| Author | Message | ||
     Jknox91 |
it had 108 miles on it when we started and 123 when it ended. the salesman was super cool, took a bunch of windy roads and really opened it up in the straights! he'd never ridden a buell and had a lightning. he accidentaly popped a wheely off the line once, it was hilarious! She was a sweet machine, handling was crisp, I liked the clutch feel! I'm 6'3 and the position was comfy. I could slide back on the seat and tuck, or slide up on it and sit tall and comfy. power builds great over 5k but I was a little surprised at how little there was down low. expected a lot more with all that torque, like neck jerking power wheelies. little dissapointed...  cruising under 3k the damn thing sounded like a bag of bricks in the lower end of the motor??? is that shit normal? does it go away after break in? That was my only real beef. I heard that after about 1000 miles you've got to get on the bike and that's when the power of the bike really bleeds through. I sure hope so because i've ridden many bikes, the seating position is far superior and the handling was nice. But the power really didn't impress me all that much. my buddies got and 07 r1, un comfy and handling was sketchy for me, but man that thing jumped like a jackrabbit even at low rpm and was smooth as a glass table. I know it's a 4 so the power will build faster and smother but i didn't expect the 1125r to be as rough as it was at low rpm. There was another thread where a guy said he smoked an r1 but i'm not so sure, maybe the guy on the r1 sucked at riding... lots a guys with crotch rockets do, they look the part...  , yet i could lose them on my sporty... All in all I adore the bike, but unless the low rpm issues go away and the sucker opens up and snaps my neck upon throttle crackage ,I might actually sway to something else. Hate to say it, but... i'm used to a two stroke race dirt bike so i'm needy!  | ||
| Brad1445 |
Your not alone on that low end power assessment. Thats the biggest reason I'm hooked on twins, is the low down grunt. Maybe an aftermarket chip can address this and its only this way for emission purposes? | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Who cruises under 3K RPM? You expect the motor to pull like a freight train at that RPM? You are smoking something. Show me any bike that revs to 5 digits and pulls extremely hard at 3K. Here's a hint. When you get to 4K, downshift--then you won't have to worry about the grunt that is so missing with the 1125r. | ||
| Ponti1 |
That's pretty much my assessment. The 1125R doesn't like to spend time below 3,000 RPM, in the same manner that the XB doesn't like that glorious area from 7,500-10,500 RPM. Giving up a thousand to gain three thousand doesn't sound like a bad investment to me... | ||
| Jpfive |
Jknox, my Lightning pulled strongly from 3k, and would cruise OK below that. My 11 pulls strongly from 4k, and cruises OK below that - but 3K...?...c'mon, the bike has no business there except when pulling off. Check out the dyno charts in my thread - 'deals gap and dyno run'. Especially the one that shows the bike overlaid with my Lightning. My 11 had 4000 miles when the dyno was run. It doesn't give up much to the Lightning at low rpms actually, but from 6500 up - well the XB has signed off. The same overlay, shows the curves against my '05 VFR, a very smooth Japanese V4 with a similar rpm range to the 1125. I can cruise smoothly with the 11 at any rpm above 3.5k - and just as well as I could with the viffer. Like any bike, things improve with miles on the engine. My experience with Rotax engines (this is my second) shows that they are noisy mechanically, smooth out significantly as they run in, and are as rugged as they are powerful. Jack | ||
| Socoken |
As a general rule, most bikes are geared to be happy at 60 mph or so in top gear, which on this bike is somewhere a little under 4k. That rule holds true for most any bike. Why do some insist on lugging a bike way below its intended rpm range, and complaining of herky jerky ness, or a rattle???????? Ride the bike where the engine is happy, and if you cant figure out where that is, you dont deserve to be on one!!!!!!!! | ||
| Jpfive |
Can I hear an 'Amen'...? | ||
| Brad1445 |
Fresnobuell Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 01:29 am: You are smoking something. Show me any bike that revs to 5 digits and pulls extremely hard at 3K. My 2008 Busa. Since some people that want their bike to run smoothly at all RPM's get bashed when they bring it up maybe Dealer's should just move the idle up to 4,000rpm no one should be below that anyway? Reminder, it was sold as a street bike. That would include taking off from red lights and stop signs. | ||
