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Alans
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 01:48 am: | 
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Anonymous, I just had the re-flash done. I plan to ride it a few days to better characterize the bike's behavior with this new program in place. I'll report back in this thread after that. Thanks...
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Mark61
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 03:57 am: |
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Have you checked the fuel temp in the tank when you hear the Bioling/bubbling? Could you use 1 of those non contact thermomitors to also check temp of injector area when you have to problem?
Radar |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 08:43 am: |
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Y'know... what Mark just posted above is a good idea.
At Willow Springs, because of the heat, I will have my IR thermo-measuring/laser-pointed widget in the pits today (bringing it out from home). We need to use it for track, tire and engine/radiator temperatures.
It'd be simple to measure your component heat. Ask to borrow it when you're out.
Today looks to be a scorcher. Yesterday was over 100
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Jimidan
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 09:48 am: |
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I am certainly no expert on how auto/motorcycle businesses should operate for continued economic success, but I have had cars and bikes all my 57 years of life and have had experiences with numerous and varied service departments. I have had the worst experiences with HD dealership service departments. I remember when I had a problem with my S2 at Bikeweek and took it in to the service manager at Daytona HD/Buell and told him, "I have a Buell S2...", where he cut me off and said, "That's YOUR problem!" to the guffaws of all around. After reading the experiences of the new generation Buell owners above, all I can say is that it seems that things haven't changed much.
Assuming that the above reported facts are true, it seems odd that a dealership doesn't have and cannot get his techs trained on this new 1125R machine. In fact, the dealership in question didn't even know that training was available until the customer tells him about other dealerships that have had their techs trained, because the customer read it on the internet. Then when the dealership looks online to the official Buell site he can't find the training.
It also seems odd that a customer who cannot get his new bike fixed under warranty at his dealership where he bought the bike has to go online to a non-Buell site (Badweb) to get his problem diagnosed by a helpful, yet hamstrung (he doesn't have the bike in front of him) Anony tech for a problem that apparently many owners of this machine are having.
I applaud this Anony tech for his willingness to try to help in some small way, but I just have to shake my head at the way HD/Buell is running their business. This stuff is sad. It is no wonder why the some machines in the fleet of press bikes will not run well enough to pull a dyno run or putt around in the city. I have asked this before in the face of unbelievable circumstances, but is Buell trying to go out of business or what?
So, lets get this straight, in lieu of a dealership with a well-trained and professional service staff to provide the highest level of customer satisfaction possible, with convenient service hours and factory-trained service technicians, 1125R customers have to go on-line to a non-Buell Co. site. On this non-Buell site they will have to try to describe the problems as best they can regarding extremely technical FI systems to an Anony tech, who then will take this unverified "input" and will relay what part of it that he can reproduce and prove directly to BMC!
And that is how these customers "WILL GET THESE ISSUES RESOLVED!"
Sounds like a great plan to me...for economic disaster.
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Alans
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 10:18 am: |
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Jimidan, the facts as I described them are 'true'. That is, they happened as I describe. What was in the other man's mind, or behind his words, I can't say. My impression is that he hadn't taken the Buell service as much of an issue until Glenn and I sat down with him. But it was also my impression that the man was sincere when he assured us he'd rectify the short-coming of having no trained tech. I have to give the man a chance to change things.
You make some interesting points. But please keep in mind that if I'd only provided my letter to my dealer, and not posted here, you--and any other owner--would never know I had this problem. That's key here.
I think we have to keep in mind the important point that I've provided my complaint to my dealer (see letter in 1st post). That is the lynch-pin of my concern, this report to my dealer. I expect the resolution of this issue to come via my dealer regardless of who solves the riddle of why my bike's sometimes real hard to start. I will not, based upon the outcome or anything said in this thread modify my bike. Period. Modifications, if any are forthcoming, will come via my dealer. That is key, too.
Do you own an 1125R, and if so, are you having an issue with hard-starting when your bike is hot?
If anony is motivated to work these issues, and provide his feedback to BMC in the background, I think that can only be good.
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Mingo
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 10:19 am: |
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Is this anonymous from bmc or a mechanic at an H-D,Buell dealership? |
Zac4mac
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 10:47 am: |
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From the sound of it, most likely a tech at a dealership.
That's still in the "official loop" albeit not as effective as being plugged into BMC's engineering department.
Guys "in the trenches" have a more detailed view of the situation usually than R&D ever gets.
These threads try to be a resource for COMPARING issues and observations.
They cease to be productive when they turn into a whine-fest.
This is a very productive thread IMO. |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 01:10 pm: |
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They cease to be productive when they turn into a whine-fest.
I think that this thread is productive for a variety of reasons, and is a long way from a whine-fest. |
Zac4mac
| | Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2008 - 08:48 pm: |
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I didn't at all mean to imply that about this thread.
