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Crashcourse411
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 10:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Has anybody looked into adding these "invention/scam" to your cages or bikes??

I have read threads on water injection and such, but I could not find any info here on adding hydrogen to get better gas mileage. They claim 20-50% increase in mileage, but want $100 for the book to make the "kit" to install on any gas/diesel engine.

Is this a scam??

...and no I do not believe in that "Tornado" gimmick.

http://www.run-your-car-on-water.co.za/

This link is only to look at for an ice breaker, there are many more out there with the same idea just different price.


Let the arguing begin...
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 10:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have some ocean front property in Nevada to sell as well.
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Rah7777777
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 11:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

veggy oil in a diesel = true.
water in a gasser = false.

I have not dealt with one first hand, but looking into it, I laughed!

how much do you want for that Nevada property? come with a boat dock?
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Teddagreek
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 11:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Discovery Channel... Mythbusters did it..


It actually did make hydrogen but it would be enough to run a car no way..


I saw these kits and plans show up on the net in 96...



I've always been interested in the mythical vapor carburetor..


There is no such thing as a free lunch..
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Teddagreek
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 11:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Interesting Read while where on the subject



[quote="Hughes"]

quote:

Hybrids, meet your rival -- it gets 376.59 mpg
By MIKE LEWIS
P-I REPORTER

Finally something to wipe the smug off you hybrid owners, you high-mileage acolytes, you global-cooling zealots who wash your Priuses (Prii?) with graywater while wearing reclaimed plastic fleece and hemp undies.

Don't choke on your organic soy-double-decaf-fair-trade-carbon-neutral macchiato, but how does 376.59 miles per gallon sound? Makes your Honda Civic hybrid look Hummeresque, doesn't it?

That number doesn't come from some manta ray-shaped, wind tunnel-vetted carbon fiber space car. No, it's from a chop-top, steel-frame 1959 Opel T-1 (think melting jelly bean, but uglier). And the record was set in 1973 in a contest sponsored by Shell Oil Co.



Evan McMullen of Bellevue recently rediscovered the souped-down 1959 Opel T-1 that achieved 376.59 miles per gallonin a 1973 contest. (Photo by Cosmopolitan Motors)



Yes, that Shell Oil, better known now as Royal Dutch Shell.
Evan McMullen, owner of Seattle-based Cosmopolitan Motors, rediscovered the Guinness world-record-setting but forgotten car in Florida.

The buzz of the automotive engineering circles in the early 1970s and winner of the Wood River Competition for the planet's top mileage car, the little Opel had been bought by the France family, owners of NASCAR, and gifted to the museum at Talladega raceway.

And there it sat, mostly in anonymity, until McMullen, 45, heard about it and made his move. He now owns the car and hopes to sell it, maybe to a technological museum at an auction in September in Indiana.

He has a few questions about the car, about its worth mainly, but the provenance seems genuine. Guinness listed it in its 1975 record book. Technological journals from the era waxed about the Opel's simple but effective modifications and engineering.

But McMullen's biggest question is why? Why didn't this technology find its way into the mainstream? Why did the car sit unremarked, unremembered for so long?



The team that built the top mileage car in 1973 narrowed the Opel's rear axle and used super-hard low-friction tires and a chain drive to save weight. (Photo by Cosmopolitan Motors)

"If this is something they could do back in the 1970s, what happened?" he asked, poring over paperwork, including patents, for the car.

"Certainly in 34 years we could do something to make this work."

Especially with gas climbing and then bivouacking above $3 a gallon. Especially when its relatively ancient technology bettered the best hybrid mileage by a 6-1 ratio.

To be sure, the Opel isn't much on looks, luxury or performance. The team that built it stripped the interior of everything but a seat, chopped the top to lower its wind resistance. They narrowed the rear axle, used super-hard low-friction tires and a chain drive to save weight.



To achieve 376.59 miles per gallon, the Opel's interior was stripped of everything but a seat, and the top was chopped to lower its wind resistance. (Photo by Cosmopolitan Motors)


The mileage from the mostly stock four-cylinder came from heating and insulating the fuel line so the gas entered the engine as lean vapor. Then they drove the car on a closed course at a steady 30 mph.

So some of that wouldn't work in the street, McMullen concedes. But if the car were made more drivable and lost 200 mpg -- it still would get 176 mpg.

"Here's a car that was 20 years old at the time of the contest that was the project of a couple of guys in a garage," he said. "You can't tell me we can't do better than this with cars today."

So McMullen wants to see who wants the car.

And he hopes there's something to be learned about the future while looking at the past, in an era when even the oil companies sometimes responded to OPEC fuel crises by promoting conservation.

"They tell us hybrids are the answer," he said. "I think the answer, at least part of it, is right here."




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Xcephasx
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 01:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

lol. look on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Hydrogen-Oxygen-Gen erator-32-oz-30-DAY-MONEY-BACK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQc ategoryZ42604QQihZ007QQitemZ170209961409QQrdZ1QQss pagenameZWDVW
my 80 bucks is in the mail!
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 07:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

salt water can be used as fuel. this guy got a ton of press after his accidental discovery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf4gOS8aoFk
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Sgthigg
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 08:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Here is a hydrogen engine in the Mazda plant down the road in hiroshima.










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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 09:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If you search there are a number of people/companys making home brewed hydrogen generators to add to your current gasoline engine. The claims are a bit outrageous but the engineering and chemistry involved is a fun read. Not sure if it will work or not.
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No_rice
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i have a friend in the process of making a hydrogen set up for his saturn. he about blew him self up once already trying to see if it actually worked, lol
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Swampy
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 10:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I worked for a GM engineer that told me about his father in post war Spain that used to run his car on hydrogen, they called it "Watergas" Basicly they had a small fire built in the trunk and they dropped water on the fire and piped the hydrogen to the carb.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 10:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Back in the War years, WW1 & 2, many cars were converted to run on gas from burning wood. Some Motorcycles too, with a burner replacing the sidecar.

I believe in the laws of thermodynamics. I don't believe in the Easter Bunny. ( sorry kids )

You show me it working, I'll try & figure out where the trick is. My first thought is, your car will love running on Brown's gas, no doubt. My second is, it takes more energy to produce than you get out, so alternator drag must increase. I'm not even skeptical about it.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 01:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Swampy,

Heating water produces hydrogen? : ?
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Crusty
Posted on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 05:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Um; don't Firemen use water to put out fires?
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 06:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

water powered vehicles, what a novel idea. maybe someone has seen these before.
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Swampy
Posted on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake,


I DON"T KNOW!!!!!



I'm a dumb ass like the rest of them!

They could have been smoking weed in the trunk for all I know


LMAO
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Cudajohn
Posted on Thursday, April 17, 2008 - 03:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You ever smoked weed in the trunk of a car? I won't get into that story but it is real easy to get cramps if there's two or three of you!
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