| Bearly |
Amen Jp | ||
| Zac4mac |
Loretta ran smooth from 2k up prior to the reflash, except for a week at sea level when she wouldn't adjust. Yes, she runs smooth from 4k up but I DO ride thru town every now and then. I'd like to be in 4th or 5th, not 2nd or 3rd. I normally go to 6th for 60 mph+. I just want back what I had... Z | ||
| Thurstonbuell |
Zac, Same here , mine was smooth , very smooth "prior to the flash" ,I know when I'm lugging the motor, I also know what i had pre-flash , I wouldn't be saying anything if thats how she always ran , I probably wouldn't have purchased a bike that ran as poorly as she does post-flash , My local servicing dealer test rode her this past Sat , They agree somethings wrong , I dont always need to run at 4-5000 in first gear just trying to get thru town during rush hour !!! | ||
| Jknox91 |
I don't normally ride at low rpm, just making an observation about how piss ass poor it ran and sounded under 3k. When you first ride a bike you try everything to find out what makes it tick. And under 3k jumping and the sound of bricks in my engine? from my experience that's wierd ass shit... But i'm just a youngin...  Don't get me wrong, I love the bike and the power is super smooth higher up, as it should be. delivery is great. Maybe it's just the nature of a v twin? Too me it seems like the timing's too retarted at low rpm and it's actually backtourqing the engine too much? possibly? causing nasty noises and rattles at low rpm. Shit, but what do I know? I'm not a veteran racer, just a young garage builder still tinkering with the carbs on my sporty! Just have to be patient and wait for programmers I guess, se what thatl do? It was a very new model with the latest flash, which from what i've heard could be part of the issue? But seriously does this bucket of bolts under 3k not seem normal to any of you??? or are you just really not worried about it? I've just never heard anything run quite like that before so I have to be suspicious? (Message edited by jknox91 on May 28, 2008) | ||
| Mingo |
Maybe Buell needs to hire new "techs",in the age of computers,how can they be having so much trouble and taking so long sorting this out? | ||
| Socoken |
Brad, Your Busa fired twice as many times per 3000 rpm, so of course it ran smoother than a large bore/ short stroke 72 degree twin. This engine has too short of stroke, and too little flywheel inertia to be lugged at low rpms. Those design limitations should be looked at much like the redline of the rpm range. The design constricts where the bike runs happy, and a true motorcyclist understands and acknowledges what the bike has to offer. You wouldnt rev a twin cam out to 10500rpm, would you? On a another note, the bike has six choices that allow the rider to be in a happy rev range, why would anyone want to ride outside of that? I tried riding mine at 2500rpm, and it takes a conscious effort to do that, and not downshift and be happy. I just dont get it????? | ||
| Thurstonbuell |
Whats not to understand that our bikes ran smoothly with our riding styles prior to the flash , and not post , nothing has changed except the way our bikes run , same style , same rev's ! I guess I just need to run around town at 5000rpm's in first gear all the time , and everytime traffic is cruising at 25mph , pull in the clutch and coast , then rev her back up till I hit 5grand and shut her down again. Again......We are comparing to a base line , a baseline we established prior to the flash ! If your not experiencing the problem......what are you comparing it to ??? (Message edited by Thurstonbuell on May 28, 2008) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Like what was been stated already, if you can't find a happy spot in the approximately 7,000 RPM-wide power band, maybe you shouldn't be riding a bike? Mine is pretty calm between 2,500 and 3,500 RPM, very minor surging but nothing that makes it unridable. My bet is that you put more stress on the motor at very low RPMs than up in the upper rev range. These motors are built to be run. | ||
| Thurstonbuell |
And mine runs like its on its last drop of fuel in first gear at 3500..... Must be me, I'm outta here | ||
| Fresnobuell |
thurston, there is definitely something wrong with your 11. No doubt about that. I don't think anyone is blaming you. I undertand your frustration. It's not the operator, its your bike. | ||
| Brad1445 |
