| Author | Message | ||
     Hdwrench |
(Message edited by hdwrench on May 06, 2008) | ||
| Doerman |
I love people that are proactive! You're awesome Kelly! I think I followed what you said. More importantly, I believe you have gone beyond and above to deliver a really valuable piece of information for Buell to work on. This is exciting! | ||
| Slypiranna |
The reason...MY OPINION...that this throttle is designed as such is to allow the throttle solenoid to do it's noise emission function...all without the rider's knowing. Read disconnecting throttle solenoid in the archived threads. Even with the solenoid disconnected at the t body (which does reduce this tendency noticably)...you still may experience a very slight hickup, at random, if going on the throttle very quickly... I've been on this for over a month now...almost got it... FOR OFF ROAD PURPOSES ONLY & SURE TO VOID YOUR WARRANTY! I had to add that for obvious reasons...NOR DO I RECOMMEND THIS AS A CURE...THAT IS BUELLS DEPARTMENT...and they are more than qualified to remedy this situation. | ||
| Hdwrench |
(Message edited by hdwrench on May 06, 2008) | ||
| Brad1445 |
HDWrench, I think your awesome! Keep up the great work! | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Thanks HDWrench. Sorry about the Troll accusation, but your first post was very direct with no background or explanation. Please keep us informed on your findings. Some owners are sitting back waiting for feedback on the ECM re-flash before taking the plunge. | ||
| Hdwrench |
(Message edited by hdwrench on May 06, 2008) | ||
| Blake |
Fly by spring?  What I'm reading is that the throttle cable actuates a spring, which in turn actuates the throttle except in cases of intense engine intake vaccum, the spring fails to provide enough force to open the throttle, thus the bike no go when expected. Yes? Get rid of the spring and connect the throttle grip via cable directly to the throttle plate? | ||
| Dano_12s |
This spring/throttle cable have anything to do with the slipper clutch assy.? | ||
| Zac4mac |
Rode mine about 50 miles yesterday after the reflash. Because of comments about the lag, I spent about 5 miles wacking the throttle WFO/shut from 4-5k rpm. Twice it went flat - sounded and felt like the ignition or the injectors just "turned-off", butterflies were definitely open. Very hard to repeat, only 2 instances out of 50-60 "wacks". Is this what you're talking about? Z | ||
| Zac4mac |
Finally, got the info on WHEN the Active Intake solenoid actuates. 3rd gear, 4-5 k rpm, WFO... ONLY Z | ||
| Hdwrench |
(Message edited by hdwrench on May 06, 2008) | ||
| Vincent |
hey Hdwrench, not to tell you how to do your job but did you disconnect the A I solenoid and see if you still have the lag? I know from first person experience that this solenoid will indeed drag and cause the flies to not open. Id say mark off another possibility. | ||
| Slypiranna |
Hdwrench...your on to it now brother. Again, not recommending the disconnect for a solution but it would be a good test. It is possible that the actual positioning adjustment is off tolerance as this WILL cause a big mess in throttle response along with other drama. Don't be surprised if you disconnect the noid and still have a slight issue, as I've stated above. Concerning what you entered..."Sorry! Customers keep me in business. If I don't correct the problem the first time that loses confidence and I don't respond well to that. I maybe overeacted and did not frase myself properly and also wanted to confirm my suspicions!"... I could not agree more with you. It really is too bad that a lot of folks don't "See" things this way when it comes to their individual work ethics. | ||
| Dalton_gang |
What happened to all of Hd`s post? Did I miss something? | ||
| Brad1445 |
I bet he got in trouble for trying to help?  I don't get it! | ||
| Xb9 |
So anyone that read his posts, can you let us in on what was said? | ||
| Zac4mac |
WTF??? I didn't think you could edit after a few hours... Well, thanks for the help hdwrench, hope you still have your job. Read between the lines... Z (Message edited by zac4mac on May 07, 2008) | ||
| Darkice19 |
Whats with all the censorship of people trying to help. I love this web page and learned everything i know about buells here. Its a sad day when some of our buell brothers step up to help and get squashed by the establishment. Been seeing this allot here and its not right. Ill have to start getting my buell info elsewhere. Goodbye. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Finally, got the info on WHEN the Active Intake solenoid actuates. 3rd gear, 4-5 k rpm, WFO... ONLY Hmmmm. Exactly where mine stumbles. And Zac, I agree it is hard to replicate. A couple times every 40-50 seems about right. Why the inconsistency I wonder? and as far as HDWrench, sounds like some factory censorship to me. that sucks. Maybe something was being let out of the bag we weren't supposed to hear. | ||
| Zac4mac |
Well the now empty posts say he edited them. Good thing he only had 8 posts. Now that I know when that solenoid actuates, I'm not too worried about it. I'm gonna leave it be, on mine. I don't usually stay in 3rd for more than a second or two. I just wish Loretta would learn what altitude we're at soon. I want to hit the hills, but not the way she's running now. Z | ||
| Fresnobuell |
