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Buellrider11960
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 06:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

can anyone recommend a good shotgun for home defense thanks for any input never owned gun before doing research on web but prefer input from owners as well
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Loki
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 06:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I prefer the Mossberg 500. It is a noisy pump gun, but is utterly reliable.
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Ulyssesguy
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 07:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Another good option is the Mossberg 590 its the upgraded version of the 500...
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Hdbobwithabuell
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 07:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Can't go wrong with a Remington 870. All kinds of aftermarket add-ons available from extended magazine tubes to recoil reducing stocks.
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Slaughter
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have to vote for the Remington 870

Great sporting gun, fun for trap/skeet with all the barrels and chokes available.

ANY shotgun will require you put some rounds through it if you expect to use it in a situation where instinctive shooting may be required.

(edit) - looks like Bob posted as I was typing!

(Message edited by slaughter on May 03, 2008)
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Old_man
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 07:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a double barrel 12 gauge, (short barrels, exposed hammers,) Coach Gun.
Simplest gun for home defense.
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Swampy
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 07:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Remington 870 is really nice, Mossgerg 500 is a fine choice also.
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

once you decide what gun you are going to get, you might think about what kind of ammo you want.

I might suggest Double Oh Buck for the purpose you have in mind.
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Bombardier
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

'No experience but I will have a look at it for you'

How about you go to a shooting club.

Get some coaching which will include gun safety, markmanship principles and gun security.

Learn how to shoot their guns and then ask them what they suggest would be suited to your needs/abilities.

You would not expect anyone to go out and buy a MotoGP bike first with no riding skills so perhaps some real world skills may help you avoid any problems.

My 2 cents worth.

footnote - I have served in a military force for many years just and have experience in this area.
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Jackbequick
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Mossberg 500 with an 18-1/2" barrel and pistol grip is hard to beat for being light, quick and easy to handle inside a home, and generally pretty cheap.

Don't plan on using a light pistol grip shotgun like the 500 with anything except low brass Field Loads or Trap & Skeet loads.

Use of 2-3/4" Magnum, and especially 3" Magnum shells puts you at serious risk of wrist injury from the recoil.

And do all the things Bombardier says, that is good advice.

Jack
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M1combat
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Benelli.

I don't ascribe to the "They'll run when they hear me cycle the action." train of thought. If someone is in my house and shouldn't be I don't want them to ever hear another sound. Especially one coming from my general direction. The other issue is that if you miss with the first shot you need to cycle the action to load another round. I prefer to just pull the trigger again.
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Crusty
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I prefer the Mossberg 500. It is a noisy pump gun, but is utterly reliable.

+1
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P_squared
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 09:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

+1 on what Bombardier said.

Shoot as many as you can, buy the one that works the best for you & your situation.

My "favorite" home defense recipe:
-LOUD dog that barks at ANYTHING
-12 ga. Mossberg 500 with 7+1 of .00 buckshot

If I miss the 1st time & hit the dog, I'm STILL ahead!

The above last statement is a JOKE. No animals were hurt while making this statement. But I still don't like little "yap-yap" dogs.}
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Bcordb3
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I like the Mossberg Defender a lot.

I really like the Taurus 410/45 Revolver. Check out this website. There is an interesting video demonstrating this weapon.

http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details. cfm?id=199&category=Revolver
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Loki
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I currently have a pair of 500 Mossies in the house.

#1 is a Marinecote version with a Butler Creek side folder on it. A very versatile set-up.

#2 is THE tactical pre-response tool. All dressed in black. Has an A4 stock on it via a Mesa Tactical adapter and an AR grip. The near mandatory heat shield. Add a modified(lowered) TASCO optic mount holding a HOLO sight.


Mossie #2 has made a few of my buddies cringe when I have opened the case.
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Loki
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 10:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When I was living in Florida, I had a sign next to my front door.

Simply stated who my lawyers were.

"Smith, Wesson and Mossberg"
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Cyclonemduece
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i am about to get a benelli super nova.. it'll do the job
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Ceejay
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 10:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

benelli autos are nice but I found I could cycle an 870 faster...
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Slaughter
Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2008 - 12:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

00 for home defense is iffy if you are concerned about penetrating walls. If you live alone or don't have neighbors, then it'll do.

#4 birdshot for the first round... then MAYBE 00 if you need to penetrate the car door (if he's STILL trying to get away)

Most successful interior gun fights take place within 10-12 feet of distance between shooter and target/perpetrator. Shot won't spread more than maybe 6 inches out of a slug barrel in that close distance.
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Bigdaddy
Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2008 - 01:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mossberg shotguns are excellent for what they cost. You'll not mistake them for a Benelli or some of the high dollar units, but they work very well.

I'd really recommend that you find a range and do some hands-on and see what fits you best.

Home Defense Loads:

Federal Premium 12 Ga. 3" Magnum 10 Pel. #000 Lead Buckshot. You can also get the low-recoil version.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2008 - 02:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

All of the above +

Shotgun get's the nod.