No one is more 1125 loyal than Zac. He said it well. He only wants what he once had. Sounds simple. I'm confounded how people here belittle loyal owners who report issues or questions. Writing things off to bikes personality, inherit design traits or owner errors. It's in everyones interest that future Rotax powered Buells be the best they can be. Stop shooting the messengers and use the energy to finding solutions through open honest discussions. I want one of these bikes bad. Lets move forward. We all want to own American Sport-bikes, don't let emotion guide you. The only mistakes in life are the ones that are not identifies and corrected. I have owned more twins then any other style bike and low end power is a more common trait than low end stumble. | ||
| Bigdog_tim |
I have the same frustration. Sometimes, you can only go 20 MPH. And it stumbles badly at that RPM. To keep it from stumbling, I would have to go in excess of 30 MPH - and there are some places I have to go that will for sure get a ticket. I seriously don't believe it should be necessary to feather the clutch on a street bike going speeds from 20-25 MPH to avoid engine stumble. | ||
| Hwyranger |
I haven't had any problems with stumbling or rough running at any rpm range before or after flash. In fact, I thought my bike was just about perfect prior to the flash, after the flash, I found I was wrong. The bike runs even smoother and gives me better mileage with same riding style now. Perhaps it is riding style, perhaps it is the difference from one bike to another. Point being, BMC should be getting a lot of feedback from riders, both good and bad they can use to improve their future product (if that is possible) I thought my XB12R was the perfect bike, now I can't ever go back to the once beloved firebolt. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Can't they un-flash the the bike? At this point, I am very glad that I waited on the re-flash. I am NOT trying to rub anyones nose in it. There are still questions that hang over the 1125 like a dark cloud. Again, WHY are some people reporting a new improvement after the re-flash and some saying the re-flash was the worst thing ever? Yeah, yeah I know some will say "variables," but at some point Buell needs to figure out the variables and take care of those that are taking care of the Company. | ||
| Spectrum |
I had several complaints prior to the reflash. Post reflash mine is also just about perfect. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I would do it, if the dealer could go back to the old programming if necessary. Improved MPG would be one reason. I would still like to know the exact change in fan operation as the summers here in Central Cali are H-O-T. | ||
| Hwyranger |
Fresno, I don't know the specifics about the fan operation (I don't normally look at temps when fan goes on or turns off) but I have noticed the bike handled 110 degree heat riding in the canyons with coolant temp 200-205, bike running great. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
One thing I noticed about the fans after the reflash is that mine still come on around 175-180 degrees but by the sound only one until a higher temp. is reached, then both are used. Also when shutting down using the kill switch both fans will run until I shut the key switch off and then one for about a minute. On the flash; as Hwyranger said I also had no problems before or after the flash, only some better running especially down low after. Are you guys with troubles trying to work with your dealer and BMC to get something corrected? I know patience is hard at this time of the year. Bob | ||
| Jknox91 |
well at least real people with issues are talking, now and i don't feel so crazy! Sounds like it's a real hit or miss thing on how people's bikes are doing, some have no issues that got better post flash, and other that had issues that just got worse? What's everyones prod dates, we might be able to narrow the field of problem bikes to a prod date where they did something different to cause such drastic differences from one bike to another? | ||
| Fresnobuell |
What's everyones prod dates, we might be able to narrow the field of problem bikes to a prod date where they did something different to cause such drastic differences from one bike to another? We tried that regarding the electical gremlins and there didn't seem to be a correlation btw prod. dates and electrical issues.} | ||
| Socoken |
To clear up any confusion, and to act as some sort of apology, my posts were intended for those who ride UNDER 3000rpm, not 3000 and up. If anyone has a bike that doesnt run smoothly from 3k up, then I can understand the frustration. | ||
| Trw |
Mine runs great now that I have the ECM update. Maybe the flash didn't take properly on some of your's. Drop a bit here or there. It is a computer. Have them re-flash it again if your having issue's. It couldn't hurt. Just a thought. My bike now run's much smoother 2500rpm and up, its all good. I'm Lovin It! |
