| Author | Message | ||
     Rubberdown |
Ducati is currently offering 1.99% for up to 72 months on 1098's and Hypermotos. FYI. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Oh crap, Mike's getting new bike fever again....  | ||
| Spike |
He never got over it from last time. He has a chronic case.  | ||
| Fandango |
Has anyone seen the article in the June issue of UrbanMoto? http://www.sfurbanmoto.com/ There's what they call a "non-comparison" of the 1125-R and the Duc 1098. They trash the Buell pretty bad! | ||
| Rex |
would be cool to see a comparison of ducati 1098 , buell 1125 r, the new Ktm bike, aprilia, and the rc 51 to see what would be written up.....REX | ||
| Jimidan |
Now this Buell, while costing $4000 less than the 1098 puts out very similar power with very similar weight. The Duc and RC8 put out 25 more RWHP (at 160) than the Buell...but at least for the Duc, it comes at a cost of increased purchase price and maintenance. You want to play, you gotta pay. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
The Duc and RC8 put out 25 more RWHP (at 160) than the Buell...but at least for the Duc, it comes at a cost of increased purchase price and maintenance. Stop exaggerating. Duc 1098 160hp KTM RC8 155hp Buell 1125r 146hp | ||
| Anonymous |
Jimi, I'll bet you a million dollars, or any quantity less than, that no random, stock, base 1098 off a US showroom floor makes 25 rear-wheel-horsepower more than any random 1125 from a US Buell dealer. Blake can hold the cash, and verify which Anonymous this is. The rwhp number is closer to 5 than 25. Check the recent Cycle World numbers if you don't believe me. The first 1098S they tested with a full-on race exhaust and race ECM didn't come close to making 25 horsepower more than CW's recent 1125 testbike. | ||
| Slypiranna |
Just read the rag...seemed to be very forgiving, up front and honest, given the circumstances of the number of press bikes they went through. The one thing that leaves me wondering though is the actual dry weight of our 1125? No matter how you slice the data...it just doesn't add up...per the article. They did weigh the bikes, less fuel but subtract all the other fluids and the battery and you still don't get down to 375# ? Any insight out there? | ||
| Elvis |
All the real dynos I've seen on the 1098 put it in an approximately 130-140 range. About the same range as the 1125R. Just because Ducati claims 160 HP doesn't make it true.  | ||
| Spike |
I've been waiting for someone to call him out on that, I don't expect him to come clean. Most of the magazine tests for the 1098S show it making 140-150rwhp. Magazine results for the 1125R are in the mid 130rwhp range. Owner dynos for the 1098s are showing up down in the 130s. The lowest result I've seen for an 1125R is 128rwhp. Apples to apples, the bikes are very close in power output. I'd spot Jimi 5rwhp and say he can't even come up with a 20rwhp deficit without cherry-picking the data. | ||
| Mingo |
Sly, Buell reported the dry weight, "wet minus fuel" as 421 pounds in the pre-release tests to several of the magazines.If you google- Buell 1125R 421 pounds | ||
| Pariah |
Yes, but according to Buell's specs, if you drain all the fluids (fuel, brake, radiator, etc.) you should get 375lb. What Sly is saying that the magazines are reporting completely dry weights of over 400lb... Only thing I can think of is that 375lb is a pre-production weight, so maybe some hardware was off the bike? | ||
| Jimidan |
Jimi, I'll bet you a million dollars, or any quantity less than, that no random, stock, base 1098 off a US showroom floor makes 25 rear-wheel-horsepower more than any random 1125 from a US Buell dealer. Blake can hold the cash, and verify which Anonymous this is. The rwhp number is closer to 5 than 25. Check the recent Cycle World numbers if you don't believe me. The first 1098S they tested with a full-on race exhaust and race ECM didn't come close to making 25 horsepower more than CW's recent 1125 testbike. OK Anony, you are on. I will bet you $1 million dollars. - - - - - - Not! Where am I supposed to get a million dollars anyway...I am barely able to make the farm mortgage payments. Where are YOU going to get a million dollars? I stand corrected on my HP numbers, as I was referring to the actual dyno numbers (134) for the Buell in the Cycle World against the claimed HP (that would be, er ah, claimed crank HP) of 160 for the Duc and RC8, as listed in other magazines. Only after rechecking did I discover my mistake. Sorry.  So the Duc and RC8 only have a claimed HP advantage of 14 HP...I guess we will see what the real advantage is when we get some independent tests done. I do not doubt your assessment however, as you obviously are pretty sure about it or you would not be betting money that you don't have either. The only dyno around here is the one at my HD dealership and they don't even know how to use it to tune with. It is just a penis measuring device for HOG owners, making one pull for $XX, or two pulls for $XXX. I don't really care about this claimed HP debate, as I do not have a horse in this race, but I did not intend to post false numbers or exaggerate. I will probably buy one of your 1125Rs after this first year get-all-the-bugs out issue, and sell my 996R to do it (but not my S2 or S1). I am sure that it will have more than enough for anything I could do with it...which will probably be getting my license suspended. I did do a search of my mags and on the net about the claimed HP of each bike, which we all know how that goes, and I found an article in Cycle World that gave the RC8 160, and another that said the RC8 had MORE HP than claimed by the factory. Motor Cyclist said the claimed HP was 155. | ||
| Fandango |
From UrbanMoto June issue: "It seems the real world facts, according to Cycle World at least (A well respected moto publication) are: the Buell makes 134 HP and 75.9 Ft. Lb. of torque. The 848 makes 119 HP and 64.1 Ft. Lb. of torque. But probably the most pertinent, real world figures were at the drag strip, where the Buell ran a 10.39 quarter mile at 134 MPH, while the little Duc 848 ran a 10.49 at 133 MPH. The Buell was only one tenth of a second quicker and one mile an hour faster! This, with the Ducati having almost 300 cc less displacement and the Buell having 15 more horsepower! It looks like one more Harley hyped faux pas, where it’s all smoke and mirrors. No comparison!" | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Fandango=Troll. Lots of credibility for a magazine that that equates "real world" with drag strip. Meaningless crap. | ||