That's why I said I thought this was a productive thread.
With any issues, first talk to your dealer.
Then, if needed or if away from home, call BMC-CS.
Then come compare notes with other users here as far as symptoms and resolutions.
Like it or not, we owners are part of the solution.
I like that.
Z |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 12:33 pm: |
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I like wine. Where's the fest? |
Josh_
| | Posted on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 12:45 pm: |
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Alans,
I don't see listed above, do you turn the key on and wait for the "check engine" light to go off before trying to start the bike?
Mine has starting issues like you report when the bike is hot and I hit the starter before the engine light is off.
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Xnr
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:19 pm: |
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From what I read, this thread is about the bubbling sound in the fuel cell ... often accompanied by hard starting. I see that the hard starting can be cleared by the "plug-defouling" 4 second firing on full-throttle ignition ON switch routine. Thanks for that tidbit.
I have observed the bubbling several times now. The weather has not been especially warm here in PA this year ... maybe 75F a few days. And, my coolant temp has not exceeded 195 even during backups for road work on US30. But, I can guarantee if the tank is low and the bike is warm the fuel will bubble.
I saw one reply here of the "cold tape" at the frame/tank near the rear header. I did not see anyone confirm that. I plan to try it as soon as I find out what is cold tape.
I am not expecting any help from a dealership on this heat issue. The heat was noted by many riders during the pre-release stage. This is what we bought into for whatever reason (acceleration !). Did you ever wonder where all that fuel (30 mpg) is going? HEAT!
I do not plan on riding the R in traffic when summer rolls around. It's just going to be too hot ... mostly on the right thigh ... worse than the X1. |
Unibear12r
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:36 pm: |
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I've yet to feel any excess heat on myself anywhere while riding the 1125, even now in triple digit temps. |
Xbr323
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 05:48 pm: |
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Im new to the buells just bought an xb12r couple of months ago and was really thinking of getting an 1125, but with my nearest dealer 2 hrs away i think ill wait a year or so. it seems most of the techs go from air cooled bikes to a more radical design and arent sure what to do kinda scary when spending 12 grand |
Zac4mac
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 06:02 pm: |
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I think it has to do with how much stop and go you do.
I haven't had any heat issues either.
Mine's been ridden anywhere from 14F to 91F.
She's running rough now, but I'm confident BMC will fix that too.
Z |
Xnr
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 07:46 pm: |
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Unibear, thanks for the positive reply on the heat issue. As a polar bear doesn't mind cold, maybe they do not overheat either :^)
BTW, you need to update your profile to include that 1125. |
Ccryder
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 07:59 pm: |
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It was 85 yesterday and 80 today and I didn't feel any excess heat. If I was riding my ST1300, I would be A LOT MORE TOASTY!
It seems someone has done their heat management homework on the 1125r. If I put my hands just behind my knees you can feel heat coming out the tail section vents, but not on my legs or butt.
Neil S. |
Slypiranna
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 08:19 pm: |
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Ccryder,
What is your coolant temps and average riding conditions?
Have you sat in stop and go traffic idling or are you in a rural environment? |
Ccryder
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 09:35 pm: |
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My daily commute is 2 lane country roads for 55 miles and then 5 miles stop and go in town. I see anywhere from 185-210. When I'm stop and go waiting for lights or school bus unload I see the higher coolant temps.
I also ride in big city traffic (Nashville) and sit for 2-10 mins and only move a few feet to a block or two. Highest I've seen is the 210.
Neil S. |
Doerman
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 11:16 pm: |
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I can beat that Neil... I saw 214 Sunday when the actual ambient was 104F (bike showed ambient of 133F).
- no roasted body parts
- no fuel boiling
- no hard start issues
- no pressurized tank
- no fuel smell in the garage after I got home
My XB would have been more of a heat issue for me under the same condition. So yes, I wholeheartedly agree that BMC has the temperature management handled on those bikes that don't have issues (like mine). It was a hot day - on any bike.
Xnr...
AutoZone carries the tape and it cost $20. I put the tape on mine a couple of months ago since my BMW had the tape (from the factory) in areas where exhaust plumbing was routed near parts that should not get hot. Seemed like a good idea after it was brought up by fellow BadWeBers. I ride mine in LA rush hour traffic pretty near daily and don't experience any issues. I would not ride it through Death Valley in August, but then again, I would not ride any bike through Death Valley in August. |
Xnr
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 11:25 am: |
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Hmmm ... sounds like I am one of a few that has a heat problem.
I'll try the tape to lower the heat getting to the frame/tank. I see what it is and where to purchase. Thanks, Doerman
I really have not had the hard starting problem yet but from Alans original post I thought that was where I was heading when the weather heats up.
Maybe there is something different about my bike that was improved on later production. I am at S/N 4xx. |
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