| Author | Message | ||
     Chevycummins |
Back to the dealer again for a check engine. The service manager and the tech are very helpful and I am happy with them. Buell seems to be their problem with getting it fixed. My sales person came out when he saw me pull up and started in on me about how I'm screwing up the bike and there is nothing wrong with it. He kept harping on me and was very rude and unprofessional. The bike has 47miles on it now. He acted like he knew everything and I was causing all these problems. Then he said that I'm lucky they don't void my warranty and refuse to work on it. He also said I should just put diesel fuel in it and screw up everything. I have a very strong mechanical background, I have over 20 ASE certifications and know more about this stuff than most. I have a feeling that he saw my posts and that is why he was such a jerk to me. So Mike if you see this bite me! | ||
| Bearly |
Hey guys, I took mine apart yesterday to install my tape and disconnect the throttle servo. I noticed in three different places I had fuel just sitting in the corners. The little filter that comes up the back was very wet. I wiped it up when I should have taken pictures. Anyone else notice the fuel just sitting in there? | ||
| Krassh |
Did not notice any Fuel sitting but when I took everything apart to disconnect the throttle servo I noticed that tube with the white filter and it was soaked with fuel. Never seen a breather tube like that, which I am assuming it is. | ||
| Pxl2562 |
hey, a note on the heat tape and heat shields. the first time i smelt the excessive fuel fumes, i planned on covering the inside of the frame with HVAC aluminum foil tape. i don't know if the adhesive will hold up quite as well, but it is certainly cheap enough to try. also, painting the header heat shields black may pass more heat to your leg, as a black surface emits thermal radiation as readily as it absorbs it. so the heat that does pass to the shield will transmit to your leg easier instead of being cooled by air convection. just a suggestion... | ||
| Chevycummins |
Insulated my exhaust pipe this weekend.   | ||
| Exnorton |
I started noticing it today in earnest both side of the gas thank {after a short 20 mile ride} where hot to the touch. almost to the point of a recoil response. I spoke with a dealer here and he said something to the effect of a recall for the heated fuel issue but it was a salesman and not someone from the service department. Seems like the more gas in the tank the worse the gas fumes are. I removed the gas cap while it was still hot and there was gas condensation on the bottom of the filer cap. I wonder if everyones gas tank get as hot on both sides? Serious issue flame shooting out the sides is a figure of speech not to be taken literally. But hey it hasn't been for it's first service yet but I will sure have a thing or two to bring up with them when I do show up. But she causes me less grief that my ex's so what the hey | ||
| Court |
>>>Buell seems to be their problem with getting it fixed. That's inaccurate. The folks at Buell are ready, eager, willing to help and truly value and appreciate the trust and confidence you have placed in them. You have bought a top quality motorcycle, you deserve to be treated like a valued customer. If this guy continues to be a problem, please drop me a note and I will solve it pronto. Buell dealers should subscribe to the BUELL VALUES. If they are not, you are being denied the best part of the Buell experience. I can solve this. Court | ||
| Slypiranna |
+1 Court! Perfectly Worded! | ||
| Brad1445 |
Damn, you write with game. I wish you worked in my marketing department. | ||
| Unibear12r |
Everybody needs to be very diligent in communicating with Buell any of their bike problems. Even the things like excessive fuel fume events or common trouble codes. Some of the people here are beginning to sound like they are ready to just blow all these things off or just fix things themselves with hit or miss methods. That would be a mistake (at this time anyway). Make sure Buell has the info it needs to see and work out the problems. And have some patience. And always, always use two hands and caution when removing the fuel cap from an 1125. The 1125 has the potential to be a great motorcycle. | ||
| Bearly |
Chevycummins: How in the world did you did that? You must have really long fingers! Great Pictures thanks. | ||
| Court |
>>>ake sure Buell has the info it needs to see and work out the problems. That's ABSOLUTELY correct. Buell has excellent people but they need to have the data. You dealer is your FIRST point of contact. That being said, there are still many problems in the dealer arena. If you are not being taken care of and your problems persist. CALL BUELL CUSTOMER SERVICE. Things like this can be taken care of fast . . . but it works best when there is a process in place. Court >>>Damn, you write with game. I wish you worked in my marketing department. Thanks . . the Commanding General of the United States Marine Corps (1974-1976) (NOTE: I was NOT deployed) and The White House Advance Team (1983-1985) seemed to think so too.  | ||
| Chevycummins |
Bearly: I'll give you a hint. It really sucks to pull the engine on this bike! Just called buell again about the latest problem with the O2 sensor. For anybody that is wondering this is probably getting close to the 8th time I have called them between the hot fuel problem and other stuff. I have given them lots of information and details about the problems I'm having. Someone who is reading the posts PMed me and is talking to the right people for me. It sounds promising and hopefully this will prompt Buell to investigate. | ||
| Bueller_bjorn |
My fuel has been boiling as well and i told the dealer about it when i dropped it off for service but nothing was fixed with the fuel problem so i just ordered heat tape and header wrap and see if i can fix it myself. If its boiling in 60 degree weather i can't imagine when its gets in the 90s in the summer time. but its seems to start boiling after it sits and the heat travels to the frame. i wonder what made the big change from my XB12r it never had this problem but the frame would get warm at times. | ||
| Zac4mac |
I was just down in Texas a couple of weeks ago, one day was 91˚, no boiling fuel. Legs started to get warm so I filled the tank and all was good again. I also was NOT in slow traffic, but was able to keep 30-45 mph and hiway speeds. I have heard mine boiling once, cool day at home(Colorado) and a nearly empty tank. I try to not put her away with a nearly empty tank. On a hot day, only fill to an inch to half-inch from the lower fill ring unless you're on a 30+ mile ride. The gas can expand and come out the vent and onto the muffler. Zack | ||