| Clarkjw |
I'd get an RC8, but it's 18.5k in Holland! WTF, drop the price! | ||
| Jimidan |
It looks like one more Harley hyped faux pas, where it’s all smoke and mirrors. No comparison!" The Buell could have been tuned for more peak HP, but it chose to have nice flat power band for STREET riding. The 848 is a high strung filly that requires near race engine maintenance...because it is an off the shelf race bike with lights on it. Anywho, who goes drag racing with a Duc or a Buell...folks that are afraid to go around curves. | ||
| Jimidan |
I've been waiting for someone to call him out on that, I don't expect him to come clean. You don't know me well enough (or at ALL) to predict what to expect that I will do. If I am wrong, which I was, I am man enough to admit it and apologize.} | ||
| Slypiranna |
This model should be brought back into the light of what market it was designed for. Great handling bike with modern engine, designed for the street. I hope we can steer this one back to there somewhat. Most interested OWNERS or potential BUYERS might loose interest, otherwise. | ||
| Spike |
I know you were willing to drag Buell over the coals about the SAE/metric issue, use incorrect HP figures, and claim that the incorrect HP figures were enough for a "bloodbath" over the 1125R. Those indicate either a person who is looking to bash Buell, or a person who was simply ignorant of the facts. The horsepower data was fairly easy to verify, so what does that leave us? In any case, I appreciate that you were willing to admit it when you were wrong and I'll certainly grant you more leeway in the future. | ||
| Bigeasy |
I went to a ducati trackday with my 1125r at eagels canyon in texas. I will say this, there are 4 straights on this track with a rather large one in the 150 mph range on this track. Point is the 1098s were not running away at all from the buell off the corners onto the straight. I also could catch some of the 999s down the straight too. The only bikes there that could pull the 1125 were the desmodici, 1098r and they had better for what they cost. (absolutely beautifull bikes) I will be going back in october armed with the saron pipe!!! As far as everyone saying this is really a street bike I disagree. The buell can more then hold its own the track. See if I can post a pic of that desmo for u guys and you'll never quess who was riding it!!! Or maybe you can. AH man I am computer retarded and the pic is to big. Anyway it was Kevin Schwantz. (Message edited by bigeasy on May 17, 2008) | ||
| Cataract2 |
Big, how were you doing on the corner to straights? Were you keeping up with the 1098 or pull away from them? Overall? (Message edited by cataract2 on May 17, 2008) | ||
| Bigeasy |
Cat I would say dead even I could smoke some guys and pull dead even with others. I think once you reach the performance of these two bikes it comes down to the same thing it always does! The skill of the moron attached to the handle bars. Point being the buell has the skills to slice and dice with the rest on track once you figure out the suspension settings. Maybe the pros might be different but for the other 90 percent of us she has the goods. Anyone else saying different should be racing for a living in my opinion. You cant race paper and I believe they proofed that in Germany not so long ago. By the way I am a huge Ducati fan! When the 1098 came out it was not without its teething problems also.  Thats me seems to haull ass just fine!!! Hahaha sorry kinda of buzzed at the moment. Its a law down here in New Orleans!! | ||
| Fandango |
Not a troll, just repeating verbatim what was printed in UrbanMoto. Then, everyone complains about their reference to the drag strip and the rest of the thread revolves around the performance on the straights? You guys are too much. | ||
| Bigeasy |
 whatever they have their report and i gave mine | ||
| Elvis |
Yeah, I put a LOT more stock in a report from someone who actually rode the 1125R on a track (Bigeasy) than something called "UrbanMoto" (probably written by some guy in his mom's basement) that looks like their research was limited to reading Cycle World. | ||
| Bigeasy |
 Thanks (oh I have to go moms coming!! hehehe) | ||
| Jimidan |
I know you were willing to drag Buell over the coals about the SAE/metric issue, use incorrect HP figures, and claim that the incorrect HP figures were enough for a "bloodbath" over the 1125R. Those indicate either a person who is looking to bash Buell, or a person who was simply ignorant of the facts. The horsepower data was fairly easy to verify, so what does that leave us? Well, the SAE/metric issue is important to me, after having to drag around both when I take my frequent long trips on an S2. It obviously does not mean much to you...but you do not decide what my priorities are. True enough, the HP figures were fairly easy to verify, but the window in the Cycle World article did not state that the HP was from a dyno pull...and since I had read the article days before, I didn't remember them even being able to make the pull since the first bike wouldn't run well enough to do it. It was a bone head mistake that I acknowledge...I guess you have never done anything like that, huh? As far a trying to stick the "Buell Basher" label on me...that is your opinion. One man's constructive criticism is another man's bashing...just ask Reg Kittrelle. Just ask Erik Buell. I have 3 Buell VIN # in my name...how many do you have? I have been a Buell owner since 1997 and I am on first name basis with nearly everyone at my dealership. Besides, what are sites like this one for if not to express one's opinion on things that they see that just don't make sense? | ||
| Fandango |
"something called "UrbanMoto" (probably written by some guy in his mom's basement) that looks like their research was limited to reading Cycle World." UrbanMoto is a magazine with International distribution. You Yanks are too much. |
