Thank you, Blake, at least for a few clean breaths of fresh air. However, I'm sure Brad will be back tomorrow with the size of his ego! | ||
| Thespive |
So, back on topic... One thing I haven't seen much discussion of is the Quiet Zone on the 1125R. I am curious what the real world experiences are coming from an XB (particularly an S). I have never owned a bike with a fairing, I like it naked for the most part.  This is why the CR is so appealing to me... --Sean | ||
| Surveyor |
I've taken the liberty of quoting part of my post from another thread below. I think the opinion I expressed is broadly the same as that of Brad1445. I'm not sure why such offence was taken at his opinion - maybe there is a history I don't know about? What worries me is that the response to criticism of the 1125r seems to be to 'circle the wagons' and this is not helpful to Buell. The fact that many posters have been less than complimentary about the 1125r's aesthetics is in itself indicative that all is not well with the bike's appearance. I am quite sure the Eric, far from being offended, is appreciative of the feedback which will be used to develop the design so that later versions of the bike will feature aesthetics which match the engineering. I'm not sure that flaming someone who expresses a negative opinion about a Buell product is constructive. I've been looking forward to the 1125r for 18months now and I was not disappointed with the bike other than with its shocking aesthetics. The bike was beautiful to ride but all the reports of technical problems are really unnerving. I'm definately going to wait for the Mk.2 version now. A couple of points of clarification; Beauty is not in the eye of the beholder - beauty exists whether you can appreciate it or not - just because you think a 916r is ugly doesn't make the most beautiful bike ever made ugly. I'm afraid ugliness also exists and the 1125r is it. I'm really looking forward to the next version of the 1125 which hopefully will be love-at-first sight just like it was with my Firebolt. In the meantime I'll satisfy myself with owning the corners if not the straights. | ||
| Madav8tr |
"Beauty is not in the eye of the beholder - beauty exists whether you can appreciate it or not - just because you think a 916r is ugly doesn't make the most beautiful bike ever made ugly" Apparently you are a bit out of touch with the "beholder" portion of the phrase. Just because you think the 916 is the most beautiful bike ever made doesn't mean it is. 916 is nice, I had a 996, but for you to say that it is more beautiful than a NR750 or whatever other motorcycle that may float someone else's boat is ignorant on your part. You have your opinion and that's great but don't take the approach that your opinion and your opinion alone is the only one that's valid. To some guys beauty doesn't begin and end with the bodywork. | ||
| Surveyor |
The statement " beauty is in the eye of the beholder" is not only a false axiom but is a very arrogant statement. It claims that if the beholder perceives something as beautiful, then it is beautiful. This is clearly not true - I offer at least two of my pals wives as conclusive evidence. Beauty exists whether you can perceive it or not. Certain things conform to society's requirements for beauty and are widely accepted as beautiful. The Grand Canyon, The Mona Lisa, Michelle Pfeiffer (IMO!) etc. What the statement intends to say is that "some people will find some things beautiful and others will not" However when there is general societal agreement that something is beautiful (Michelle Pfeiffer again!) then that person or thing is generally accepted as beautiful despite what you or I might think. In the case of the 1125r I think it is fair to say that there is not general agreement as to its beauty (or its ugliness) even within this, not entirely objective, community. In view of the lack of anything approaching a consensus it is surely at least as valid to point up the 1125r's ugliness as it is to praise it's beauty. Clearly it has some way to go in the beauty stakes. Here endeth the lesson. | ||
| Spectrum |
Maybe there is a history I don't know about? History yes and there you have it! It's one thing to have an opinion and share it. It's another to repeatedly pound other people over the head with your opinion. More importantly to the point of not recognizing there are other people who have valid opinions to. Moving on. Sean the quit zone is exactly what they state. I posted several months back about riding in the rain and not getting wet. Tops of my shoulders and helmet were the only thing the rain touched. | ||
| Court |
>>>>"Buell would be better served by a sounding board of honest people..." I have not been following this thread. Did someone really say that? Tough to believe that someone, in the day of the Internet, is so intellectually isolated. But if they did in fact say it they will be pleased to know that Buell has broken new ground and gone where no other manufacturer of cars, bikes, lawn tractors or microwaves has gone in terms of availing themselves to the critical input of a wide variety of end users during the development process. I recall the days that Buell used to give me a bike months before it came out and each and every day I'd complete a detailed report of my riding observations. There are some things that simply can't be duplicated in testing and require the inclusion of a total idiot (I was that idiot) to simulate the real world. The process that Buell followed on the 1125R, regardless of personal vie points and legit room for improvement, was gifted and an industry first. You will see more of this. Court | ||
| Madav8tr |
"The statement " beauty is in the eye of the beholder" is not only a false axiom but is a very arrogant statement. " Nothing false or arrogant at all about that. I am glad that you feel that your perception of things that are considered beautiful falls in line with certain others. Not everyone agrees. "The Eye of the beholder" portion of the phrase is nothing more than an ornate way of saying "my opinion" and as I said before Beauty is different things to different people. "In the case of the 1125r I think it is fair to say that there is not general agreement as to its beauty (or its ugliness) even within this, not entirely objective, community. " Apprently there is a consensus as to it's "ugliness" since you posted "I'm afraid ugliness also exists and the 1125r is it. ". You can't have it both ways. You can't use subjective terms to express your particular opinion and chastise others for doing the same. You think the 1125 is ugly, don't buy one, but don't disrespect those of us that like the way the 1125 looks simply because we don't agree with you. |