So has it been established why this solenoid does what it does, when it does? | ||
| Zac4mac |
The E-manual says: "The active intake system uses a solenoid under the airbox which is connected to the throttle valve via a cable. The throttle valve is automatically closed by the solenoid under certain conditions to reduce engine noise. The active intake solenoid is provided battery voltage by the ignition relay. The ECM provides ground to activate the solenoid." I was told by the tech side of BMC-CS that it only activates in 3rd gear between 4-5k rpm. It's there to pass EPA noise crap. It can stay where it's at on Loretta, it doesn't get in my way, physically or functionally. It has 3 DTCs(error codes) associated with its presence and function. Z | ||
| Ccryder |
Darkice: Before you are too critical of BWB, you might want to think it through. Someone could be protecting his job right now. I would do the same thing if push comes to shove. Next thing that will come up is a conspiracy theory  Later | ||
| Brad1445 |
Ccryder, you are likely correct. The sad thing is it makes people question other things. Honesty and openest will never be the wrong decision. | ||
| Doerman |
Honesty and openest will never be the wrong decision. Very true! Hdwrench decided to remove his posts. His reasons we can only guess at and that's non-productive. I'm betting on the fact that he is still working the issues with BMC to all our benefits. If you're still listening Kelly, thanks for your contribution! | ||
| Ccryder |
Er, Ahh, let's get on to business. What subject was this? Oh yeah, on my ride to work this AM I ran into rain! It sure is nice to have the V-twin torque and the evil surge vanquished after the flash. Nice to just torque on in the wet and not worry about spinning up unexpectedly. Now if we can just cure the dreaded "black hand". New gloves are great except, the first few times they get wet!!! Later | ||
| Blake |
Whats with all the censorship of people trying to help. I love this web page and learned everything i know about buells here. BadWeB custodians had absolutely ZERO to do with Hdwrench's decision to edit/remove the content of his posts. He did so entirely of his own volition with no influence, input, or knowledge whatsoever from custodians here, including me. Hdwrench is obviously one of the brightest assests that Buell has working on their behalf at the dealership level. Anyone threatening Hdwrench's career over his sharing information here is over-reacting, and casting themselves in a horrendously bad light, alienating fellow Buell enthusiasts including me, and displaying a myopic pettiness equal to cutting off their nose to spite their face. If his career has not been threatened, and he was asked politely to avoid posting proprietary or sensitive information, to keep it within the pro-active channels at Buell Motorcycle Company, then I can understand that. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case. It is obvious that in Hdwrench we have been fortunate to find an enthusiastic, intelligent, and eager Buell technician with a heartfelt desire to support the brand and his customers. Shame on anyone who overlooks that in favor of a circling the wagons fear-induced legal protectionist approach to such issues. Shame. I sure hope that no one has gone so far as to threaten the man's employment over his exuberance and eagerness to help get his customers' 1125R motorcycles running well. There is a real chance here for unprecedented positive cooperation and good-will among dealerships, customers, and BMC. Please don't blow it out of some fear-induced legal nonsense. (Message edited by blake on May 07, 2008) | ||
| Blake |
"Been seeing (our buell brothers step up to help and get squashed by the establishment) a lot here" I'd sure like to be made aware of such occurrences. Please advise via PM. | ||
| Sycojomo |
My bike is currently in Hdwrench's shop. The problem is most likely with the spring that rotates the shaft onto which the butterfly valves are mounted. When making a subtle throttle input, it appears the spring is not strong enough to reliably overcome the vacuum holding the butterfly valves closed. This creates a scenario where the operator may slowly twist the throttle and the engine RPMs will not respond until the butterfly valves suddenly break away from the vacuum at which point the engine will respond very suddenly. It should be clarified that this spring may not be the actual culprit, but it does seems likely. This became dangerous the other day when I slowed behind a line of vehicles following a turning car. As the line of cars accelerated, I began twisting the throttle but my RPMs were still dropping. I continued trying to find the rotation angle at which the throttle would respond, when suddenly it responded at nearly 100% and I found myself doing a wheelie towards the vehicles in front of me. Very cool if it was intentional, not so cool when the bike does a wheelie without warning. The problem is quite obvious during shifting, starting from a complete stop, and at the apex of corner when attempting to softly roll on the throttle. Twisting the throttle control very quickly will not reveal this issue. Edit: I also want to mention that I got one of those bikes with the special gasoline pre-boiler that some of you have mentioned. (Message edited by sycojomo on May 07, 2008) |
