| Author | Message | ||
     Bcrawf68 |
Recently, I changed the oil in my 11 (still haven't named 'it'). after draining as much oil as I could out of it, I added 3qts of oil. After breaking in the oil (hehe), the dipstick showed less than half full. also, the engine sounded thrashy and the oil level light took about one whole second to go off after starting it. I added another half quart of oil. Now, the dipstick reads nearly full and the bike runs smoother, cooler and feels a little faster. When you change your oil, does you bike take more than three quarts of oil? | ||
| Xb9 |
2qts. plus 28 oz. with filter change and leaning the bike over each side to get as much oil out as you can. Make sure when you are checking the oil to follow the revised oil check procedure (including time intervals) exactly like it says, word for word, otherwise you will get false readings. Right now you should be way over full. | ||
| Crowley |
Run the bike for 3 or 4 miles, come back and go through the oil level check procedures according to the book. Having the bike level is critical. I suspect you may have added a little too much - however, this is just an opinion and may well be wrong. | ||
| Nxtr |
I know it is probably a stupid to ask but did you follow the procedure to the (T) as outlined here? (see link) failure will result in false readings, keeping it straight and level is the key... http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/325984.html V/R, Nick (Message edited by nxtr on July 21, 2008) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I put in 3 quarts exactly with filter change even after the revised oil capacity was published. It seems to hit the dipstick in the right place...although getting a meaningful reading can be a chore at times. I like the cold check personally--last time the cold oil hit the "minimum" mark on the stick. 2qts. plus 28 oz. with filter change this is not correct. | ||
| Chevycummins |
3qts. for mine with cold check. Seems to take a long time for the oil to drain back down out of the engine making it look low if checked too soon after shut off. | ||
| Jpfive |
Well, the newest cold check procedure - also in the Service Manual - says to wait four hours. Check with bike upright, and the reading should be the same on the stick as for the hot check. Makes you wonder why we bother with the hot check, eh..? Jack | ||
| Fresnobuell |
2qts + 28 oz IS (2.7qts) =2.875 qts...but that is beside the fact....I would rather have a few ounces too much oil in the engine than too few (esp. with all the questions that swirled around the oil checking procedure early on.) | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Mine is also correct with 2 qts. and 28 ozs. draining it on the side stand and with filter change. It comes just to the bottom of the dipstick when cold and upright for a quick pre run check. When hot it is just in the middle of the dipstick. I DO NOT want any extra oil migrating into the intake tract to carbon up valves if thats even possible. Some horror stories there. | ||
| Xb9 |
"getting a meaningful reading can be a chore at times." That is a correct statement. | ||
| Palerider |
When my bike was new I noticed a lot of engine clatter. I also noticed on one occasion oil dripping from a rubber hose on the front right. Shame on me for not checking the oil level from the dealer. When the new oil check procedure came out I checked the level only to find out it was almost 1 qt. over full. It was up and partly over the overfull line. After draining the oil I noticed the engine did not seem to make as much racket. Evidently someone mistook overfull for full. With Max.& Min. marks why have an overfull mark? Just creates room for errors.I always use the cold check when starting out on a ride. I thought it strange to have to ride a bike that may be low on oil to find out it's low on oil(original check method). Since, it's been right at the Max. mark every time and like I said no oil drips since and less noise. I usually use a Condor stand when changing oil, it works well and saves some mess. | ||
| White79bu |
If you change the oil and filter and put 3 quarts in it. You would think that you wouldn't have to check it. It has been drained of the old oil and you put the correct amount back in it. I know with pretty much everything I own, I rarely check the oil when I am done. I know what it takes and how much to put in so it's right no matter what. Maybe that's just a bad habit I have gotten myself into. But I have never had a problem yet. I am getting ready to do my first oil change for the 1125r in the next couple days. I hope it's not to bad. I'll let you know. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
White79bu, I believe if you will take the time to measure accurately the amount of oil that is drained with the filter you will find it is closer to 2 qts. and 28 ozs. If you were to continue to add 3 full qts. it will not be long before you will be over filled with the already indicated consequenses. Just food for thought. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
already indicated consequenses. Or dreamt consequences... | ||
| White79bu |
How do you guys measure the 2.7 quarts? I know to put 2 quarts in but how do you guys measure out the .7? My old Suzuki was the same way, it required 2.6 or 2.8 quarts but I always put 3 quarts in and it ran good. Never had a problem. Any help would be great. I want to get the oil level correct because I am going to a track day on Monday. (Message edited by white79bu on July 22, 2008) | ||
| Dtx |