An AR15 may be perfect for you, for home defense, & fun practice. And if you don't practice, don't do it. Buy a baseball bat.

A weapon you are not proficient in gets taken away & used on you.

For shotguns, rifles, pistols or battle axes, I massively urge training. No kidding. There are lots of places that have excellent training. Good advise & lots of rounds downrange are key.

For ammo selection...

http://www.theboxotruth.com/index.htm

( these guys have too much fun )

This field is full of myths. The truth of how fast a shotgun pattern spreads, how much it will go through, etc. are vital to proper use. It varies by choke, gauge, etc. but at close range the clump of shot is the size of your fist. You no kidding have to aim a shotgun, just like a rifle. That TV "rack the shotgun, scare the perp" just lets a bad guy know where you are. ETC.

For home, I'd say #4 buck, up through 00. Slugs go through houses, ( though they do work nice ) and stray slugs are too much an unintended risk to neighbors. Don't forget the 20 gauge, it's really enough power, in a more controllable pkg. IMHO
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Tx05xb12s
Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2008 - 02:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Winchester 1300 12ga, 18" barrel, double pistol grips, extended magazine, assault light kit, tactical sling, Tritium front sight.

The round stored in the chamber - 00 3" magnum.

1st round in magazine - 00 buck, 2nd round - 12 ga slug, 3rd round - 00 buck...you get the picture.

I live alone and don't worry about kids getting ahold of my weapon, so I like to store it in a golf bag within easy reach. This allows me to store in plain site, but goes undetected by a casual glance around the room. All I gotta do is snap the safety off. I don't advocate violence, but shame on the poor sap that tries to invade my home.
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Bigdaddy
Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2008 - 02:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

( these guys have too much fun )

The Box of Truth! My second favorite site to kill some time on : )
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2008 - 02:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I really don't like pistol grip only shotguns. It's harder to aim, and not as much fun to fire after a few. Downright unpleasant. YMMV

Pistol grip forends, & stocks with a pistol grip are fine. 12 gauge 870 with the Knoxx recoil reducing stock work fine. ( don't run a pistol grip forend with the Knoxx...trust me )

I like & have owned Winchester 1300's. The Speed Pump. I had a nice "lady defender" high cap 20 gauge that I sold to a buddy in the "inner city", for home defense. Sweet, fast handling, and very rapid fire.
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M1combat
Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2008 - 04:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oh don't get me wrong : ), Mossbergs are great shotguns IMO.


"benelli autos are nice but I found I could cycle an 870 faster..."

So you can cycle a pump shotgun more than five to eight times a second? Maybe you're saying you can cycle an 870 faster than a Benelli pump (like the Nova)? Cycling a pump faster than the fastest semi auto in the world seems strange... I mean... All you have to do is pull the trigger with a semi auto and I've never been able to outrun the rifle with MY finger (I've tried).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcpB2l-ljnc

I'm not saying your average Joe could do that even with a Benelli, but I don't see how a pump can be anything even like remotely close to the speed of a semi auto...

Maybe I misunderstood you : ).
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Cowboy
Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2008 - 08:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

speed is not the only thing to concider. I have been a serious dove hunter for more than 50 yrs. I have hunted with all kinds of shot guns -doubles-simi autos- bolts and pumps I favor a Itcha model 37 (pump) mine was is aproching 50 yr. I have have always been able to bag more birds with it than any I have used . (just a matter of choise and practice)
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2008 - 08:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

benelli autos are nice but I found I could cycle an 870 faster...

The "waterhead" statement of the day
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2008 - 09:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)



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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2008 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

To be fair...
There is no way that the mechanical CYCLE TIME of a pump can equal an auto.

AIMED fire, the human action of a pump, can make it so that for some people, it's faster, on target.

Not for me though, I'm easily twice as fast, ON TARGET, with an auto.

Brand doesn't matter, until you get to expert competition shooters. There are fraction of a second differences then.

Fastest pumps? Bennelli Nova & Winchester Speed pump. ( about the same )

Fastest Auto's? Winchester SX2,3/Browning Gold ( tie, same internals except for speed feed on the Browning ) Bennelli, Remington. In that order. ( less than .1 second difference )

Big deal. If you are filling the hallways with lead, without aiming, you are an idiot. If you are shooting without judging the NEED to shoot ( is the threat still ongoing? ) between shots, ( or double taps, etc. ) you are a fool.

What fit's YOU, and which safety aspects suit your needs, quirks is most important.

A double barrel shotgun is in many ways the safest & easiest. You will note that no military or Police I know of still use them. Top of the line a century ago.
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Old_man
Posted on Sunday, May 04, 2008 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A double barrel shotgun is in many ways the safest & easiest
This is why I recommend this for home protection.
It should be all that is needed in most circumstances.
With short barrels you can handle it inside the confines of a house.
There is nothing complicated or confusing about it. - My wife could pick it up and use it effectively.
One barrel, bird shot, the other "0" buck.
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