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Cowboy
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 06:11 pm: | 
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We are talking to a NEW rider only miles will teach him how to feather the break safely. In my openion the rear brake will get you a lowside---front break will get you a high side whitch do you like best. |
Thumper74
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 06:35 pm: |
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You can manage a highside with the rear brake, especially if he can't keep the bike going straight. If he locks the rear his initial reaction would be to let go. If he's not pointed forward and the tire regains traction and that clutch isn't pulled in. It's not going to be fun. If he manages a hand full of front brake and lets go? His jewels may hurt and he may be taking a look at the rear tire, but he won't high side.
With the short wheel base of his bike, he should focus on proper braking and panic stops in a controlled environment and even try it in a wet parking lot so he gets familiar with how he and the bike both react in a panic situation.
Maybe we're talking two different riding styles, but developing the finesse needed to safely use the rear brake takes more time than it does to use the front brake.
My way works extremely well for my riding. If your way works well, that's great too.
Maybe some local Buellers to this guy could get together with this guy and run some drills?
(Message edited by Thumper74 on July 01, 2008) |
Tramp
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 06:53 pm: |
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You're confusing begi=nner training technique with your/my own riding technique.
huge difference.
My dad uased to make my brother and I run the tarck with only a rear brake fro 12 laps, then only a front (he'd disconnect them) then no brakes at all.
This was excellent training, and I'd recommend it for any rider who wants to improve her/his skills tremendously..either way, running some drills, as we both suggest, can only help |
Jramsey
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 07:36 pm: |
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Tramp you must be a little younger than I previously thought.
My older brother started flat tracking in '67 and myself in '69, about the time the AMA lifted the ban on brakes for dirt trackers.
We didn't run anything other than a compression release on the 2 strokes until about '72, then we got smarter like everyone else......still don't have much use for a rear brake unless its handle bar mounted. |
Danger_dave
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 07:49 pm: |
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A 900 is a lot of bike for a noob.
I'd suggest some saddle time on something like a 250 trail bike - just for a little while. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 07:57 pm: |
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Jramsey- We started at roughly the same time, my brother earlier, me, competitively, in '72.
The exercises that my dad outlined were for general riding, as we both competed in Hare Scrambles and Tourist trophy, in addition ot Flat track.
My brother rode Observed Trials, while I opted for MX. Flat track was our mainstay, with a half-a-season of Speedway mixed in, but Speedway wasn't for either of us.
PS- I'm 46.
danger_dave- great point re: 900.
I have always suggested folks begin with trail/enduro scoots, first, esp. for learning throttle steer the easy way, in mud. |
Josh_
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2008 - 10:00 pm: |
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You can't lock the rear brake unless you pull in the clutch. |
Azxb9r
| | Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 05:48 pm: |
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With the short wheel base of his bike, he should focus on proper braking and panic stops in a controlled environment and even try it in a wet parking lot so he gets familiar with how he and the bike both react in a panic situation.
Very good advice. In a panic situation you don't think, you react. Your body will do what it is trained to do. Practicing braking in a controlled area allows you to see how the bike responds to different inputs at a time when your arse is not on the line. If you do need to stop in a hurry, you will automatically do what you practiced.
In the MSF class I took, one of the drills we did was stopping mid-turn. After my first stop from a conservative speed, the instructor came over to me and told me to pick the pace up the next time around...he said that he wanted me just outside of my comfort zone. At the time I hated that excercise because it scared the crap out of me. In hindsight, it was one of the most useful parts of the class as I have had to use it a couple of times coming around blind turns, only to find a car stopped in the middle of the road.
I prefer to roll off the throttle, and leave the clutch out during initial brake application for the reason that josh mentioned.
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Thumper74
| | Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 07:03 pm: |
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Standing on the rear brake, such as in a panic, could lock it up. Especially since once you start braking, your weight is biased to the front unweighting the rear tire and lessening it's available traction. |
Cowboy
| | Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 07:26 pm: |
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Just remember when the front wheel stops roll N, You stop control N |
Skinstains
| | Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 07:56 pm: |
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Not trying to be morbid, but, I made my son check it out. I also suggested it to some of my friends that don't wear gear. Take a look at "ride2die.com". and take a class or two. |
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