32 oz per quart 32 x .7 = 22.4 oz Therefore, correct capacity is 2 quarts plus 22.4 oz's. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I think that we have to remember that we don't have to hit the mark to the exact ounce. There is a range...if you believe the graduated marks on the dipstick, then from min to max, there is a 17 ounce range. For the sake of argument, IF 2 qts. 22 oz. (2.7 quarts) will hit the dipstick dead center in the graduated marks, THEN you have an acceptable range from 2 qts. 14 oz (2.4 qts) to 2 qts 31 oz. (3.0 qts). I think my math is right--feel free to double check and correct me. | ||
| White79bu |
Ok, I did my first oil change tonight. I am very glad I switched brands and bought the Buell. But this oil change process is pure BS. I put in 2qts and 26 oz of oil. I took it for a few mile test ride after letting it idle for a few minutes to warm up. Got back from the ride went through the Hot Check process and it showed it was low. So I went on another ride this time about 5 miles came back and went through the process again. This time it showed the oil level was perfect until I checked it a second time and it showed to much. Pretty much everytime I checked it it was either perfect or too much. Buell needs to come up with something a little simpler. I am almost to the point of just putting in 3qts and forgetting about it. I am going to let it set over night and see what the cold check says. Any tips would be great. | ||
| Smoke |
put in 3 qts and forget about it. ride 3000 miles and repeat. tim | ||
| Fresnobuell |
White, I do nothing but the cold check. That hot check is way too complicated and results vary wildly. As far as the cold check, the proper range is from the very bottom of the stick to the "min" mark. Ie, if your stick is dry, you are low and if you are over the "min" mark, you are high. This is based on personal experience and what other people have shared here. | ||
| Jpfive |
The cold check in the new service manual calls for readings on the stick identical for the hot check, i.e. between the min and max lines. Cold check requirement is minimum of four hours since shut down. Jack | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Does anyone believe that the hot and cold check produces the same oil readings? That is, if anyone can get a hot check reading period. Last time I tried the hot check...the damn thing didn't even register on the stick. That's when I said to hell with the hot check forever. | ||
| Palerider |
Says right in the Buell manual ,Do Not let the oil level fall below the min. mark. I always believed you fill any vehicle to the max.mark and when it gets down to the min. mark you add said amount to bring it up to max. or at least within the working range. I just did the oil last night.I have to agree with Bob. I put in 2.7qt. and it just touched the bottom of the stick,as Fresnobuell said. So I added to bring it to the max.mark, approx 2qt 26oz. As I mentioned above in an earlier post, from the dealer, they were just shy of 1qt. over the Max. mark. I use the cold check only. Whatever happened to; Fill it,Run it(as in start and let it idle for a couple minutes) to check for leaks,Let it sit while you clean up and have a cold one and then top off if needed. Buell's methods are indeed contrived, and maybe the dipstick needs to be remarked to meet their oil level recommendations. | ||
| Jpfive |
Well, since Buell sourced the motor, you would have to say that it is Buell's methods that are contrived. It would be more accurate to lay it at Rotax's feet, though. As I remember, the oil check procedure for the Rotax in my Aprilia was pretty contrived also. Characteristic of the breed for some reason... Jack | ||
| Palerider |
You're right Jack, although as I understood it they built it per Buell's specs. Whatever happened to a simple sight glass? If the oil procedure is contrived, you should see what I have to go through to find a level spot in my driveway. Brian | ||
| White79bu |
I did the cold check this morning. I let the bike set upright for a few minutes. When I first checked it it showed a little over full. But when I checked it the second time it was dead on full. I used 2qts and 26oz. So I am just going to leave it at that. But I wish I could just put in 3qts and be done and not have to second guess myself. | ||
| Smoke |
i'm 7000 miles on this engine and about to do the 3 and filter again. oh yeah, my oil check method between changes is to look for oil on the ground where i park. real easy. later, tim | ||
| Jpfive |
My Aprilia had the sight glass, but the tank was external to the case. Once I had satisfied myself that the oil level was correct, I just noted where it was when riding and when sitting cold and then stopped obsessing about it... Yep, we need a sight glass.. Jack | ||
| Rsh |
On the Buell web site the oil capacity listed in the spec's is different between the 2008 1125R(3 qts.) and 2009 1125R/CR(2.7 qts.) with an added note (9) oil capacity at oil change with filter. The 3 qts. listed for the 2008 is if the engine oil is completely empty/dry and thats what the updated oil procedure says. So as previously posted it should be 2 qts. + 22.4 ounces. (Message edited by rsh on July 26, 2008) | ||
| Palerider |
I'm not debating that 2.7 qts.= 2qt.22.4 oz. I think if we're supposed to use the dipstick to measure the amount, when we put in the correct amount it should register as such. I ran the bike for maybe 3 minutes to circulate the oil, shut it down and let it sit. Several hours later,while holding it as level as possible, it just touched the bottom of the dipstick. Not the min. mark, the very bottom. After I added enough to bring it to the max mark I had(and I correct my earlier post) put in 2qt. 28oz. If 2q 22.4oz is truly the right amount it should register as max. on the stick. Maybe the stick needs to be re-marked and why is there an overfull line? Three quarts,filter, and go would be a lot simpler. |
