| Author | Message | ||
     Fast1075 |
I would be willing to bet one of the major problems with very high compression is the big ole honkin' piston dome getting in the way of proper flame propagation???? I am feeling the dark side calling to me...mwaaahhhhhhh!!!! P.S. I am indeed impressed with the tech section of a certain unnamed performance vendor...well written in easy to understand terms and to the best of my understanding and experience accurate...a must read!!!  | ||
| Buelliedan |
The biggest probem with high compression on a Blast is not the piston but the design of the cylinder head. A Blast has a Lightning head. It is not a very well designed head from the factory and has a ton of shrouding around the valves and a poorly designed combustion chamber. this causes poor flow and detonation issues. HD bikes that came with these heads aded a second spark plug which helped a lot with the detonation problems. The heads can also be helped a lot with some good headwork. Like I said I am not allowed to link anything here but feel free to call me if you have any questions. | ||
| Reuel |
Hey, Dan! I just sent you a PM. I make phone calls when I have cash in hand.  | ||
| Fast1075 |
Thanks for the input Dan...I am very confident of who to call. | ||
| Slowhand96 |
Dan, Why aren't you a sponsor here? | ||
| Blake |
Advertise: To call the attention of the public to a product or business; to promote; to market. Advertising here is a privilege strictly reserved for BadWeB sponsors, the folks who see fit to help support this site and those using it. Advertising consists of stuff like telling folks to call you if you have any questions or any other commentary designed to garner attention for you or your business. It is not a fully accurate characterization to say that "(you are) not allowed to link anything here", or that "I am not allowed to link to my site as i am not a sponsor here." It is that we do our best to enforce our terms of use here equally for all, including you. And, those terms of use reserve the right to advertise for our sponsors. As to the subject at hand, the Revolution Performance 515cc kit includes a state-of-the-art, made-in-America, aerospace grade aluminum nickel-silicon carbide plated cylinder with a lifetime warranty. It behooves an honest man to compare apples to apples. In this case that would be a lifetime-warrantied, made-in-America, nickel-silicon carbide plated apple, not an iron-lined Chinese orange. Compression ratio on its own means little. The engine must be configured as a unit with piston, cams and headwork. Cams with greater overlap can support higher compression ratios just fine. My recommendation is that you talk directly to all the experts, tell them what you are looking for in performance and usage and let them recommend their optimum solution. Then weigh all the alternatives and go with what you feel is the best solution for you. But most of all, have fun and be sure to let us in on some of it.! ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) (Message edited by blake on May 06, 2008) | ||
| Ezblast |
I actually prefer the Nicsil cyl. myself - if you like to get on it - durability is a must, if you just want a bit more umph and a solid foundation, then you could go cheaper, however, I would like to point out that almost all serious motors have Nicsil cyl.s and that includes mfg.d performance motors as well. EZ | ||
| Buelliedan |
Blake, I do not want to get into a pissing match but I can show you many MANY of those "apples" as you call them that were not worth the aluminum used to make them. They now are used as door stops throughout our shop. that is all they are good for. Remember we used to sell them. In fact NRHS sold more Millenium cylinders than anybody at one point. There is a reason why we no longer do, that being a 20% failure rate for the plating going bad. If you don't want to take my word for it give GMR a call and ask him why he no longer sells Millenium cylinders either. Here is their phone number: 928-445-3473 Steve is not my friend, he is a competitor. If you like I can post lots of pictures of Millenium cylinders with bad plating for everyone to see. I see folks still believe that nikasil is more durable than iron lined. That just has not shown to be true. I see many iron lined cylinders still good after 50,000 miles. Every Nikasil I have seen needs replating after 40,000 miles. This includes Axtell Nikasil cylinders also. I am not just bashing Millenium here although the Axtells have proven to havea much lower failure rate. What you descibe as a plated apple I would instead call a polished turd! If iron lined cylinders are so bad why does the factory use them? I am sure I am about to be banned here but I felt the truth shuld be told. (Message edited by buelliedan on May 06, 2008) | ||
| Ezblast |
No one is banning any one - the cylinders you are talking about are the old style - no longer made - the new style is widely accepted - even by HD - for racing applications, etc. - surely they have good reasons for that - a life time warranty tells me a lot - at least as far as being comfortable with a purchase - even if they don't last that long, I can exchange them for new if they do wear. EZ | ||
| Blake |
A lifetime warranty speaks for itself. Iron lined aren't bad. They work well. They have their own issues. The fact that aluminum expands with temperature at twice the rate of iron being one of them. Iron's inferior heat conductivity being another. The potential for bond failure between the liner and cylinder being another. Badmouthing the competition is a poor and suspect way of doing business. It pretty much sours me on whatever business engages such a miserable practice. Burning bridges and badmouthing former parts suppliers is an extremely poor and slimy way of doing business. My Millennium cylinders, going on their 8th year now, including race track duty, are working perfectly. Honda and like, and the US military too will be interested to learn of your findings re nicasil plated cylinders not lasting. Unlike some forums where one and only one performance shop is represented among the sponsors, we don't ban folks for posting opposing viewpoints. BadWeB is no fifedom for any sponsor. | ||
| Buelliedan |