| Court |
I'd seriously doubt that heat has much to do with it. . . . look at the variables in van der Waals Equation and decide for yourself. That V2 thing gets ya . . . . | ||
| Bobup |
Court until you have actually ridden an 1125R and felt the heat...you can come out here and ride mine and feel the heat for your self | ||
| Chevycummins |
I checked the temp off the rear exhaust manifold in the confined space of the frame/fuel tank. The temp at idle on my bike was between 600 and 700 degrees! If you put your hand anywhere near that area it would burn you with the radiant heat. After I wrapped the pipe the temp at idle was 200 to 300 degrees and there was very little radiant heat from it. My fuel does not boil anymore. It is a heat problem from the rear exhaust manifold. | ||
| Chevycummins |
I guess another thing we could all do if we want to ride these bikes without the gas boiling is....wait for the sun to burn out then the earth would be -735degrees and we could ride our bikes! ha ha | ||
| Bueller_bjorn |
Wow 600-700 should be enough to boil especially on a quarter or half tank as long as my wrap and tape is on my door step which should be according to UPS.com (at work now) i will be wrapping and taping tonight and will post my results. which i hope will be the final solution for me. | ||
| Bobup |
me thinks I will borrow my shop inferred thermometer today.... | ||
| Unibear12r |
There was a reason why I said use two hands on the gas cap. It was 94 here last Sunday and I went for a ride and just thought I'd take a look in the tank at the end of the ride. No boiling sounds and the tank wasn't that hot I thought. It was far more like trying to pop the top on a boiling radiator than a fuel tank. And it seemed to take forever before the pressure was safely low enough to remove the cap. Lots of VERY hot fuel droplets in the gushing hot fumes. It felt like the drops could have gone well over my head if I had not been using the cap to modulate the pressure. I had filled up the week before and had a great (but short 30 mile) ride both the weekend before and on Sunday. So it should have been at around half a tank when it happened. So this can happen without overfilling your tank on a Cali bike. Also the tank vent, hose and canister has been checked by my dealer in the past. I have pulled the hose from the canister to the vent and blown through it with the cap off and it is free and clear. Both before and after the incident. The only clue might have been the check engine code that lit up just a minute before. It was the F-R SYS ERR one. My GUESS is it was from a boatload of hot fuel vapor being fed into the intake that the canister is ported to. Bike ran great though. Ran great on the 100 mile ride to the dealer on Tuesday too. Bummer, I just realized that half the 800 miles on the bike is just riding to and from the dealer. | ||
| Exnorton |
Boiling point of gasoline 100 - 400 degrees depending on additives. Vaporized gas in combustion chamber good idea. Between my legs in a metal casing, bad idea. scary stuff if you ask me. Need a flak vest and helmet and a fire suit to boot. Sounds like someone drinking hot McDonald coffee in a Ford Pinto in Iraq How could they not catch that in preproduction? | ||
| Dtx |
me thinks I will borrow my shop inferred thermometer today.... Already tried this a few pages back. Check it out. My temp reading were no where near as high as chevycummins. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=290431&post=1104501#POST1104501 (Message edited by dtx on April 17, 2008) | ||
| Alans |
Gee. It's starting to sound like avoiding overfilling the fuel tank won't guarantee the gas cap won't 'blow' when it's removed. (Message edited by alans on April 17, 2008) | ||
| C4bird |
Rode home from work, some stop and go traffic, bike temp in the mid 170's, gas was boiling like crazy when it got home(15 mile ride, 70 degrees outside). Gas was boiling enough, there was an audible hissing sound coming from the vent tube and liquid would form if you held your hand in front of the tube (pretty scary as it dumps right on top of the muffler). 67 miles on this tank, visual check after cool down confirmed about half full tank. Had the gas boil several times previously (outside temp from 40-70). I will definately be doing the heat reflective tape, and maybe some wrap on that rear header. Talked to the dealer, they said to keep an eye on it and will let me know if anything comes through as far as updates. They said to bring it by if it worries me. I think in this case, I'd feel more comfortable knowing I put on the reflective myself, call me crazy, but that just makes sense to me. | ||
| Bobup |
took some readings while on the way home 1st time was after crossing through town about 6-8 miles of stop n go and 30-40 mph sections 2nd time after a non-stop 10 mile spirited canyon run avg at 50-55 mph 3rd time was at home another 3-4 miles of stop n go displayed temps were about 190-195 ambient was reading at about 80 (actual was maybe 70) all 3 times the temps were pretty close to the same -air box cover was at 85-90 -lower portion of tank/frame was at 120 -cylinders were at 200-210 -rear pipe shield was at 170 -both pipes were at 270 -muffler was 300+ -no boiling -full tank at start of run and with over 1K miles this thing is just WICKED amazing power from 2500 on up...lovin every minute of it! | ||
| Chevycummins |
I've got a question, does the rear pipe on your bike start to glow orange if it idles for a few min after it has been warmed up? My temp reading was of the pipe where it comes out of the head and it was glowing orange slightly. | ||
| Spectrum |
Supposedly all material (glass, ceramics steel etc) start to glow at about the same temperature (law of physics). However of note the ability to transmit light varies greatly by material. The color varies by alloy, but iron or steel starts to glow red at somewhere above 900 °F (480 °C). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-short Correction: evidently a very faint glow with carbon steel can start as low as 400 °F. http://www.marshallarts.co.za/temptable.htm (Message edited by spectrum on April 18, 2008) | ||
| Davegess |
yoou all need to get those bikes and all this data to your dealer. If they don't seem to pick up the ball call Buell Customer Service. Post all this info here is nice BUT it is not helping cure the problem. Heat tape is not a cure, just a fix. |