Blake, I see the hypocrite Blake is alive and well. To poo-poo me for defending my product after you attacked it.. To answer the question above this is the reason I am not a sponsor here. NRHS was one of the original sponsors of BadWeb but I will not give my money to somebody who treats me like this. I had more to say but it just is not worth the effort. Hope to see many of you at Homecoming. (Message edited by buelliedan on May 06, 2008) | ||
| Ezblast |
Dan - who erased your third post up? EZ | ||
| Buelliedan |
That was me. I had written a long comparison about iron lined vs. Nikasils but I am just so tired of this crap. (Message edited by buelliedan on May 06, 2008) | ||
| Ezblast |
Thank you - you damn Hatfields and McKoys - lol - make it hard on a poor humble Blastard to glean a bit of knowledge - but I manage - See you around a bend or at an ASBN meeting. EZ | ||
| Fast1075 |
For once, I have nothing much to say...having never owned or worked on a Harley based engine, I am gathering info and data for use working on and modifying the Mighty Blast! | ||
| Blake |
Buy American. | ||
| Ezblast |
Concur! | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
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| Buelliedan |
You guys all ride Buells and you make buy American statements? I guess you better remove your suspension, brakes and wheels fom your bikes then if you have to have American parts. I pretty sure the frames and the electrical components on XBs and Blasts are also imported but I might be wrong there. BTW, All machine work on NRHS cylinders is done right here in Colorado and our pistons are made in California. But Blake is right the raw cylinders are imported. So Blake, please tell us what kind of cars are in your drievway and garage? I am sure they must all be American vehicles right? I have a Chevy work truck, an 03 Hummer H2 and my wife drives a 07 Hummer H3 just to keep things real here.. | ||
| Ezblast |
Uh oh - the dreaded buy American debate - I buy American where I can, but I have imported stuff as well - lol - heck my wifes Russian - I prefer to check the quality of a product then consider where it was made, to see if it still holds value for me. Its a global economy now days - so unless your just buying land - it probably has a piece or part from another nation involved - if in no other way than the gas to ship it. EZ | ||
| Buelliedan |
I concur as you would say EZ. | ||
| Reuel |
Both my daughters were made in the Philippines, but they're American! I buy American, and I don't complain when I change out a Chinese bearing with a Canadian bearing. | ||
| Fast1075 |
One thing about the "global economy"...I for one am glad to see "import" parts and pieces in the case where the parts and pieces were out sourced in order to obtain HIGH QUALITY parts...there have been a lot of manufacturers come and go simply due to poor quality parts...anybody ever own an old Triumph for example (bike OR car)..one of the worst faults was the POS Lucas electricals....Italian bikes...MotoSplat ignition...brakes on any pre-modern Harley..the absolute worst brakes I have ever seen were on AMF "Harleys". One of the things I REALLY like about my P3 is the Nissin brake calipers as an example...and the decent Keihin carb... I sell ice machines...The best one on the market today is a brand named Hoshizaki...made entirely in Peachtree City Georgia, using all American branded components except the controller board and water pump..It would be all American if any company here met the durability requirements. | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Oops, my bad. I didnt know it was no longer PC to be patriotic. The debate sounds like a good way for the Buell and Harley riders to kill each other so the Japaneses companies can win (or would that be the Chinese now? Koreans? Indians? or?) Concur EZ. I still think that Government agencies should buy American. "Hoshizaki" "Kanetsu" They dont sound American, but they are (within the global economy parameters). I guess the times are if you want to advertise quality, give it an Asian name. This post in no way reflects an anti Asian philosophy. | ||
| Fast1075 |
Sometimes I ramble endlessly...my actual point was that (I would assume) Erik Buell and/or the "other" powers that be at Buell chose to out source some of the components in an attempt to provide high quality parts. The last bike I rode that had "American" brakes, when you pulled the lever...it only amounted to a suggestion that the bike slow down. And most likely (I haven't dissected any to see) all bikes including the "other" American motorcycle use import components too. On my last couple of dragbikes, I used Grimeca brake components...darn good stuff. The sad thing about my ice machine statement is that there are (other than Hoshi) three other ice machine companies that ARE strictly American made...and they aren't worth the weight of the scrap metal they will become shortly after the warranty expires...One of the companies based in Minnesota has such bad problems with the equipment, they can't keep a Distributor for more than a few months..brand new machines out of the box with problems...JUNK!.. We have machines in the field that are 15+ years old and still reliable... | ||
| Blake |
"my actual point was that (I would assume) Erik Buell and/or the "other" powers that be at Buell chose to out source some of the components in an attempt to provide high quality parts. " That is an excellent point and an astute observation! | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Yes, I got the point too! | ||
| Buelliedan |
If you saw the new NRHS 1250 cylinders in person you would realize these are much higher quality than anything available from a US company. I was able to custom spec everything I wanted in a cylinder to include a liner that is over 1/4 inch thicker than any other cylinder out there. This provides much more rigidity which leads to beter ring sealing. These are a brand new product not the V-twin cylinders we used to sell. (Message edited by buelliedan on May 13, 2008) | ||
| Ezblast |
Cool! - Got Pictures? EZ | ||
| Gbaz |
there are factories in china where you can get almost anything you want made to any quality. want cheep u got it, want quality, u can get that too. then they ship it to u in an ISO container. it all depends on what you want to spend. |
